I don't mind the Jimmy changes. I forgot the exact dates, but it is around 20 years after he met Superman. He can't remain the geeky cameraman his whole life. And, I think he even mentioned that his move to National City was to broaden his horizons and to grow.

Sort of on a similar path Kara is going on.

I don't mind the Jimmy changes.

I don't either. The whole goofy kid/sidekick thing was a golden age thing and never very interesting IMO. I think the way they're doing him now is fine, regardless of what race he is.

Two other thoughts...

One I honestly don't care for the Cat Grant character... She's so far over the top of the 'white rich B****' that it's almost comical. I hope they tone that down or else she will easily be the weakest part of the series.

Also this is an interesting link I ran across. http://www.tvguide.com/news/supergirl-kara-glasses/ It says a fair amount about how much thought they've put into the show.

Are black people not allowed to be nerdy and wear bow ties or be ginger...

Well I'm pretty sure there's no black people who are naturally gingers. To be fair on the Flash, Cisco is pretty nerdy and he's not white. I give the show big props for having him wear a Big Bang Theory tshirt since Sheldon wears a Flash one all the time.

But I agree that the subtle bigotry is still kinda a problem. The fanboy... Wow I just don't get that. Why would anyone hate the whole of something, over a single and fairly small portion of it? Just makes no sense to me. If that was the final straw or something I'd understand. But far too often people will reject the whole show or movie over one fairly small and really meaningless thing.

He also crowed about fant4stic being a bomb and blamed it partly on johnny storm being black.

You'd be tempted to think him racist but it seem's to be solely he objects to race being swapped on characters.

He didn't for example have a problem with halle berry being catwoman because she wasn't playing selina kyle.

He didn't for example have a problem with halle berry being catwoman because she wasn't playing selina kyle.

Well I'd guess that means he's consistent if nothing else.

Myself I have no issues with a movie or TV show updating characters or making changes, as long as the changes make sense, or at least isn't completely contrary to that character.

For example making Jimmy black, doesn't bother me. Sure in the comics he's a white guy, but DC has always had a multiverse thing going on, and perhaps in this universe Jimmy is black. Kinda like how in the Avengers Fury is black, but that's ok because those take place in the ultimate universe, where he is black, and I'm pretty sure was modeled after Samuel Jackson to start with.

But making Johnny Storm black, that was different, because they had to change his story, he's no longer Sue's little brother, he's Sue's adopted brother, not that it's a huge change but it was one that didn't add anything to the story. The change would of actually made more sense if both Johnny and Sue were black.

So I don't mind it, unless it comes off as pandering, it's the same way with homosexual characters, it drives me a little nuts when they make a character gay because it makes them look more socially aware or something.

Like the whole thing with Batgirl... Lesbian or straight doesn't matter much, but it really seemed like nothing more than a publicity stunt, a "Hey look at how socially conscience and diverse we are!!! Look, look!!! We're trying to be relevant here!" I'll admit I never read the comic so maybe I'm wrong. But that's the feeling I got from reading some articles about it.

The gay character in Aftermath was IMO done right. You had no way of knowing it until it became relevant, and then wasn't really mentioned again, because that was just one part of who he was, and not the thing that defined him.

Waiting for super dog!!

Waiting for super dog!!

Urgh no the super pets are and always have been stupid, why do you need a super horse when you can fly.

He didn't for example have a problem with halle berry being catwoman because she wasn't playing selina kyle.

Well I'd guess that means he's consistent if nothing else.

Myself I have no issues with a movie or TV show updating characters or making changes, as long as the changes make sense, or at least isn't completely contrary to that character.

For example making Jimmy black, doesn't bother me. Sure in the comics he's a white guy, but DC has always had a multiverse thing going on, and perhaps in this universe Jimmy is black. Kinda like how in the Avengers Fury is black, but that's ok because those take place in the ultimate universe, where he is black, and I'm pretty sure was modeled after Samuel Jackson to start with.

But making Johnny Storm black, that was different, because they had to change his story, he's no longer Sue's little brother, he's Sue's adopted brother, not that it's a huge change but it was one that didn't add anything to the story. The change would of actually made more sense if both Johnny and Sue were black.

So I don't mind it, unless it comes off as pandering, it's the same way with homosexual characters, it drives me a little nuts when they make a character gay because it makes them look more socially aware or something.

