FFG has been fine towards armada. it jumped to one of the top 5 selling miniature games according to distributor orders in less than a year. Models are easier to produce than rules. The models also take longer due to painting, but you can design the physical product and get it printing while you work on game balance and such since cards have less of a lead time. If you think FFG has failed id hate to see what you think about some of the other game companies out their.

I'm sure that those sales have nothing to do with an exclusive licencing option...

it totally does. if the game was hot garbage it wouldnt be anywhere near that. The wizards of the coast/hasbro star wars minis games were never as popular with miniature gamers as armada/x-wing and were essentially add ons for the RPG.

Sales isnt everything. If you are miffed about this, go talk to your local warmachine players about releases who's rules were released in a book 2 years ago and the model still doesn't exist.

You end up having the other spectrum of 0 articles and previews or new swag until the stuff hits your shelf a week later. Look at how Games Workshop does it now. new releases are in a weekly white dwarf and the next Saturday you can buy them. Both have their ups and downs but one favors the company way more than the consumer.

Just as a side note, I have stopped playing, I think I've played one game in 3 months, its boring at this point. I just visit now to see if it's finally been released and to vent at FFG for its atrocious treatment of its consumers.

Oh, so you're a form of righteous troll?

Just as a side note, I have stopped playing, I think I've played one game in 3 months, its boring at this point. I just visit now to see if it's finally been released and to vent at FFG for its atrocious treatment of its consumers.

Oh, so you're a form of righteous troll?

Given that FFG went ahead and released the frigates and corvettes looking like they did, I doubt they care much for the paintjobs at this point.

Benefit of the doubt, WERE that the case, they needed to be transparent about that. It's not hard, show a picture, with a caption "the product did not meet our standard, delays will occur we apologize and appreciate your patience." Or just something, at least that's something, they gave us nothing...

As for Massing at Sullest. I was not free that weekend (Murphy's law,) and even if I were, the 4 places I knew of that carried Armada had no clue what this event was (so they must not have done much notifying.) My friend eventually found out about 3 in the bay area, I have no clue how many total there were but 2 were 45+ minutes away. However, if I understand right, this was a US exclusive, what about other regions, do they not matter?

Conclusion: FFG has failed Armada up to this point.

Just as a side note, I have stopped playing, I think I've played one game in 3 months, its boring at this point. I just visit now to see if it's finally been released and to vent at FFG for its atrocious treatment of its consumers.

So. . . let me get this straight. . . It is FFG's fault that your stores did not check the FFG home page for the event (this is what the stores in my area did and behold, 5 events)

Canada also had events I believe. This is thanks to Lions doing their job right.

So you only had a single game in 3 months? Whose fault is that though? In my area Armada did not have a league near me so I made one. A guy I know wanted to get into the game but was unable so I bought him a core set as a birthday and Christmas present.

If you are having issues, why don't you instead of complaining about them, find a way to fix them. That is how things works.

A peeved consumer deserves to be peeved if the company has failed their community. GW has failed WHFB and WH40k players. FFG has not failed Armada

I don't agree 100%, but any updates from FFG would be nice. And the fact they didn't bother to release a massive list of Sullust tournaments was a bit lame IMO.

But if you have stores in your area, and you don't inform them about events, they won't catch everything. Hell, the one store tried to get a Sullust kit here, but since they just opened a week before the cutoff, they didn't get it. But I promise you that I let them know about the winter kit and the Store Championship kits. It's a small community here for Armada, but I'll be damned if they won't at least try to grow, as long as you have a few interested parties.

Conclusion: FFG has failed Armada up to this point.

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If you are having issues, why don't you instead of complaining about them, find a way to fix them. That is how things works.

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Yeah, that's where I'm on this thing. Stores have a lot of communities that they can cater to. MtG is going to be their reliable cash cow. Other games need to convince them that they're worth the time and energy. They're only going to really facilitate Armada if they think there's a demand for Armada.

Sure, some stores are more pro-active than others. Our pro-active stores knew autonomously about Sullust. Our less-pro-active stores knew within minutes of the announcement, because Lyraeus and I got on the horn with them and e-bombed their inboxes.

So. . . let me get this straight. . . It is FFG's fault that your stores did not check the FFG home page for the event (this is what the stores in my area did and behold, 5 events)

Canada also had events I believe. This is thanks to Lions doing their job right.

