That is a whole different issue. I may have missed it but how was the smooth runnings (hah i said it like cool runnings in my head) threatened. I do find it weird your LGS won't let you run the events.

Tournament opened with Top 5 getting prizes (as the LGS has an Employee who is Employed to Run Tournaments, and he doesn't play Armada)...

A group (6) people who did not play at the store came in, and essentially stated that if there was not a prize for last place, then the moment any of them were defeated by a large margin, and could not have a chance at the top, they would drop from the tournament.

Consequently, one of them finished in last place, and I finished 5th with nothing after playing 3 of them.

I mean, the argument is of course had I won, then there wouldn't have been an issue because I would gave gotten something anyway... But I still feel a bit cheated because the rules changed.

I smell entitlement. seriously how has no one made entitle-mints to give out to people like this.

The TO should have said that FFG clearly states how prizes will be determined and that there will be no prize for last place. The store could have given the ever so clever and over used last place prize of New dice......store credit to buy a new game......paint supplies.

I would talk with the LGS staffer and the store owner about this and share your frustration. See what they say. It may be as simple as "we want everyone to be happy". If it was a group of 6 people id remind them that they probably all drove together and that if someone drops they will have to stand around for sometime with their hands in their pockets. I am also from the North East and we are a bit more direct when it comes to calling people out.

I would 100% communicate your frustration to the store owner and staffer and remind them that "'murica doesn't deal with terrorists" or something along those lines. It really sets the precedence that customers can dictate how the event is run when in actuality it needs to be set by the store or things like this happen.

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funny story, totally off topic. I was at a store years ago and girl came in. She was a friend of the owner and said wow your guys action figures look great. My friend dead pan turns to her and just says "excuse me, they are called man dollies" thus it was born.

Well, I'm gonna put myself out there and disagree with you all - I think it's a shame when a few people get all the rewards and more people than need be are left out, even if the few who win are better players (I don't necessarily think that talent makes you most deserving of happiness). For most tournaments I wouldn't mind, but this was a special case, the only opportunity for quite a while to get these ships. Seems to me if you already have one then the nice thing to do is to let other people win the rest, or go and play but if you win donate (or sell for the cost of the tourny entry) your prize to another player.

Well, I'm gonna put myself out there and disagree with you all - I think it's a shame when a few people get all the rewards and more people than need be are left out, even if the few who win are better players (I don't necessarily think that talent makes you most deserving of happiness). For most tournaments I wouldn't mind, but this was a special case, the only opportunity for quite a while to get these ships. Seems to me if you already have one then the nice thing to do is to let other people win the rest, or go and play but if you win donate (or sell for the cost of the tourny entry) your prize to another player.

While I personally agree with you. That is not the unicorn farting rainbows world we live in. I am really happy that the majority of the time with all FFG games locally when someone wins something they already have outside of the medals, they pass it down. Its a great way to help other players get alt art cards and I give away as many as I can if i get extra. Either someone has a kid and cant get out on Saturdays or they work. They are still at the store weekly and help me get better so I try to hook them up as best as I can.

MoS was essentially a high stakes tournament and that will bring out the worst in people. Disappointing, this is, but also true. I am lucky enough to have a good job and disposable income, but 10 years ago rob lowe would have gone to as many MoS events as he could to try and offset the costs of the new stuff.

I'm on the anti-sniper side. If you're the kind of person that travels to multiple events to win prizes, particularly if you already have the prizes....even more so if you openly brag about having those prizes. Then you should be able to handle being name-called. It is, what it is. You're deliberately hunting for prizes, you're not there to make friends. So don't always expect a warm welcome.

I would have TONS of respect for someone that wins and then 'donates' their prize to the 2nd place player if they said "I already have one of these".

Myself personally, I practice this when I win tournaments locally. I pass up on Alt-Art cards and medals. I give them to the player under me, or an opponent that I faced that I had a good time facing.

Well, I'm gonna put myself out there and disagree with you all - I think it's a shame when a few people get all the rewards and more people than need be are left out, even if the few who win are better players (I don't necessarily think that talent makes you most deserving of happiness). For most tournaments I wouldn't mind, but this was a special case, the only opportunity for quite a while to get these ships. Seems to me if you already have one then the nice thing to do is to let other people win the rest, or go and play but if you win donate (or sell for the cost of the tourny entry) your prize to another player.

