Is it? As far as I'm aware ther has never been an official statement that the new deck will ever be in the old core set. It's only an assumption. I will stand correted on this though, if someone has proof.

It would only seem logical, I assume they're not releasing the wrong Daredevil or Cloak/Decloak cards anymore?

I was a critic of FFG for requiring the new damage deck for tournaments.

My problem was not the requirement of the damage deck, it was the way they packaged that deck in a new core set, requiring everyone to buy a whole new set, whether they wanted the ships or not. I bought the new core set, I was always going to. But just because it didn't affect me doesn't mean it wasn't a poor decision.

I know third parties sell the damage deck separately, but I don't care. It shouldn't be up to a third party to do something that it's cheaper and easier for FFG to do.

So, the use any deck annoucement? I'm indifferent, I don't think it's a good decision, but it's not terrible. It's just a whole lot of bland.

What bothers me is that an otherwise good company seems to be trying very hard to avoid the simplest and easiest solution to this 'issue'.

Just sell the bloody damage deck.

What bothers me is that an otherwise good company seems to be trying very hard to avoid the simplest and easiest solution to this 'issue'.

Just sell the bloody damage deck.

That still doesn't solve the problem of someone buying (or getting for Christmas) a core set and a few expansions and joining in a tournament at his local gamestore.

You might as well suggest they recall all the unsold SWX01's out there and repackaging the ships to be included with the regular expansion packs, having the new core set the only one available.

As long as you sell two core sets with different damage decks you'd keep running into this and just a few months isn't enough penetration time.

What? No.

You package the new damage deck in the old core set going forward.

You send the new damage deck to all retailers to be included with all their old core sets that still contain the old damage deck. Free of charge or at a small fee. Doesn't matter, cost of the deck is small, cost of shipping would be the greater part of that.

You offer the new damage deck as a separate product so customers can purchase the new damage deck on it's own.

Why would you recall? The cost of that is astronomical compared to just giving a new damage deck away with every old core set.

Even better, I like it.

Why is this such an issue?

Do all you new damage deck only proponents (NDDOPs) oppose a super dash or quad accuracy corrector list player drafting 3 debris fields that they can ignore? Or turret players drafting a bunch of huge asteroids that they can orbit around?

No, you guys don't. And being able to play 3 debris fields with Super Dash is much more game altering than picking the old damage deck for your 8x academy pilot list and getting a dead draw or two.

Why does it even matter? So generics benefit a little from the old damage deck, that's not a bad thing. It's not like you hyper ship players don't autokill 1-2 TIEs a turn anyways.

sigh

From a rules perspective, the new deck is much, much cleaner.

What does that even mean?

I don't think we need a petition for requiring the new damage deck....we need a petition to sell the new damage deck as an individual item seperate from the new core set.

I don't think we need a petition for requiring the new damage deck....we need a petition to sell the new damage deck as an individual item seperate from the new core set.

Well, both really. Otherwise players would still use the unbalanced old deck which is still the real issue for some of us.

I don't think we need a petition for requiring the new damage deck....we need a petition to sell the new damage deck as an individual item seperate from the new core set.

Well, both really. Otherwise players would still use the unbalanced old deck which is still the real issue for some of us.

I don't think we need a petition for requiring the new damage deck....we need a petition to sell the new damage deck as an individual item seperate from the new core set.

Well, both really. Otherwise players would still use the unbalanced old deck which is still the real issue for some of us.

Haha, old deck unbalanced. depends on your list really. The new deck is even more unbalanced than the old.

Given how cheap the deck would be to print, they could have just offered to send stores the required number of decks to match their stocked core sets, to be handed out as a 'freebie' when somebody bought the old starter.

That way, people would get the new deck and FFG could focus on replacing the deck for new print runs.

Within 6-12 months, the old deck would be gone but nobody would be without a new one.

EDIT:

How is the new deck unbalanced? Every crit will effect every ship. It's much more consistent in its application of the damage crits cause to ships then the old deck.

Having the choice is great

Thankyou FFG

I hate petitions.

I prefer this side of this argument.

There are plenty who do play competitively and feel the same way, there's nothing wrong with me lending them support.

Stop thinking of the minority and consider everyone who plays.

Nothing prevented casual gamers from arranging a house rule between them to choose what deck to use.

Your campaign was not needed for that, instead it **** the people who play tournaments over by creating an imbalance in the damage decks.

I don't think a petition will get anywhere. What I would strongly recommend instead is getting in touch with FFG's Organized Play group directly. They can be found at [email protected], or on Facebook .

If you decide to reach out, be polite. Explain that you're an X-wing tournament player, and that you're disappointed in the ruling. Briefly-- briefly --explain why you think it's a detriment to the game. Don't be rude or offensive, and keep it to a few readable sentences rather than an essay.

This deserves a thread of its own to make it visible.

I just send amail with this wording. Hope it is concidered polite enough

Hi

I am writing to you in regards to your new decision to let players decide what damage deck to use in competetive tournamnnet play.

