what the subject says. FFG created the Raider. Does that now become canon? Or does FFG fall outside of that creative SW universe thingo?

I'd go with "Falls outside (or at least, into Legendsverse) until proven otherwise".

Wookieepedia seems to be going the same way - there's a Legendsverse article for the Raider but not a canonverse article.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Raider-class_corvette

According to statements made by LFL, everything created for Star Wars after the buyout is part of the new canon. This would include the Raider and a lot of people have argued that way.

However, that argument assumes that a vector for new material as niche as a miniature wargame was something the people who made that statement were even aware of, much less that they intended to include it.

To me it is much more likely that when they said that they were thinking of books and comics and maaaaybe video games, and that's it.

Until someone in authority to say specifically confirms that something in an FFG game but not in any other canon source is canon, or the raider shows up in another canon source, we just don't know for certain.

I, personally, would love to see the raider show up in some book and comics. It would give me a lot more faith that the story group is actually doing its job.

Keep in mind, that if content published by FFG is, in fact, canon, that means that a lot of EU characters and ships have also been re-canonized.

If that includes the Raider......

Hmmm...

Juno Eclipse was in that pack.

Juno Eclipse was in The Force Unleashed!

Therefore - STARKILLER! SAM WITWER SHALL RISE AGAIN!

Juno Eclipse was in that pack.

Juno Eclipse was in The Force Unleashed!

Therefore - STARKILLER! SAM WITWER SHALL RISE AGAIN!

Not necessarily, all it would confirm is that Juno Eclipse piloted a TIE Advanced, presumably as leader of Vader's Black Eight.

Now when FFG releases the Rogue Shadow with a Starkiller crew card...

You can't have Juno with Galen. They are like Han and Chewie. Like Lando and Lobot. Like Owen and Beru. Like Panthro and his Nunchucks.

If a dumb clash of clans clone like Star Wars Commander is considered Canon then why not?

FFG products are not canon.

Raider is canon though as it was mentioned in the book Lost Stars.

FFG products are not canon.

Raider is canon though as it was mentioned in the book Lost Stars.

It was? Details?

Pretty sure everything they make is canon. Everything they put into this game has too go through LFL and be approved to be used. If it was noncanon FFG could use whatever they want however they want in their game. LFL even had the TIE Punishers name changed, it was Interdictor. Theres no point in being that picky in details if the product isnt even canon.

See with the Old Republic add-ons, LFL will not step in to dictate what goes into those because they have said that the dlc takes place in another SW world, or close to it. So we do have an expample of them not stepping in to direct SW material when its "non-canon." We don't see LFL not stepping in to approve or disapprove what does and doesn't make it into this game or any FFG SW game for that matter.

On top of that hasbro was given orders by LFL to only make canon products, this was like a littile after the time that LFL was bought by Disney. Hasbro goes through the same ordeal when they pick and produce material from the SW licence and everything they make is canon. That makes me happy because not to long after this information was leaked hasbro made the Shadow Guards from Star Wars the Force Unleashed as well as Storm Commandos and Black Hole Troopers.

Sorry. Couldn't resist

I still haven't seen a convincing explanation why Star Wars commander is, and FFG isn't Canon

LFL even had the TIE Punishers name changed, it was Interdictor. Theres no point in being that picky in details if the product isnt even canon.

I guess we know exactly why that happened now, though. What with an Interdictor appearing in Rebels and whatnot.

LFL even had the TIE Punishers name changed, it was Interdictor. Theres no point in being that picky in details if the product isnt even canon.

I guess we know exactly why that happened now, though. What with an Interdictor appearing in Rebels and whatnot.

Are they really? That doesnt make sense... its an advanced model it shouldnt be around yet.

Are they really? That doesnt make sense... its an advanced model it shouldnt be around yet.

The model (Immobilizer 418) was referenced in Tarkin, which is set only 5 years after ROTS.

Rebels is 10 years after Tarkin.

And in Heir to the Jedi, set very shortly after ANH (a couple of weeks or so) - the Immobilizer 418 production has actually been discontinued due to vulnerabilities (though there's still plenty in service) with the Empire having began to introduce Star Destroyers with gravity projectors.

The reference is at the Battle of Jakku:

LFL even had the TIE Punishers name changed, it was Interdictor. Theres no point in being that picky in details if the product isnt even canon.

I guess we know exactly why that happened now, though. What with an Interdictor appearing in Rebels and whatnot.

Are they really? That doesnt make sense... its an advanced model it shouldnt be around yet.

You must unlearn what you have learned.

It is around, therefore it should be around.

FFG products are not canon.

Raider is canon though as it was mentioned in the book Lost Stars.

It was? Details?

It was just mentioned one-off. Can't remember the specifics but they were like Imperial Raiders incoming or something like that.