While I personally agree with you. That is not the unicorn farting rainbows world we live in. I am really happy that the majority of the time with all FFG games locally when someone wins something they already have outside of the medals, they pass it down. Its a great way to help other players get alt art cards and I give away as many as I can if i get extra. Either someone has a kid and cant get out on Saturdays or they work. They are still at the store weekly and help me get better so I try to hook them up as best as I can.

MoS was essentially a high stakes tournament and that will bring out the worst in people. Disappointing, this is, but also true. I am lucky enough to have a good job and disposable income, but 10 years ago rob lowe would have gone to as many MoS events as he could to try and offset the costs of the new stuff.

Oh aye, I can totally understand why people do it. Hell, even if you have a decent job these toys are expensive, and even if you don't care about cost getting them early is super tempting. I'm only saying letting other people get hold of them is the nice thing to do, I don't even know if it's what I'd do given the opportunity.

That is a whole different issue. I may have missed it but how was the smooth runnings (hah i said it like cool runnings in my head) threatened. I do find it weird your LGS won't let you run the events.

Tournament opened with Top 5 getting prizes (as the LGS has an Employee who is Employed to Run Tournaments, and he doesn't play Armada)...

A group (6) people who did not play at the store came in, and essentially stated that if there was not a prize for last place, then the moment any of them were defeated by a large margin, and could not have a chance at the top, they would drop from the tournament.

Consequently, one of them finished in last place, and I finished 5th with nothing after playing 3 of them.

I mean, the argument is of course had I won, then there wouldn't have been an issue because I would gave gotten something anyway... But I still feel a bit cheated because the rules changed.

I'm still not following... you got 5th place and 5 prizes were available.

How did you end up with nothing?

I'm on the anti-sniper side. If you're the kind of person that travels to multiple events to win prizes, particularly if you already have the prizes....even more so if you openly brag about having those prizes. Then you should be able to handle being name-called. It is, what it is. You're deliberately hunting for prizes, you're not there to make friends. So don't always expect a warm welcome.

I would have TONS of respect for someone that wins and then 'donates' their prize to the 2nd place player if they said "I already have one of these".

Myself personally, I practice this when I win tournaments locally. I pass up on Alt-Art cards and medals. I give them to the player under me, or an opponent that I faced that I had a good time facing.

I agree with you, but I can see why people are more tempted to be selfish here than normal, these are a little more desirable than the alt-art cards. Or maybe that's a short sighted view - in a few weeks they'll just be normal ships, while the alt-art cards will still be special.

That is a whole different issue. I may have missed it but how was the smooth runnings (hah i said it like cool runnings in my head) threatened. I do find it weird your LGS won't let you run the events.

Tournament opened with Top 5 getting prizes (as the LGS has an Employee who is Employed to Run Tournaments, and he doesn't play Armada)...

A group (6) people who did not play at the store came in, and essentially stated that if there was not a prize for last place, then the moment any of them were defeated by a large margin, and could not have a chance at the top, they would drop from the tournament.

Consequently, one of them finished in last place, and I finished 5th with nothing after playing 3 of them.

I mean, the argument is of course had I won, then there wouldn't have been an issue because I would gave gotten something anyway... But I still feel a bit cheated because the rules changed.

I'm still not following... you got 5th place and 5 prizes were available.

How did you end up with nothing?

Because it sounds like they gave the 5th place prize to 6th (last) place.

That is a whole different issue. I may have missed it but how was the smooth runnings (hah i said it like cool runnings in my head) threatened. I do find it weird your LGS won't let you run the events.

Tournament opened with Top 5 getting prizes (as the LGS has an Employee who is Employed to Run Tournaments, and he doesn't play Armada)...

A group (6) people who did not play at the store came in, and essentially stated that if there was not a prize for last place, then the moment any of them were defeated by a large margin, and could not have a chance at the top, they would drop from the tournament.

Consequently, one of them finished in last place, and I finished 5th with nothing after playing 3 of them.

I mean, the argument is of course had I won, then there wouldn't have been an issue because I would gave gotten something anyway... But I still feel a bit cheated because the rules changed.

I'm still not following... you got 5th place and 5 prizes were available.

How did you end up with nothing?

I think he's saying the tournament organiser gave in to the visitors' absurd demand for a prize for last place, which came at the expense of the prize for 5th place. Makes no sense at all if you ask me - a player who doesn't fancy his chances need simply throw each mach on purpose if he's only there for the prize.

