Wow, I'd be interested to know how many players and how long the game took.

I actually like the small board in the corner; it's almost a relief, space wise.

No dragon at the top of the tower????

What ending were you using?

Hi,

The Cave is definitely the least visited expansion I use, can’t remember when someone actually went in there! Some of the Spells and Adventure Cards are great fun though. Debauchery is a Spell that makes the target use all his subsequent turns in an effort to reach the Tavern and then miss another 3 turns and loose 3 objects or gold as well. Not the best thing to have done to you when you are on the Valley of Fire.! Abducted by Aliens whisks you off to the Timescape usually at an innpropriate moment. When I was updating the set for revised 4th I did notice a fair few cards which either didn’t work or were a bit broken so I tweaked them a bit to make them work. Don’t know if this was due to the translation I used or the cards were a bit duff in the first place.

I’d love a translation of the Haunted Crypt so I could convert that set as well. Were there any cards in the other sets of the Polish Talisman or Magic Sword that were not copies of the English sets? I’d love to include every card I can in my set.

Nemomon, I’ve sent you a friend request with my email details in, maybe we could sort something out with the Cave and Crypt.

The two characters that started the game were the Vampire and Space Marine, I found a nice figure by Heresy which looks the part.

I use the Tower to replace the Crown of Command space rather than the whole Inner Region. I’ve changed the 1st space to the Courtyard as a draw 1 card space where you have to leave any Mules or Horses etc. I’ve also changed the top of the Tower to The Crown of Command and have been using my updated versions of the 2nd edition alternative endings. I’m still yet to get my hands on Frostmarch but will add the new endings to the mix. I actually got the Tower set in a sale and discovered my Dragon had a leg missing and the shop had sold out by that point. In a curious coincidence, several years later, a friend told me that his Dragon came with an extra leg! Unfortunately, I then discovered that when I had been burgled several years earlier that the dirty scumbags had stolen my stumpy Dragon.

The game lasted a bit over two hours. I got to the end first as the Vampire (who was also the High Mage) with the Space Marine who had by this time been changed into the Swashbuckler close behind me. I drew Pandoras Box but it was too late to do much damage to my opponent before we fought to the death. I got stuck with some duff Spells and the Swashbuckling Space Marine was too much for me. We were playing with a beefed up version of Pandoras Box as the original was way too weak.

I’ve made quite a few tweaks to the rules and cards from the old sets when I made the converted cards and I’m really happy of the way it turns out as it plays really well

Cheers

Geoff

Rather than derail the Frostmarch threads I will come here and pull this train a bit.

I started thinking that the big box expansions would be best served by giving each a theme.

The Dungeon does this...deep, dark and deadly

Mountains sound bland untill you give them Trolls as a theme, now you can use all sorts of myth and legend.

Forests are interesting but...Enchanted Woods where the Fey are always there to pester you...you can have some twisted fun.

The sea, this one is hard to get your brain around untill you realise that the sea is dull...but a chain of islands where the tales of Sinbad and Homer can be found can be thrilling.

Even a city (not my first choice) can be interesting if it becomes the City of Terrors.

I would like to see each big box have its own deck of cards to keep the theme focused, again the Dungeon is the model for this, as well as many 1st and 2nd ED expansions from TalismanIsland and The Warp Zone.

Alternate middle regions like the one JC Hendee made would be a great option as well.

Old Master said:

The Dragon King has fly away...

The game took too long

Velhart said:

Maybe the game took so long the Dragon King died of old age .

Feldrik... some good notions overall, and definitely something missing in some past edition expansions... though not by a lot on all of them. But don't hold your breath on that "sea/ocean" one. As to boring, well, aside from theme... sea travel was very costly, dangerous, and there was no guarentee you'd even make it to where you were heading. Through in sea serpents, sirens, pirates, etc., and it could still be romp as a way to shortcut around the board or even head to far off lands.

But again, don't count on it. Talisman has always been a rather one land universe. Even Timescape didn't really breach that in an effective way.

JCHendee said:

I'm now expecting a water or island based expansion board - one that continues the river where it leaves the main board.

One reason I'm expecting this is that I do not expect a mountain expansion. With the Frostqueen (sometimes) in the crown of command, and her ice palace now appearing in the middle or outer region... Well, I guess we could get a modified mountain board, but it would seem like a strange choice. Similarly, the Frostqueen ending makes me doubt we'll ever see a Dragon King in fourth.

It makes sense too - if I were redesigning Talisman I would rehash some (but not all) of the ideas from the past, and use some new ideas of my own. Wouldn't you?

Another sign of differences to come are the choices of cards in Reaper and Frostmarch. Lots of old cards coming from varied 2E and 3E expansions. Unless they plan something really altered for those old boards, there are lots of cards there to re-use... for something else. So all bets are off as what will come as the next large expansion in another half year.