Like the whole thing with Batgirl... Lesbian or straight doesn't matter much, but it really seemed like nothing more than a publicity stunt, a "Hey look at how socially conscience and diverse we are!!! Look, look!!! We're trying to be relevant here!" I'll admit I never read the comic so maybe I'm wrong. But that's the feeling I got from reading some articles about it.

The gay character in Aftermath was IMO done right. You had no way of knowing it until it became relevant, and then wasn't really mentioned again, because that was just one part of who he was, and not the thing that defined him.

Batgirl is Lesbian now? Have they retired Barbara Gorden again or just had her randomly come out of the closet? Are you sure you aren't thinking of the new 52 Batwoman? I never read her pre-52 comics but the few 52 issues I read made it clear that she was Lesbian so I thought Cassandra had always been Lesbian.

And yeah in my experience reboots changing the ethnicity or gender of characters rarely leads to anything good. It is better just to make all new characters if you want a character of a different ethnicity or gender in a role IMO.

I could really care less what race and/or gender any superhero is unless the character inherently has to be a certain way. For example, Black Panther should never be a white person. Superman has to be a dude. Ditto with Batman. The name of the superhero kind of forces the issue. The Flash could be an Asian woman and it would not matter a bit.

He didn't for example have a problem with halle berry being catwoman because she wasn't playing selina kyle.

Well I'd guess that means he's consistent if nothing else.

Myself I have no issues with a movie or TV show updating characters or making changes, as long as the changes make sense, or at least isn't completely contrary to that character.

For example making Jimmy black, doesn't bother me. Sure in the comics he's a white guy, but DC has always had a multiverse thing going on, and perhaps in this universe Jimmy is black. Kinda like how in the Avengers Fury is black, but that's ok because those take place in the ultimate universe, where he is black, and I'm pretty sure was modeled after Samuel Jackson to start with.

But making Johnny Storm black, that was different, because they had to change his story, he's no longer Sue's little brother, he's Sue's adopted brother, not that it's a huge change but it was one that didn't add anything to the story. The change would of actually made more sense if both Johnny and Sue were black.

So I don't mind it, unless it comes off as pandering, it's the same way with homosexual characters, it drives me a little nuts when they make a character gay because it makes them look more socially aware or something.

Like the whole thing with Batgirl... Lesbian or straight doesn't matter much, but it really seemed like nothing more than a publicity stunt, a "Hey look at how socially conscience and diverse we are!!! Look, look!!! We're trying to be relevant here!" I'll admit I never read the comic so maybe I'm wrong. But that's the feeling I got from reading some articles about it.

The gay character in Aftermath was IMO done right. You had no way of knowing it until it became relevant, and then wasn't really mentioned again, because that was just one part of who he was, and not the thing that defined him.

Batgirl is Lesbian now? Have they retired Barbara Gorden again or just had her randomly come out of the closet? Are you sure you aren't thinking of the new 52 Batwoman? I never read her pre-52 comics but the few 52 issues I read made it clear that she was Lesbian so I thought Cassandra had always been Lesbian.

And yeah in my experience reboots changing the ethnicity or gender of characters rarely leads to anything good. It is better just to make all new characters if you want a character of a different ethnicity or gender in a role IMO.

He's either thinking of Batwoman, who is a new character, or Catwoman, who they made bi.

Catwoman wasn't big before? Huh I always thought she was.

He's either thinking of Batwoman, who is a new character, or Catwoman, who they made bi.

It seems you're right, I just remember seeing some stuff about it online, and how the whole reason they did that was to seem more socially relevant. Don't really want to derail this with discussion of that, but even per the Wiki page for Batwoman, the DC editor staff said they did it intentionally. IMO 'reaching out to a wider audience' is far too often a nice way of saying pandering.

I think my issue with it was that the way DC handled it, made it kinda clear they did it solely for the sake of the PR and to create buzz. DC made a big deal about her being a lesbian, and that's what I took issue with.

If they had simply released the comic and happened to have her as a lesbian, and not said anything then I'd have a different opinion on it.

I watched Supergirl with my wife and I had a few character developments that I did and didn't like.

I like how Kara develops and comes into her own in the first episode. I like how she has doubts about her powers and works to realize that she can be a hero just like her cousin

I like how Ally Mcbeal is now her boss.

I had to adjust to Jimmy's change (only because I hadn't consider the possibility and didn't know that was coming) but I like how he is now a self assured photographer.