That is a whole different issue. I may have missed it but how was the smooth runnings (hah i said it like cool runnings in my head) threatened. I do find it weird your LGS won't let you run the events.

Tournament opened with Top 5 getting prizes (as the LGS has an Employee who is Employed to Run Tournaments, and he doesn't play Armada)...

A group (6) people who did not play at the store came in, and essentially stated that if there was not a prize for last place, then the moment any of them were defeated by a large margin, and could not have a chance at the top, they would drop from the tournament.

Consequently, one of them finished in last place, and I finished 5th with nothing after playing 3 of them.

I mean, the argument is of course had I won, then there wouldn't have been an issue because I would gave gotten something anyway... But I still feel a bit cheated because the rules changed.

I'm still not following... you got 5th place and 5 prizes were available.

How did you end up with nothing?

Because 5th Prize became last prize.

Because 5th Prize became last prize.

That is utterly dreadful. I'd be extremely pissed off if I were you. If they changed the rules after you paid you fee you'd have been entitled to ask for your entry fee back.

I'm on the anti-sniper side. If you're the kind of person that travels to multiple events to win prizes, particularly if you already have the prizes....even more so if you openly brag about having those prizes. Then you should be able to handle being name-called. It is, what it is. You're deliberately hunting for prizes, you're not there to make friends. So don't always expect a warm welcome.

I would have TONS of respect for someone that wins and then 'donates' their prize to the 2nd place player if they said "I already have one of these".

Myself personally, I practice this when I win tournaments locally. I pass up on Alt-Art cards and medals. I give them to the player under me, or an opponent that I faced that I had a good time facing.

Why should anyone... anyone at all, be called names for playing in a miniature game tournament to win a prize?

If the person is behaving in a bad manner, then sure, but the act of trying and then winning another prize doesn't make him an as*hat if he doesn't donate it to someone else.

Personally, i have TONS of respect for someone who can go to multiple tourneys, play by the rules and win more than 1 tourney.

As Drasnighta illustrates, this is probably why 'pre-release' tournaments need to stop. It brings out the d1cks. Just like the Assault at Imdaar Alpha (X-wing) event turned into a sh*t-show.

That is a whole different issue. I may have missed it but how was the smooth runnings (hah i said it like cool runnings in my head) threatened. I do find it weird your LGS won't let you run the events.

Tournament opened with Top 5 getting prizes (as the LGS has an Employee who is Employed to Run Tournaments, and he doesn't play Armada)...

A group (6) people who did not play at the store came in, and essentially stated that if there was not a prize for last place, then the moment any of them were defeated by a large margin, and could not have a chance at the top, they would drop from the tournament.

Consequently, one of them finished in last place, and I finished 5th with nothing after playing 3 of them.

I mean, the argument is of course had I won, then there wouldn't have been an issue because I would gave gotten something anyway... But I still feel a bit cheated because the rules changed.

I'm still not following... you got 5th place and 5 prizes were available.

How did you end up with nothing?

Because 5th Prize became last prize.

Wow... so 5th place was essentially 6th place.

Wtf is with that store and to? If they wanted to drop, great... no refunds on your tournanment fee though! Have a nice day!

I disagree with you guys, and think it's irrelevant how many prizes you've already won, whether you regularly visit the store, or really anything else: as long as the rules are the same for everybody, may the best man win, and to the victor go the spoils. Maybe the disconnect is in the reasons we enjoy playing?

Myself, I love competition, so that aspect of this game really scratches that itch. I like to play against people who are at or a little above my own level so I can learn and get better, even if I lose, because it's so satisfying to come back next time and kick their ass. The people that I have built the best relationships with in the course of playing Armada are those who beat me more often than not.

For others, the joy is in building the community, and in making friends directly. There's nothing inherently more or less valuable in either position (or any other), but I do think it's going to color your opinion in questions like this.

Edit: I'm slow, this is in response to a couple posts up when everybody was agreeing that prize-sniping is the worst...

As Drasnighta illustrates, this is probably why 'pre-release' tournaments need to stop. It brings out the d1cks. Just like the Assault at Imdaar Alpha (X-wing) event turned into a sh*t-show.

Id have to disagree...

