Hi all. I am needing some clarification on the Predator Card ruling if someone can help please.

I am relatively new to the game and played a guy running Predator on a PS ship with a value 6. My ships were PS 3, 4 and 6.

Now he claimed that because my ships were more than 2 below his (on the PS 3 and 4) that he rerolled 2 dice. I argued that the card states that the PS value has to be under 2 which all of mine were higher than that so he should have only rolled 1.

I didn't want to make a scene because it was only a game but am I interpreting the card wrong?

The card states:

When attacking, you may reroll 1 attack die. If the defender's pilot skill value is "2" or lower, you may instead reroll up to 2 attack dice.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

He is incorrect. It is in regards to actual printed pilot skill value of 2 or lower, not 2 below your pilot skill.

You were correct.

If the enemy ship's pilot skill is 2 (the actual number two), or lower (so 1 or 0) you get to re-roll 2 dice.

If it is anything else (3 or above) you re-roll one.

It has NOTHING to do with their pilot skill in relation to your pilot skill.

The above responses are correct. Furthermore, if a ship suffers a crit that reduces the pilot skill to zero then you may also reroll 2 dice against that ship with Predator. That is the only way a ship with higher than a PS2 prior to the crit gets 2 dice rerolled against it with Predator. I verified this with a judge at nationals when the situation arose.

The below poster will also, probably, be correct.

The above poster will not be correct.

The below poster will also, probably, be correct.

The above poster will not be correct.

Gotta love infinite loop paradox.

Don't forget Mux will reduce a pilot skill to zero, and predator will get you the two re.roll

I am genuinely at a loss as to how people misunderstand what, for all intents and purposes, is basic English comprehension. Are education standards slipping, or is it willing misinterpretation in order to gain an advantage (also known as "cheating")?

Thanks for the clarification. I am glad I questioned it as that is how I understood it. It was a shame as I gave him the benefit of doubt on it as he has played lots more than me. He's going to love it when I clarify it next time he uses it against me. He's also going to like it when I pulled him up on changing die more than once as well.

He's also going to like it when I pulled him up on changing die more than once as well.

To clarify for you, you can MODIFY (use abilities or tokens to change) a dice as much as you like. But you can only RE-ROLL a dice one. So for example, you can re-roll a dice, use a focus to change that focus result to a hit and THEN use a card's ability to change that hit to a crit.

But you couldn't use Han's ability to re-roll all your dice and then use Predator on a dice or two.

I am actually curious what his response will be.

Will he accept it or still try to debate it

I've dealt with some players who in the past would still not accept they are wrong.

Even when it couldn't be more clear.

Some people will do anything to win, sadly enough

I am genuinely at a loss as to how people misunderstand what, for all intents and purposes, is basic English comprehension. Are education standards slipping, or is it willing misinterpretation in order to gain an advantage (also known as "cheating")?

I don't know the guy, so I admit it could be a honest mistake, but still, it wouldn't surprise me

In my experience it's always worth double checking, especially against someone who is more experienced. A lot of times people get over confident on their rules knowledge when they have been playing for a while, especially when they think they are playing someone with less experience (speaking with experience on both sides).

He's going to love it when I clarify it next time he uses it against me. He's also going to like it when I pulled him up on changing die more than once as well.

You should definitely bring it up before the next game starts. Goes a long way toward avoiding conflicts.

My diplomatic way of doing it..

I watched a YouTube video and they did this.. I though huh is that right? So I checked on the forum and yeah that is how it should be. Saves saying "oi you were wrong" or having to explain checking up on him.

In my experience it's always worth double checking, especially against someone who is more experienced. A lot of times people get over confident on their rules knowledge when they have been playing for a while, especially when they think they are playing someone with less experience (speaking with experience on both sides).

I've actually found that some players will equate number of games played to be a level of knowledge, when quite often this isn't the case. Some will quite innocently think that because they've being playing for so long that they must be the "rules guru", when in fact they've actually being doing a couple of things wrong all that time, and no one has dared question the "rules guru".

And then there's the few that think they can get one over on the newer players and claim it was an honest mistake after the game.

Annoyingly, I've encountered both types, but I always dare to question the "rules guru" these days when something doesn't sound right. There's a guy at my local gaming club that is notorious for only reading half the rules on any given game, and when I saw he'd hooked half a dozen youngsters into a game of World War I aerial combat, I noticed that all the players were busy ramming each other out of the sky. No one was getting shot down at all. I had a look at their 10-page rulebook, and couldn't find any rules for ramming at all, so I asked him why they were ramming each other. He explained that that's what happened when you overlapped another aircraft. He looked pretty stupid when I said it's not like that in the rules. It was very similar to X-wing actually. There was no instant death, you just weren't allowed to shoot at that aircraft. The "rules guru" didn't know the rules at all.

This sort of player can sometimes be very detrimental to a gaming community as they can give newbies a bad impression of a game, either by their lack of knowledge, or by simply cheating in order to beat a newbie (which is pretty sad). We should be doing everything we can to promote a good fun game, be it X-Wing, World War I, or whatever. The hobby needs more players so we can all enjoy more games.

Well I will find out his reaction tonight on this - I am just going to approach him straight up and let him know I asked about it and he has interpreted it incorrectly.

It's funny they are doing a 10 week tournament at our local Game Shop for new players like me and my son to get into this game. Each week more points are played and more of the game is explored. This happened on the second week. Can't wait to see what happens on the third week. Next time I am going to get the organiser in to explain it if there is 'disagreement'.

Thanks also for the post above about rerolling. I knew he couldn't use Target Lock and Predator together but I was over the match at this point. Using Target Lock and Focus though is legal which was what I thought. Also from the searches I have done here on the forums modifying dice in the correct sequence is important as well.