What I didn't like is that she has kept a secret that only her family knows and by the end of the episode, her sister's boss, Jimmy and her guy friend all now know the secret. Oh, and all of that secret government organization knows who has the super-powered sister. I bet next episode will be the janitor of the secret facility saying "hey Kara!" since everybody now knows. Yet Superman still is secret to everyone.

Also, if I was the guy running the government anti super people coalition I would not make my first interaction with Supergirl one where I shoot her out of the sky. You don't shoot your allies! She was on her way to help people in a burning building, which they knew about her hero patterns and decided to shoot her out of the sky with tranquil darts. Really, at range, at night, through the cityscape. And what about the burning people?

What if she decided to just stop and say I don't want any part of this and hung up her cape? Really, picking a fight with Supergirl to show who's got the biggest @#$%. It served no purpose whatsoever and made the government guys look like children with toys with their approach to handling super powered people.

I'll tune in to watch how the next episode goes. I will state this, it is off to a better start than Heroes Reborn...

What I didn't like is that she has kept a secret that only her family knows and by the end of the episode, her sister's boss, Jimmy and her guy friend all now know the secret.

Well her family knew who she was and what she could do. But she wasn't really doing anything so there wasn't anything to tell. But now that she's put on the tights, that's a different thing.

Also her sister's boss already knew who she was, the whole reason Alex was recruited was because she was Kara's sister. Jimmy also already knew because Superman told him. So the only person she really told was her friend.

Also, if I was the guy running the government anti super people coalition I would not make my first interaction with Supergirl one where I shoot her out of the sky.

I agree, I didn't care for his character at all. I just finished season 1 of Arrow last night, started watching it when it first came out but didn't get into it. But the way that Det Lance reacted to the Hood made sense to me. But I just can't see people reacting the same to Superman, and by extension Supergirl. They're not vigilantes like the Hood is/was, and given their power level they are someone you'd want on your side.

Yet he came off xenophobic which is an odd trait for someone who leads a team that deals with super powered and alien beings. He seems to blame Kara for the prison reaching earth, as it was somehow her fault...

2nd episode ironed out a lot of the kinks of the pilot. I do like how Kara actually remembers Krypton.

I didn't get to see it. Was playing SWLCG with a friend then was getting caught up on the Dr. Who I missed. Glad to hear it wasn't just the pilot that was good.

Yeah, Melissa Benoist is just great in the role. And they already had a confrontation with Astra. Which was a fun fight.

Wanted to bump this.

Finally got to watch the last two episodes last night, and the show has gotten a ton better, which I think is at least sorta impressive since it's only episode 5 now.

The special effects and fights are getting a lot better, which is nice. But more importantly the story is getting better and the characters have shown a huge improvement.

The thing I care the least for right now is the whole love triangle/square thing. Jimmy is with Lucy, but Kara loves Jimmy, and Winn loves Kara... However my issue with it mostly is how tired I am of that trope I guess.

Cat Grant on the other hand has gone from a character I just couldn't stand, because she was such a massive stereotype to real person and a decent character. I don't mind the 'white ritch b***' character so much but in the first few episodes it was so far over the top I just couldn't stand it. Now she's at least two dimensional if not a full three.

My youngest daugher loves the show so I'm glad it has some strong female role models in it. I like the dynamic between Kra and Alex, and their mother, my wife really appreciated the thanksgiving episode.

The other thing I liked was how Cat came down on Livewire for how she attacked another woman, and how she grilled her son about why he liked Supergirl so much, wanting to make sure it wasn't just hormones on his part. The joke about her legs making her a great was a nice touch too.

The Livewire episode was great. Can't wait for her to return. The delayed episode was definitely the beginning of the shift to the great Livewire episode. Though I'm not a big fan of how many "big threats" that are looming. Though I am glad it isn't "Astra's prison escapees" of the week.

The delayed episode was definitely the beginning of the shift to the great Livewire episode.

I actually watched them in the 'correct' order. My DVR lists them in episode order, not air date order, so I watched the delayed one first.

Though I'm not a big fan of how many "big threats" that are looming.

Yeah, and it's interesting that the DEO boss is something. I remember hearing something about them doing Steel, so that might be how they're going to do it.

Something else I liked was how Kara had to stop that escaped alien at the start of one show. It's nice to see these types of little meaningless encounters rather than have everything be bit threats.

Well, in the comics, Henshaw is

. I think the Red Tornado episode may clear up a few things with Henshaw.