JCHendee said:

Timescape

Timescape!

Timescape!!!

TIMESCAPE!!!

TIMESCAPE!!!

TIMESCAPE !!!

TIMESCAPE!!!

crimhead said:

I think that a water/island expansion takes too much space to make a board for it, but i love to see some rivers with bridge that you must cross, as artwork on the board.

I still hope that a Mountain region will come, and it's the only region( by nature) where snow exist at the high peak of the Mountains.

From story based( it says that she come from across the northern waters, so maybe we get some water too..(mountains is her real home.(from third based)

The Ice Queen is no exception for not making a Dragon Tower with Dragon King

It's another option that you can choose for a ending..

I think that some third edition players will not be satisfied, if other regions will pop up..

ameritrasher said:

A lot of people will not play or buy it.... ( me included..

(only for the collection maybe..

Why do people want Science fiction in Talisman?

I think A.T. is obviously "trolling" again... and you took the bait, V.

JCHendee said:

Yeah, it seems so..

Next time, i will leave him alone..

I just want to let him know that the anti Timescape group still exist

Velhart said:

Naah, bring on Timescape and let those who don't like it sit in the corner and brood, let those like me, who after seeing the treatment done on the dungeon by FFG, would like to get a FFG Talisman Timescape expansion.

Don't voice your opinion against Timescape, voice your opinion for a Dragon Tower

Cheers

Personally, I would rather see a whole new SciFi game using the same game Mechanics as Talisman.

Okay I went a little overboard there but I seriously would like to see Timescape come out. It's not that I care that much about generic science fiction but I DO love Warhammer 40K! Being able to play a Space Marine and Rogue Trader rocks!

Fantasy Flight has done a great job updating Talisman and the dungeon set is a better design than the two previous editions combined. All the new stuff I've seen so far has been a big improvement from years before. Could this be the golden age of Talisman? My point is that if Fantasy Flights design team worked out a few changes then Timescape could be really awesome.

If you don't like science fiction or 40K that's fine, but the expansion could still have some really cool cards, game region and characters that are worth playing with.

JCHendee said:

Even in hating Timescape the most of any expansion in any edition... admittedly, I have some twisted curiousity just to see what they might do with it. Although they'd have to do more than what they did with the Dungeon.

Overall, I find the new Dungeon a worthwhile variation once in while, but not something I would play regularly. So you can imagine what it would take to turn my head on a Timescape re-issue.

Hmmm... but maybe they ought to do something else first.

JCHendee said:

I'd have to agree with that. The rest of the corner boards should come out first then the dragons. After that maybe timescape or something really different like an ocean adventure. FFG came out with the seas of blood expansion for descent so maybe they will do a pirate expansion for talisman!

ameritrasher said:

What's to say Timescape won't be one of the corner boards? It probably won't the next corner board, anyway.

Velhart said:

Myself, I want it strictly for novelty purposes. To that end I will probably not use it every game. But I would prefer if it has a built in option which makes it rare and difficult ever to enter. Then it's a surprise novelty!

Dragons I could take or leave. Obviously I encourage any and all small box card based expansions - I just don't care wether or not a dragon theme is ever used. Nothing against it, I like dragons just fine. But for small sets I'm more interested in the new characters, new endings, new mechanics, variant rules, and NPCs than I am in the overall theme.

ameritrasher said:

I agree too.

First the corner boards, then dragons+Dragon Tower, and after that, Timescape or a ocean adventure

Then everyone will be satisfied

Old Master said:

Don't voice your opinion against Timescape, voice your opinion for a Dragon Tower

I would bet, that the words about a Dragon Tower+dragons, has reach FFG already....(at least i hope so)

Let's find some Dragon equipment

crimhead said:

Ditto that... though I can do without the fantasy "super hero/villain" characters. They make standard, more balanced characters sit on the shelf and gather dust as everyone tries to find one that will have a chance against an uber-character. Not interested in a nuke escalation principle in Talisman... though it is a commercially savvy approach to keep people buying just to keep up with other players. A successful strategy upon which Magic the Gathering made its fortunes.

Old Master said:

Hi Old Master,

In another topic, i read that you did not like a western theme, because it does not fit in talisman..?, but you are rather praying for a timescape expansion??

Does not make sense to me

Both don't fit actually in a fantasy game

Velhart said:

Hi Velhart,

You possibly missed what I've said about the Timescape topic, here's a recap: Timescape should go backward in time from the medievale periode, no western or steam train and definitely no phaser blaster if you know what I mean

But some egyptian, dinosaure or roman empire theme would be welcome at this point.

Hope this is much clearer to you.

Cheer,