So you only had a single game in 3 months? Whose fault is that though? In my area Armada did not have a league near me so I made one. A guy I know wanted to get into the game but was unable so I bought him a core set as a birthday and Christmas present.

If you are having issues, why don't you instead of complaining about them, find a way to fix them. That is how things works.

A peeved consumer deserves to be peeved if the company has failed their community. GW has failed WHFB and WH40k players. FFG has not failed Armada

Well I'm glad you can afford to buy someone a set, not sure what that has to do with anything I said. My issue is, they have failed three out if three (3 for 3) release dates, that's a 0 for 3 record. And what have they done? Blame someone discreetly! They had massing at sullest, a regional apology that was poorly advertised (or perhaps failed to meet the interests of gamers, therefore not worth the investment.)

Local interest has been decimated, and apparently not just around me. I'm sure it will pick up when new sets are released, but I guess being the only game in town has its advantages!

Am I asking for free stuff? No. Am I asking that they hand deliver the models I want? No. I'm asking for the company to just ACKNOWLEDGE the issue publicly... A direct acknowledgement, not massing at sullest (in my opinion a failed tournament as it was regional exclusive,) but an acknowledgement of the errors/delays..

The supposition that late release of products kills a game is not necessarily true though. X-Wing seems to also be late all the time, but it's manifestly successful.

The supposition that late release of products kills a game is not necessarily true though. X-Wing seems to also be late all the time, but it's manifestly successful.

Late? I know they run out of stock for weeks at a time, but when have they been late?

Why does another wave of models boost interest in the hobby? Wouldn't that just make the initial investment for a new starter more daunting?

Increased diversity. Or at least that's why my friends won't play it.

So. . . let me get this straight. . . It is FFG's fault that your stores did not check the FFG home page for the event (this is what the stores in my area did and behold, 5 events)

Canada also had events I believe. This is thanks to Lions doing their job right.

So you only had a single game in 3 months? Whose fault is that though? In my area Armada did not have a league near me so I made one. A guy I know wanted to get into the game but was unable so I bought him a core set as a birthday and Christmas present.

If you are having issues, why don't you instead of complaining about them, find a way to fix them. That is how things works.

A peeved consumer deserves to be peeved if the company has failed their community. GW has failed WHFB and WH40k players. FFG has not failed Armada

Well I'm glad you can afford to buy someone a set, not sure what that has to do with anything I said. My issue is, they have failed three out if three (3 for 3) release dates, that's a 0 for 3 record. And what have they done? Blame someone discreetly! They had massing at sullest, a regional apology that was poorly advertised (or perhaps failed to meet the interests of gamers, therefore not worth the investment.)

Local interest has been decimated, and apparently not just around me. I'm sure it will pick up when new sets are released, but I guess being the only game in town has its advantages!

Am I asking for free stuff? No. Am I asking that they hand deliver the models I want? No. I'm asking for the company to just ACKNOWLEDGE the issue publicly... A direct acknowledgement, not massing at sullest (in my opinion a failed tournament as it was regional exclusive,) but an acknowledgement of the errors/delays..

So let's list a few and you can take your pick.

1) Released late because they wanted to extend the time between waves because people were were stating on the forums that money would be an issue. (sounds thin but it is actually smart of them to do this)

2) they wanted to maintain the balance of the game and thus chose to hold back to do so.

3) they never gave us a "firm" release date.

4) Disney said they had to wait. (with the Raider involved this is highly likely)

This is not Star Citizens, you are not a share holder, they are not beholden to us to tell us why. Would it be nice? Yes. Would it change anything? Ultimately, no.

I brought up my purchase for my friend because it is me building my community in some way shape or form. He excitement has gotten his brother interested, a friend interested, and many more whom I have demoed games with.

How big do you thing FFG is? They are not GW big. I doubt they are Privateer Press big. They are an American company who is a contractor for most of these licenses. Some they own, some they are allowed to work on at the behest of the license owner.

Once again. We are not share holders. They don't have to explain anything to us.

It does not help that the company is managed by older style of thinkers where explaining why something occurs is a sign of weakness.

Why does another wave of models boost interest in the hobby? Wouldn't that just make the initial investment for a new starter more daunting?