Though dear god, Red Tornado looks horrible.

My friend said it's not doing great in the ratings.

Don't want to start watching it if it's getting cancelled.

It's doing okay. It isn't certain if the ratings have stabilized yet, though Mon may have been a blip. And there are about 7 hour long shows that have lower average ratings than what Supergirl got Mon.

But then again, Galavant got renewed, so who the hell knows. (I'm glad, but realistically, it shouldn't have been)

To digress a bit, and this may sound a bit prudish...

But one thing that bothers me is when a show uses sex to sell it. Because it comes off far too often as the producers behind the show don't think it can stand on it's own merit so they need to sex it up to get people to watch it.

Two IMO blatant examples of this are Spartacus and Lost Girl. In both cases sex makes sense, Lost Girl is about a succubus, and the other Rome where that was likely how things really went.

But both bordered on or even crossed the line to softcore porn, and IMO both shows were good enough that they didn't need to make it so blatant. In fact I think both shows would of been better off without it, because they would of reached a broader audience.

Lost Girls was IMO the worse, because it was a great show, with a cool background and good cast. Again the fact that she feeds on sex isn't lost on me, but they could've been more discreet with it, and still had the same effect. Plus they really seemed to do it solely for the sake of ratings and it seemed fairly clear that's why. It had this feeling of 'well the show can only make it if we have smoking hot women making out with each other'

So I appreciate that Supergirl is activating avoiding having eye candy and truly letting the heroine stand on her own.

The CW has been known to have a lot of shirtless men scenes that were needless (Arrow, for instance).

I think the most recent and blatantly obvious culprit of the "Sex Sells" attitude was Jessica Jones. Entirely too many sexytime scenes that really didn't need to be shown (at least things were covered). It got to an awkward amount of scenes, I was glad when I got into the second half of the series and that stuff was entirely cut out for actual plot.

My friend said it's not doing great in the ratings.

Don't want to start watching it if it's getting cancelled.

Wasn't Agents of SHIELD doing poor in ratings for like, an entire season? It's on season 3 now. I have a feeling CBS is going to push for Supergirl as much as they feasibly can. After all, it won't just get cancelled out of the blue... It's not on FOX.

Last season wasn't particularly great for Shield, but I wouldn't call them bad. Though, many despaired due to high expectations.

To digress a bit, and this may sound a bit prudish...

But one thing that bothers me is when a show uses sex to sell it. Because it comes off far too often as the producers behind the show don't think it can stand on it's own merit so they need to sex it up to get people to watch it.

Two IMO blatant examples of this are Spartacus and Lost Girl. In both cases sex makes sense, Lost Girl is about a succubus, and the other Rome where that was likely how things really went.

But both bordered on or even crossed the line to softcore porn, and IMO both shows were good enough that they didn't need to make it so blatant. In fact I think both shows would of been better off without it, because they would of reached a broader audience.

Lost Girls was IMO the worse, because it was a great show, with a cool background and good cast. Again the fact that she feeds on sex isn't lost on me, but they could've been more discreet with it, and still had the same effect. Plus they really seemed to do it solely for the sake of ratings and it seemed fairly clear that's why. It had this feeling of 'well the show can only make it if we have smoking hot women making out with each other'

So I appreciate that Supergirl is activating avoiding having eye candy and truly letting the heroine stand on her own.

The CW has been known to have a lot of shirtless men scenes that were needless (Arrow, for instance).

I think the most recent and blatantly obvious culprit of the "Sex Sells" attitude was Jessica Jones. Entirely too many sexytime scenes that really didn't need to be shown (at least things were covered). It got to an awkward amount of scenes, I was glad when I got into the second half of the series and that stuff was entirely cut out for actual plot.

My friend said it's not doing great in the ratings.

Don't want to start watching it if it's getting cancelled.

Wasn't Agents of SHIELD doing poor in ratings for like, an entire season? It's on season 3 now. I have a feeling CBS is going to push for Supergirl as much as they feasibly can. After all, it won't just get cancelled out of the blue... It's not on FOX.

There was no danger with agents of shield, joss wanted a show to link the movie universe and given the billions he's made Disney they weren't going to say no.

It had a rocky start but one the hydra plot came in it got alot better, season three has been great so far and is easily stronger than arrow which is retreading ground it's already covered, flash is the best dc show by far but it's had some iffy episodes.