Pretty sure everything they make is canon. Everything they put into this game has too go through LFL and be approved to be used.

So Loopin' Chewie is canon? Sweet! :D

This had to be approved by LFL to be used by Hasbro. Canon.

P.S. This game is amazing.

FFG products are not canon.

Raider is canon though as it was mentioned in the book Lost Stars.

It was? Details?

The reference is at the Battle of Jakku:

If she could convince Grand Moff Randd to split up the fleet, maybe even send one of the twenty-gun raiders into the atmosphere to support the TIE fighters battling near the planet's surface - at the very least they'd shake the rebels up. They desperately needed any advantage they could claim.

Hmmm. Not convinced that was actually intended to refer to the "Raider class" vessel and not just "ships that perform raids", but its something.

FFG products are not canon.

Raider is canon though as it was mentioned in the book Lost Stars.

It was? Details?

The reference is at the Battle of Jakku:

If she could convince Grand Moff Randd to split up the fleet, maybe even send one of the twenty-gun raiders into the atmosphere to support the TIE fighters battling near the planet's surface - at the very least they'd shake the rebels up. They desperately needed any advantage they could claim.

Hmmm. Not convinced that was actually intended to refer to the "Raider class" vessel and not just "ships that perform raids", but its something.

haha yeah I felt the same way. Wasn't very explicit. When Alex Davy was at our store championship last year we talked about it and he said how their stuff isn't canon (sorry just remembered this) and mentioned how the raider is about as canon as it comes without actually being canon. And he'd be "tickled' if it showed up in a show or comic or something.

Pretty sure everything they make is canon. Everything they put into this game has too go through LFL and be approved to be used.

So Loopin' Chewie is canon? Sweet! :D

This had to be approved by LFL to be used by Hasbro. Canon.

P.S. This game is amazing.

All you get out of this game is that Chewie flew the Falcon... So guess it would be canon.

haha yeah I felt the same way. Wasn't very explicit. When Alex Davy was at our store championship last year we talked about it and he said how their stuff isn't canon (sorry just remembered this) and mentioned how the raider is about as canon as it comes without actually being canon. And he'd be "tickled' if it showed up in a show or comic or something.

We have seen how LFL gets involved with non-canon material, they don't get invovled, I kinda doubt Alexy Davy said all the FFG, or at the least X-Wing material, is non-canon. If it was non-canon LFL wouldn't get invovled at all with the material FFG is producing, as it wouldn't effect the canon to begin with.

LFL wouldn't give a rat's behind about canon or non-canon products. It's only the fans that worry about such details. Their concern would be, is it wearing the Star Wars brand? China has produced kids toys for years that look like they could be from Star Wars, but the moment they brand it as such, the LFL legal team swing into action.

Because FFG are actively marketing games under the Star Wars branding, they must seek approval from LFL and Disney before releasing it to the market. And just because FFG dream something up and LFL and Disney approve it, doesn't make it canon. Disney were the villains that bought the franchise then declared anything not in the movies or Clone Wars series to be irrelevant and therefore no longer canon. So it's pretty clear where they stand. As far as Disney is concerned, it must have appeared on film. But in the end, what does it matter?

LFL wouldn't give a rat's behind about canon or non-canon products. It's only the fans that worry about such details. Their concern would be, is it wearing the Star Wars brand? China has produced kids toys for years that look like they could be from Star Wars, but the moment they brand it as such, the LFL legal team swing into action.

Because FFG are actively marketing games under the Star Wars branding, they must seek approval from LFL and Disney before releasing it to the market. And just because FFG dream something up and LFL and Disney approve it, doesn't make it canon. Disney were the villains that bought the franchise then declared anything not in the movies or Clone Wars series to be irrelevant and therefore no longer canon. So it's pretty clear where they stand. As far as Disney is concerned, it must have appeared on film. But in the end, what does it matter?

What you wrote doesn't follow the actions we have seen LFL take towards non-canon products, which is not getting involved with the project with said product.

Also Disney / LFL didn't decanonize all the past material. Its now secondary canon, and its only the fine details that may become non-canon. Also in an article they wrote that canon has a diffrent meaning to them than it does to the fans. Hence why everything in the past is secondary canon, since it both happens and or still holds a bit of truth in the new series even if it contradicted.

Like I said, 'canon' only matters to hard core fans.

The topic asks do FFG products become canon? Unless they appear on film, then no. But does it make a difference? Or even matter? Does having 'canon' status change anything?

Like I said, 'canon' only matters to hard core fans.

The topic asks do FFG products become canon? Unless they appear on film, then no. But does it make a difference? Or even matter? Does having 'canon' status change anything?

The products don't have to appear on film to be canon.