Am I asking for free stuff? No. Am I asking that they hand deliver the models I want? No. I'm asking for the company to just ACKNOWLEDGE the issue publicly... A direct acknowledgement, not massing at sullest (in my opinion a failed tournament as it was regional exclusive,) but an acknowledgement of the errors/delays..

Seriously, who gives a rats patootie if they ACKNOWLEDGE the issue publicly?

Will that make the ship wave 2 is on move faster?

Will that solve the union dock workers back log of ships to unload?

Will people stop painting the white jesus?

Ooops... skip that last question, got carried away.

Why does another wave of models boost interest in the hobby? Wouldn't that just make the initial investment for a new starter more daunting?

Nostalgia. It makes it more daunting but it is still new enough that is is not X-Wing daunting

Makes sense.

One of the key likes i had for starting with Armada was it was quite affordable to buy one of everything at the time. I started Xwing (yet to play a game) just before the latest wave and still only see myself getting wave 1 ships lol.

As the game goes on, it will become less affordable to buy 1 of everything but that is fine. This game is really balanced so. Far so people can slowly build and still. Do great.

So. . . let me get this straight. . . It is FFG's fault that your stores did not check the FFG home page for the event (this is what the stores in my area did and behold, 5 events)

Canada also had events I believe. This is thanks to Lions doing their job right.

So you only had a single game in 3 months? Whose fault is that though? In my area Armada did not have a league near me so I made one. A guy I know wanted to get into the game but was unable so I bought him a core set as a birthday and Christmas present.

If you are having issues, why don't you instead of complaining about them, find a way to fix them. That is how things works.

A peeved consumer deserves to be peeved if the company has failed their community. GW has failed WHFB and WH40k players. FFG has not failed Armada

Well I'm glad you can afford to buy someone a set, not sure what that has to do with anything I said. My issue is, they have failed three out if three (3 for 3) release dates, that's a 0 for 3 record. And what have they done? Blame someone discreetly! They had massing at sullest, a regional apology that was poorly advertised (or perhaps failed to meet the interests of gamers, therefore not worth the investment.)

Local interest has been decimated, and apparently not just around me. I'm sure it will pick up when new sets are released, but I guess being the only game in town has its advantages!

Am I asking for free stuff? No. Am I asking that they hand deliver the models I want? No. I'm asking for the company to just ACKNOWLEDGE the issue publicly... A direct acknowledgement, not massing at sullest (in my opinion a failed tournament as it was regional exclusive,) but an acknowledgement of the errors/delays..

So you are now upset because they pushed back a release date and never gave you a reason?

So let's list a few and you can take your pick.

1) Released late because they wanted to extend the time between waves because people were were stating on the forums that money would be an issue. (sounds thin but it is actually smart of them to do this)

2) they wanted to maintain the balance of the game and thus chose to hold back to do so.

3) they never gave us a "firm" release date.

4) Disney said they had to wait. (with the Raider involved this is highly likely)

This is not Star Citizens, you are not a share holder, they are not beholden to us to tell us why. Would it be nice? Yes. Would it change anything? Ultimately, no.

I brought up my purchase for my friend because it is me building my community in some way shape or form. He excitement has gotten his brother interested, a friend interested, and many more whom I have demoed games with.

How big do you thing FFG is? They are not GW big. I doubt they are Privateer Press big. They are an American company who is a contractor for most of these licenses. Some they own, some they are allowed to work on at the behest of the license owner.

Once again. We are not share holders. They don't have to explain anything to us.

It does not help that the company is managed by older style of thinkers where explaining why something occurs is a sign of weakness.

1) Who claimed this other than in sarcasm? One of the big "benefits" of the wave 1 delay was that wave 2 wouldn't be far behind!

2) Balance? so wave 2 isn't balanced? So I guess it should never be released? Guess well never see any more waves!

3) No, they told us third quarter 2015, that time is passed, that means late. (0 for 3!)

4) Why would the raider have ANYTHING to do with this? The x-wing raider design went through LONG before any delay would have occurred in armada!