Out of all the postings here about the MoS tourney, most reported no issues and just talked about their matches. There were a few of you that did have issues, but they seemed to me to be more at the store/to level then the player level. Such as owners charging outrageous fees or keeping prizes to sell for later, bad notification on moved day/time, etc

I'm on the anti-sniper side. If you're the kind of person that travels to multiple events to win prizes, particularly if you already have the prizes....even more so if you openly brag about having those prizes. Then you should be able to handle being name-called. It is, what it is. You're deliberately hunting for prizes, you're not there to make friends. So don't always expect a warm welcome.

I would have TONS of respect for someone that wins and then 'donates' their prize to the 2nd place player if they said "I already have one of these".

Myself personally, I practice this when I win tournaments locally. I pass up on Alt-Art cards and medals. I give them to the player under me, or an opponent that I faced that I had a good time facing.

while i agree that if your like "LOLOLOL this is my third ISD this weekend" and you get called a d-bag, you earned it. FFG is also unique in that their prizes are more than 1st-3rd coins or pins and store credit.

i got to tournaments to play and meet new people, and practice for things like store championships and regional. If that makes me a shark so be it but that's how i want to play this game, at the highest level of competition i am capable of. Does that mean I should pass up my prize support, not really.

The entitlement stuff comes up here. I AM NOT AIMING THIS AT ANYONE. The fact that people automatically assume that because someone has something and they re-acquire it, that it will get passed down, bugs me. You didn't earn it. If I win a tournament, I earned it. I won my games, I got all the points, Its my prizes to do with whatever I like. If I want to pass it down to build the community up, fine. If i want to add it to my collection, fine. If i want to take it home and give it to my buddy fine. If i want to take it into the bathroom and wipe my arse with it, fine. Some people feel that because they don't have something and others already do, that when it is re-acquired by the people who already have it, it should be theirs cuz they showed up.

In Drasnightas case, i'd actually hold the TO more to blame than anybody. Tell then to **** off if they dont like the rules, simple as that. Nothing to do with coming from out of town or not.

Otherwise, i think i'm with BergerFett when he says:

"The entitlement stuff comes up here. I AM NOT AIMING THIS AT ANYONE. The fact that people automatically assume that because someone has something and they re-acquire it, that it will get passed down, bugs me. You didn't earn it. If I win a tournament, I earned it. I won my games, I got all the points, Its my prizes to do with whatever I like. If I want to pass it down to build the community up, fine. If i want to add it to my collection, fine. If i want to take it home and give it to my buddy fine. If i want to take it into the bathroom and wipe my arse with it, fine. Some people feel that because they don't have something and others already do, that when it is re-acquired by the people who already have it, it should be theirs cuz they showed up."

Its a tournament. That both implicitly and explicitly specifies that it is a competitive event, and therefore you need to win to earn a prize. No win, no prize.

As for handing them down....this might be a dreadful analogy, but i dont see any Regional, national or Worlds players turning up, winning and then saying "You take this trophy, i've already got one". They travel from MILES around to "snipe those prizes".

Why should it be different at Store level, just because the trophy looks like a Ship and can be used in game?

As Drasnighta illustrates, this is probably why 'pre-release' tournaments need to stop. It brings out the d1cks. Just like the Assault at Imdaar Alpha (X-wing) event turned into a sh*t-show.

Why, what was pre-released at that? I got a (rather ugly) Z95 card I think, was there something else?

It's all the fault of those dang 1% winners!!! The man is keeping us down from our "fair share" of plastic toys!!!

As Drasnighta illustrates, this is probably why 'pre-release' tournaments need to stop. It brings out the d1cks. Just like the Assault at Imdaar Alpha (X-wing) event turned into a sh*t-show.

Why, what was pre-released at that? I got a (rather ugly) Z95 card I think, was there something else?

I think wave1 for X-Wing had a similar event. Play X rounds top 2 play with the new ships. Was the a-wing, interceptor, firespray, yt-1300 wave. It was just like Massing. Our store had no issues but X-wing was fairly small.

I actually find it a fairly amusing contradiction to see people post about players traveling to events solely caring about winning the prizes.

And the contradiction is those people making those posts are only upset about the situation because they or thiers didn't win the prize in the end. So in reality they were there for the prize as well, yet want to claim some moral high ground because they got beat.

You want the prize an event is offering? Win the event.

Competing in multiple tournaments on the road is fine. Going to multiple tournaments on the road until you win one and get the prize you really want is fine. Going to multiple tournaments on the road so you can get the prize you really want and then eBaying the rest is bad form.