I really hope you will reconcider that stance and once again enforce the new damage deck for competetive play.

I could give you a long list of my own arguments but Alex Davy himself made the point much better, than I could, when he was on the Scum and Villany podcast:

http://www.podcastgarden.com/login/audio-7/7799/Episode18AlexDavy_final.mp3

Paraphrasing he said that the idea was to create an even and balanced damagedeck. One that that would make it relevant for all ships to get a critical hit and make it more or less equally relevant no matter what squad you fly with. People should fear a critical hit no matter if they are rookie or named pilots and whether they have a secondary weaponupgrade or not.

What happend that made you throw that reasoning out the window? and could you please rethink it and revert to your original descicion. stick to your guns, it was the right call to make and nothing prevents people from using their old damage deck in casual play.

Also, Blinded pilot, the same card in both decks, has different effects wich is really a mess.

Best regards

Poul Holmelund

Don't worry the new deck would be a requirement. It just might be in 2017 instead of 2015.

That being said my prediction is that Premier events such as regionals, and nationals along with worlds will require the new decks. Because those are a requirement they will likely be handed out to every participant.

So with that move it will give competitive players an opportunity to get a new damage deck without having to get a new core set. I predict in 2017 they will make an announcement that the old deck is phasing out, but by then the TFA core set would have been out for 16 months and there would have been numerous tournaments that gave out new damage decks that may find their way onto E-bay. So yeah 2017 the new damage deck would be a requirement.

Is it? As far as I'm aware ther has never been an official statement that the new deck will ever be in the old core set. It's only an assumption. I will stand correted on this though, if someone has proof.

It would only seem logical, I assume they're not releasing the wrong Daredevil or Cloak/Decloak cards anymore?

At some level it must be for them .

I dare say, this is mostly an economical decision as they are sitting on too many old core sets.

None of us know anything about the cost to re-tool the old core set production, etc, so to save future customers being peeved they've backed down on this for the "forseeable future".

This is a horrible decision and utterly defeats the point of a new deck.

The point of the new deck was for crits to matter, always. Now, by being able to PICK deck, we've made crits matter less than ever before! Hooray! Why not just remove the mechanic from the game completely?

The worst thing is that the lead designer was on a podcast telling the excact reason for a new deck, was that the old one was not balanced.

Exactly.

Which just makes FFG look like liars. Which is why it's an annoying thing to have done.

If the two decks had always been the plan, then fine. No worries, pick you deck and take your chances.

But ffg saying "you need to buy this because its better and will be needed (for competition)" and then going "lol! Psyche!"

Just reminds me to much of a certain GW, and that is a very unfortunate comparison.

I don't think a petition will get anywhere. What I would strongly recommend instead is getting in touch with FFG's Organized Play group directly. They can be found at [email protected], or on Facebook .

If you decide to reach out, be polite. Explain that you're an X-wing tournament player, and that you're disappointed in the ruling. Briefly-- briefly --explain why you think it's a detriment to the game. Don't be rude or offensive, and keep it to a few readable sentences rather than an essay.

This ^

Go to FFG Organized play on facebook ( https://www.facebook.com/ffgorganizedplay/ ) and reply to their post about this.

There are plenty who do play competitively and feel the same way, there's nothing wrong with me lending them support.

It's no different than when I supported people that objected to only being able to use faction specific dials.

What effects the small minority that play competitively does effect casual players, the phantom change for example.

Stop thinking of the minority and consider everyone who plays.

But the dials argument does not apply here at all! Yes FFG were wrong to insist you had the right coloured dial for your faction, because the movements on those dials were identical. The damage decks are not identical, they are very different.

A ruling insisting that tournaments need the new deck does not effect casual play at all, however allowing competitive players to choose their own damage deck is pretty big.

It's less big than being allowed to choose your own obstacles yet no one cares about that.

There are plenty who do play competitively and feel the same way, there's nothing wrong with me lending them support.

It's no different than when I supported people that objected to only being able to use faction specific dials.

What effects the small minority that play competitively does effect casual players, the phantom change for example.

Stop thinking of the minority and consider everyone who plays.

But the dials argument does not apply here at all! Yes FFG were wrong to insist you had the right coloured dial for your faction, because the movements on those dials were identical. The damage decks are not identical, they are very different.

A ruling insisting that tournaments need the new deck does not effect casual play at all, however allowing competitive players to choose their own damage deck is pretty big.

It was wrong to put a mandatory game piece in a new product when you can still buy the old one, several people complained because they'd just started had got the original core and now had to spend even more on the new core one person even said it was putting his friends off from continuing with x-wing.

Again had it been sold separately there would be no issue.

Forcing people to buy the core just for a small stack of cards is unreasonable to quite a few people obviously or ffg would not have reversed course.

Think of all the scum only players who get zero value for money out of the new core.

This was a GW style move they never should of tried it was obvious this would cause a storm.

This isn't a new edition so the new core should not be a necessary purchase for everyone.