The smaller a company, the more transparent they need to be! I get it, we're not share holders, but we are the consumers in an already niche community. Here's the big deal, if i decide I don't like GW or how they handle things, I can go to a different company for a futuristic setting or fantasy setting, miniatures game. If I decide I don't like PP or how they handle things, I can find another steam punk setting miniatures game. This is not the case here, because of exclusive licencing, there is no other Star Wars themed capital ship game out there. So either they need to own up, man up, and get their adult pants on, or give up the licence to a company that is going to meet their obligations for such a vaunted legacy!

To your last point, then rather than hang around hoping to be graced by them, why not point out to them that that is an old line of thinking and call them out!

So. . . let me get this straight. . . It is FFG's fault that your stores did not check the FFG home page for the event (this is what the stores in my area did and behold, 5 events)

Canada also had events I believe. This is thanks to Lions doing their job right.

So you only had a single game in 3 months? Whose fault is that though? In my area Armada did not have a league near me so I made one. A guy I know wanted to get into the game but was unable so I bought him a core set as a birthday and Christmas present.

If you are having issues, why don't you instead of complaining about them, find a way to fix them. That is how things works.

A peeved consumer deserves to be peeved if the company has failed their community. GW has failed WHFB and WH40k players. FFG has not failed Armada

Well I'm glad you can afford to buy someone a set, not sure what that has to do with anything I said. My issue is, they have failed three out if three (3 for 3) release dates, that's a 0 for 3 record. And what have they done? Blame someone discreetly! They had massing at sullest, a regional apology that was poorly advertised (or perhaps failed to meet the interests of gamers, therefore not worth the investment.)

Local interest has been decimated, and apparently not just around me. I'm sure it will pick up when new sets are released, but I guess being the only game in town has its advantages!

Am I asking for free stuff? No. Am I asking that they hand deliver the models I want? No. I'm asking for the company to just ACKNOWLEDGE the issue publicly... A direct acknowledgement, not massing at sullest (in my opinion a failed tournament as it was regional exclusive,) but an acknowledgement of the errors/delays..

So you are now upset because they pushed back a release date and never gave you a reason?

So let's list a few and you can take your pick.

1) Released late because they wanted to extend the time between waves because people were were stating on the forums that money would be an issue. (sounds thin but it is actually smart of them to do this)

2) they wanted to maintain the balance of the game and thus chose to hold back to do so.

3) they never gave us a "firm" release date.

4) Disney said they had to wait. (with the Raider involved this is highly likely)

This is not Star Citizens, you are not a share holder, they are not beholden to us to tell us why. Would it be nice? Yes. Would it change anything? Ultimately, no.

I brought up my purchase for my friend because it is me building my community in some way shape or form. He excitement has gotten his brother interested, a friend interested, and many more whom I have demoed games with.

How big do you thing FFG is? They are not GW big. I doubt they are Privateer Press big. They are an American company who is a contractor for most of these licenses. Some they own, some they are allowed to work on at the behest of the license owner.

Once again. We are not share holders. They don't have to explain anything to us.

It does not help that the company is managed by older style of thinkers where explaining why something occurs is a sign of weakness.

1) Who claimed this other than in sarcasm? One of the big "benefits" of the wave 1 delay was that wave 2 wouldn't be far behind!

2) Balance? so wave 2 isn't balanced? So I guess it should never be released? Guess well never see any more waves!

3) No, they told us third quarter 2015, that time is passed, that means late. (0 for 3!)

4) Why would the raider have ANYTHING to do with this? The x-wing raider design went through LONG before any delay would have occurred in armada!

The smaller a company, the more transparent they need to be! I get it, we're not share holders, but we are the consumers in an already niche community. Here's the big deal, if i decide I don't like GW or how they handle things, I can go to a different company for a futuristic setting or fantasy setting, miniatures game. If I decide I don't like PP or how they handle things, I can find another steam punk setting miniatures game. This is not the case here, because of exclusive licencing, there is no other Star Wars themed capital ship game out there. So either they need to own up, man up, and get their adult pants on, or give up the licence to a company that is going to meet their obligations for such a vaunted legacy!

To your last point, then rather than hang around hoping to be graced by them, why not point out to them that that is an old line of thinking and call them out!

1) No, that was your perceived notion of the benefits. As I stated, MANY people are happy for the delay. It is an actual good thing because people were able to test, learn, and grow into this fantastic game.

