How has the B-wing been faring (or how do you expect it to fare) in the current meta?
Seeing as how the slight decline of fat 2-ship builds should encourage the rise of more aces (especially Vader) and IG-88s, I figured Panic Attack would be in a solid list. But with quad-TLT and the re-emergence of PS3+ swarms, I'm not sure my B-wings can handle the heat. Even 4xTLT with Unhinged can outrun 4BZ or Panic Attack lists while dealing similar amounts of damage.
Quick glance at ListJuggler would say that B-wings are getting squeezed out of the current meta. Not completely but there are fewer B-wings in nationals than in regionals. Also, they show up in fewer of the elimination round lists.
I think TLT spam is going to seriously curtail B-wings for now. I have switched from 4BZ to AC/DC for the moment. Looking forward to trying BBXXZ when integrated astro drops.
I think the Tractor Beam might cause a bit of resurgence, but until the TLT spam is beaten down it'll be a bit of a tougher time.
Though Ibby
I love the near symmetry here between the three factions. This is the elimination round lists from National Tournaments.
So what all are we missing?
no surprise. poor, poor Scyk
Dual Ace lists have never been an easy matchup for B's. They have some rough matchups right now.
Edited by TasteTheRainbowKhiraxz is a solid ship, but it cannot consistently get their guns on aces. They rock at taking down PWT but since those are declining, the demand for anti-pancake technology is declining.
I think they might start making a comeback. Really what hurts B-wings is PWTs. They don't have the dial to keep up with a boosting large base ship and they end up being a liability. Named B-wings are kind of like named X-wings. Too expensive for what you get.
I love the near symmetry here between the three factions. This is the elimination round lists from National Tournaments.
So what all are we missing?
- M3-A Scyk-
- Kihraxz- What's up here? Too new? No good?
- Starviper- see comment for Scyk
- Imp Firespray- who cares, Firespray is Scum!
- Tie Bomber- c'mon Guidance Chip!
- Tie Defender- sadness
- Tie Punisher- see Bomber
- Tie/FO- see Kihraxz
- T70 X-wing- see Tie/FO and Kihraxz
- Rebel Y-wings- Wha?! Everyone loves the unhinged and aggro?
How the starviper merits even the most remote comparison to the scyk is beyond me.
Sure, the generics suck but both Guri and Xizor are incredible pilots that can carry games (and, in xizor's case, counter aces)
Poor scyks have bad generics and bad named
Poor ibtisam.
Pilot ability is now just a low cost EPT. Really makes ibby obsolete.
T-70 too new. T-65? Too bad.
the generics are still fine IMO, very good bang for your buck.
naked or with fcs I see them quite often.
the named pilots though.. don't see a place for them ATM.
Quick glance at ListJuggler would say that B-wings are getting squeezed out of the current meta. Not completely but there are fewer B-wings in nationals than in regionals. Also, they show up in fewer of the elimination round lists.
I think TLT spam is going to seriously curtail B-wings for now. I have switched from 4BZ to AC/DC for the moment. Looking forward to trying BBXXZ when integrated astro drops.
Yeah with B-wings if 2 TLTs are on the table you can count on losing a B-wing in 2 turns. If 4 then a B-wing a turn. TLTs for B-wings pretty much reads B-wings take 2 damage.
But also keep in mind that this is Wave 6 data and the TFA and Wave 7 are not included so who knows what they will be.
Edited by Marinealver
Quick glance at ListJuggler would say that B-wings are getting squeezed out of the current meta. Not completely but there are fewer B-wings in nationals than in regionals. Also, they show up in fewer of the elimination round lists.
I think TLT spam is going to seriously curtail B-wings for now. I have switched from 4BZ to AC/DC for the moment. Looking forward to trying BBXXZ when integrated astro drops.
Yeah with B-wings if 2 TLTs are on the table you can count on losing a B-wing in 2 turns. If 4 then a B-wing a turn. TLTs for B-wings pretty much reads B-wings take 2 damage.
But also keep in mind that this is Wave 6 data and the TFA and Wave 7 are not included so who knows what they will be.
4BZ vs 4TLT = 4BZ will win more often then the 4TLT because even if 4TLT means 1 B-Wing down, 4BZ also mean 1 TLT down. Then 3TLT doesnt equal 1 B-Wing down, but 3BZ still mean a possibility of 1 TLT down.
What hurt the 4BZ currently are the Aces.
4B-wing list will always be around. Either with the Z or with Advance sensors or fire control system. It is a list a blind child could use and have a chance to win. I tried flying it, just found I don't like the play style of the 4 B-wing list, or playing against it.
B'a have been doing fine since release (generics anyway). If you were to PS bid past TLT's you should PS kill one before it fires and the remaining 3 cannot kill one of you in a single round.