2) because a game company can't test everything and being able to watch the community and their reactions (thanks to a bunch of the posters here) which allows FFG to see how people react, and where they can improve.

3) They gave us a soft confirmation that was then changed at GenCon to 4th quarter. Please get your facts correct.

4) Why do you think the Raider was delayed for X-Wing?

No, the smaller the company the more they have to follow the rules set by the people who hold the license for the game they produce. Tell me, do you know the terms of the Contract that FFG has with Disney to produce these games? I don't. Who is to say that what they are or are not allowed to tell us.

It's easy, stop feeling entitled and just play the game.

Why should I call them out? I am perfectly fine with this time table. It has allowed to the test the entirety of wave 1 and not get swamped by new things. If they had released Wave 2 right away would have drowned this game in too many new things and we would be waiting on wave 3 for an extended period of time.

I don't know ow about you but 8 to 10 months for wave 3 is WAY to long of a time.

1) Who claimed this other than in sarcasm? One of the big "benefits" of the wave 1 delay was that wave 2 wouldn't be far behind!

2) Balance? so wave 2 isn't balanced? So I guess it should never be released? Guess well never see any more waves!

3) No, they told us third quarter 2015, that time is passed, that means late. (0 for 3!)

4) Why would the raider have ANYTHING to do with this? The x-wing raider design went through LONG before any delay would have occurred in armada!

The smaller a company, the more transparent they need to be! I get it, we're not share holders, but we are the consumers in an already niche community. Here's the big deal, if i decide I don't like GW or how they handle things, I can go to a different company for a futuristic setting or fantasy setting, miniatures game. If I decide I don't like PP or how they handle things, I can find another steam punk setting miniatures game. This is not the case here, because of exclusive licencing, there is no other Star Wars themed capital ship game out there. So either they need to own up, man up, and get their adult pants on, or give up the licence to a company that is going to meet their obligations for such a vaunted legacy!

To your last point, then rather than hang around hoping to be graced by them, why not point out to them that that is an old line of thinking and call them out!

1) No, that was your perceived notion of the benefits. As I stated, MANY people are happy for the delay. It is an actual good thing because people were able to test, learn, and grow into this fantastic game.

2) because a game company can't test everything and being able to watch the community and their reactions (thanks to a bunch of the posters here) which allows FFG to see how people react, and where they can improve.

3) They gave us a soft confirmation that was then changed at GenCon to 4th quarter. Please get your facts correct.

4) Why do you think the Raider was delayed for X-Wing?

No, the smaller the company the more they have to follow the rules set by the people who hold the license for the game they produce. Tell me, do you know the terms of the Contract that FFG has with Disney to produce these games? I don't. Who is to say that what they are or are not allowed to tell us.

It's easy, stop feeling entitled and just play the game.

Why should I call them out? I am perfectly fine with this time table. It has allowed to the test the entirety of wave 1 and not get swamped by new things. If they had released Wave 2 right away would have drowned this game in too many new things and we would be waiting on wave 3 for an extended period of time.

I don't know ow about you but 8 to 10 months for wave 3 is WAY to long of a time.

2) Huh? So delay the game, release the rules, spot fix as needed, delay the game more, set to release 6 months late! Hooray for corporate incompetence?

3) My facts are correct, they stated end of third quarter, then delayed the release later, still 0 for 3!

4) If that's the case, why wasn't wave 2 released along with the raider for x-wing?

Right, they must follow the contract, however I doubt Disney tossed in a line about screwing up every release date, then failing to act responsibly afterward!

Or perhaps FFG needs to get its company in order!

Yet you JUST called it an outdated business model? Which is it? is it outdated or just fine?

Had they not failed to release on time (repeatedly,) then wave 3 likely would be announced by now and scheduled for release early 1st quarter of next year.

Back to another point, the Massing of Sullest, this was supposed to be an apology event (horribly conceived as it was, I guess it was at least something,) yet most of the world was ignored, despite them needing to wait even LONGER for the release past when its actually released! How would you like to address those players?

Its too bad, that I, as a Consumer, don't get the ability to Complain on my own behalf... That other people who have now stated that they are no longer a consumer do it for me...

Its too bad, that I, as a Consumer, don't get the ability to Complain on my own behalf... That other people who have now stated that they are no longer a consumer do it for me...

You have every right to say that you're happy with how things are going, as I have every right to say otherwise!

When wave 2 hits, I'll reassess, but if they go 0 for 4 when wave 3 comes around, yea, I won't be a consumer any more!

@Gadget I don't think I ever heard anything from FFG officially or unofficially suggesting Sullust was any sort of apology event. It was a promotional pre release the same way Attack on Imdaar was for X-wing.

I hope you feel better soon

Lack of Massing at Sullust and general slow release schedule has really strangled the community in Brisbane Australia. We've gone from a dozen players to 6. It's really sad considering the price point to getting into the game. The investment from FFG into us Aussies could do a lot I think.

1) Who claimed this other than in sarcasm? One of the big "benefits" of the wave 1 delay was that wave 2 wouldn't be far behind!

2) Balance? so wave 2 isn't balanced? So I guess it should never be released? Guess well never see any more waves!

3) No, they told us third quarter 2015, that time is passed, that means late. (0 for 3!)

4) Why would the raider have ANYTHING to do with this? The x-wing raider design went through LONG before any delay would have occurred in armada!

The smaller a company, the more transparent they need to be! I get it, we're not share holders, but we are the consumers in an already niche community. Here's the big deal, if i decide I don't like GW or how they handle things, I can go to a different company for a futuristic setting or fantasy setting, miniatures game. If I decide I don't like PP or how they handle things, I can find another steam punk setting miniatures game. This is not the case here, because of exclusive licencing, there is no other Star Wars themed capital ship game out there. So either they need to own up, man up, and get their adult pants on, or give up the licence to a company that is going to meet their obligations for such a vaunted legacy!

To your last point, then rather than hang around hoping to be graced by them, why not point out to them that that is an old line of thinking and call them out!

1) No, that was your perceived notion of the benefits. As I stated, MANY people are happy for the delay. It is an actual good thing because people were able to test, learn, and grow into this fantastic game.

2) because a game company can't test everything and being able to watch the community and their reactions (thanks to a bunch of the posters here) which allows FFG to see how people react, and where they can improve.

3) They gave us a soft confirmation that was then changed at GenCon to 4th quarter. Please get your facts correct.

4) Why do you think the Raider was delayed for X-Wing?

No, the smaller the company the more they have to follow the rules set by the people who hold the license for the game they produce. Tell me, do you know the terms of the Contract that FFG has with Disney to produce these games? I don't. Who is to say that what they are or are not allowed to tell us.

It's easy, stop feeling entitled and just play the game.

Why should I call them out? I am perfectly fine with this time table. It has allowed to the test the entirety of wave 1 and not get swamped by new things. If they had released Wave 2 right away would have drowned this game in too many new things and we would be waiting on wave 3 for an extended period of time.

I don't know ow about you but 8 to 10 months for wave 3 is WAY to long of a time.

1) And many were happy when Germany walked into Austria, how'd that work out? Some people will be happy given any scenario! Go back and read the forums for delay news. It is not a good thing, as game play has dried up and many communities lost all interest. Might interest spark up again? Possibly, or perhaps sales will spike because its a nice sculpt of a star destroyer while sales will stagnate because of lack of faith in the game.

2) Huh? So delay the game, release the rules, spot fix as needed, delay the game more, set to release 6 months late! Hooray for corporate incompetence?

3) My facts are correct, they stated end of third quarter, then delayed the release later, still 0 for 3!

4) If that's the case, why wasn't wave 2 released along with the raider for x-wing?

Right, they must follow the contract, however I doubt Disney tossed in a line about screwing up every release date, then failing to act responsibly afterward!

Or perhaps FFG needs to get its company in order!

Yet you JUST called it an outdated business model? Which is it? is it outdated or just fine?

Had they not failed to release on time (repeatedly,) then wave 3 likely would be announced by now and scheduled for release early 1st quarter of next year.

Back to another point, the Massing of Sullest, this was supposed to be an apology event (horribly conceived as it was, I guess it was at least something,) yet most of the world was ignored, despite them needing to wait even LONGER for the release past when its actually released! How would you like to address those players?

You really just compared people being fine with a delayed wave 2 with people being fine with Nazi Germany taking over Austria? And you expect us to keep reading or listen to anything you have to say?