But no, you can't just keep loading up on naked blues or even FCS/AC bwings and have the exact same success as you did 2 years ago when wave 3 hit. It's a different world and the BWing has the tools you need to work in it but maybe not the same tools you're used to.
They're still decent picks and Panic Attack would make a great counter against all these Shuttle Soontir Whisper/Vader and other double/triple ace lists.
Problem with Panic Attack is that not everyone has enough of the cards or ships to run it. So it requires 3 B-Wings, 2 Rebel Aces sets for E2, Rebel Y-Wing (technically, you could just run a syndicate thug token, who cares, you might also need the ion cannon turret), Most wanted set for BTL-A4, rebel transport for the stressbot, and 3 Phantoms for your 3 tacticians. You could save a lot of money by ebaying cards but not everyone is keen on doing that.
Many players in my area have also been drawn to new things like K-Wings and super Poe, and lists like BBBB(Z)/Panic Attack have always been niche lists during the Fat Turretwing meta to begin with. Quad Advanced also scratches that same itch, as the AC Tempest is the Imperial B-Wing IMO.
B-wings are doing better than ever. Personally, I've found that the B-wing only really struggled against maneuverable large base ships who could block the B-wing's abysmal 2 K-turn. If you want to deal with arc dodgers, just equip an ion cannon or tactician and run them with BTL-A4 Y-wing carrying R3-A2.
B-wings are doing better than ever. Personally, I've found that the B-wing only really struggled against maneuverable large base ships who could block the B-wing's abysmal 2 K-turn. If you want to deal with arc dodgers, just equip an ion cannon or tactician and run them with BTL-A4 Y-wing carrying R3-A2.
Worked pretty well for me at nationals.
That said I'm trying to get one last hurrah out of rebel control at world's and tlt is giving me migraines. Even when I build with a ps bid or good range control it's an uphill battle
That said I'm trying to get one last hurrah out of rebel control at world's and tlt is giving me migraines. Even when I build with a ps bid or good range control it's an uphill battle
Honestly, I think you just have to not worry about it. Very few people are running 4x TLT in the US tournaments and those that do aren't seeing much success. Rebel control has always been lackluster against other low PS swarms (4BZ, obsidian swarm etc) and 3-4 TLTs aren't that much different. It seems to me that being favored against the strongest builds (2 ace +palp, Brobots and PS10 ships) is worth having some bad matchups against lists that aren't that good and/or popular in the current meta.
The thing about Quad TLT, especially the optimal unhinged scum variant, is that it requires someone to have 2 standalone Y-Wings and 2 most wanted sets and 2 K-Wings specifically to fly it. Most players would rather buy a single Y-Wing and 3 different ships than run a list that requires 4 of one ship.
Same reason why you don't see as much BBBB(Z)/Panic Attack and other good spam lists like 5x Autothrusters Alpha.
I love the near symmetry here between the three factions. This is the elimination round lists from National Tournaments.
So what all are we missing?
- M3-A Scyk-
- Kihraxz- What's up here? Too new? No good?
- Starviper- see comment for Scyk
- Imp Firespray- who cares, Firespray is Scum!
- Tie Bomber- c'mon Guidance Chip!
- Tie Defender- sadness
- Tie Punisher- see Bomber
- Tie/FO- see Kihraxz
- T70 X-wing- see Tie/FO and Kihraxz
- Rebel Y-wings- Wha?! Everyone loves the unhinged and aggro?
surprised That Y-wings are so popular for the scum. My brother flys his scum Zs and Ywings against me, and I crush him with Soontir and Ties %80 of the time.
Yes but have you tried playing against others other than your brother?
Scum ywings are pretty awesome in the right hands and list
Edited by Krynn007Honestly, I think you just have to not worry about it. Very few people are running 4x TLT in the US tournaments and those that do aren't seeing much success. Rebel control has always been lackluster against other low PS swarms (4BZ, obsidian swarm etc) and 3-4 TLTs aren't that much different. It seems to me that being favored against the strongest builds (2 ace +palp, Brobots and PS10 ships) is worth having some bad matchups against lists that aren't that good and/or popular in the current meta.That said I'm trying to get one last hurrah out of rebel control at world's and tlt is giving me migraines. Even when I build with a ps bid or good range control it's an uphill battle
That's about the conclusion I'm coming too. I'm leaning towards slipping biggs into the list as some tech against tlt, but it hurts the brobot matchup. I've been trying to find a way to get miranda in the list but haven't found a total build I love yet, or at least nothing that makes me feel the way my nationals list did
surprised That Y-wings are so popular for the scum. My brother flys his scum Zs and Ywings against me, and I crush him with Soontir and Ties %80 of the time.
4xTLT with Unhinged Astromechs is making up for most of that.
honestly, don't really understand the Unhinged Love. Yeah yeah, 3-hards woo~
R4 aggro is such a beast on TLTs; you can actually hit through R5-p9 Poe