Is it allowed in tournament play??? Also must you roll dices on FFG Playmate not a tray or box....??? I played in my first tournament this weekend...One person was rolling his dices into a tray and not letting the other person roll into and then another person was rolling dice out of rolling cup...just wanted to know for future....

Dice cups, dice towers and trays are all perfectly legal. Not sure about the player that refused to share the use of his tray, though. That strikes me as a bit odd and I'd love to know the reasoning behind it.

Dice cups, dice towers and trays are all perfectly legal. Not sure about the player that refused to share the use of his tray, though. That strikes me as a bit odd and I'd love to know the reasoning behind it.

That does seem sketchy.

Does FFG let it happen at there games???

Does FFG let it happen at there games???

I've used them and seen them used at the Nationals event at GenCon, which is run by FFG. The only weird thing is the player who wouldn't share, and I would expect that (as with rulers and maneuver templates) the rule would be that players can ask to use the same tray/tower/etc.

Well, if you go back to the rules, it just says roll, not roll by hand. As long as the results are clear to everyone, wouldnt bother me. Though, I prefer a cup to a box or tower since it removes an element that could be used to cheat - magnetic dice mods with tower or box.

There's no requirement to roll on an FFG playmat, simply because not everybody would have one. There's not even a requirement to roll into the play area. I've seen plenty of games where the players prefer to roll to the side of the play area simply to avoid knocking the ship models.

It's a personal preference thing I guess, and as long as each die rolls or tumbles to generate a random result, you're fine. I have heard of players carefully lining dice up on their hand and being very particular about which side is facing up before letting them roll off their hand onto the table. I consider this to be 'dice fixing' and I'd insist the player roll them properly. The other dodgy method is the careful line up (as above) followed by the quick slap down on the table, then carefully lift the hand to reveal the results. This one is just plain cheating in my book, as the dice aren't rolled at all.

So there's really nothing wrong with a cup, tray or dice tower. If you suspect something is amiss, like a player not willing to share, you're allowed to examine the components if you want. If they refuse to let you check them, then something is being hidden and a TO should be consulted immediately.

Thank you for the information... I think its best to just roll with your hand...I don't like the idea of any of the other said items...maybe FFG NEEDS TO SET A RULE...

Thank you for the information... I think its best to just roll with your hand...I don't like the idea of any of the other said items...maybe FFG NEEDS TO SET A RULE...

I don't think they need to rule on it, but like I said, if you think something is wrong, feel free to question a TO about it.

And I agree with you, rolling by hand is the best way to play.

Thank you for the information... I think its best to just roll with your hand...I don't like the idea of any of the other said items...maybe FFG NEEDS TO SET A RULE...

They don't need a specific rule, they already have one that works.

Tournament Rules, Page 4

"The head judge is the final authority on any component’s eligibility in the tournament."

To me the best way to roll the dice would be shaken in a shared cup then dumped into a bounded tray with uneven sides. It should be nearly impossible to cheat that and with a fixed rolling area it's easy to know where to go for results.

To me the best way to roll the dice would be shaken in a shared cup then dumped into a bounded tray with uneven sides. It should be nearly impossible to cheat that and with a fixed rolling area it's easy to know where to go for results.

Two X-Wing players, one cup?

To me the best way to roll the dice would be shaken in a shared cup then dumped into a bounded tray with uneven sides. It should be nearly impossible to cheat that and with a fixed rolling area it's easy to know where to go for results.

Two X-Wing players, one cup?

This is why we can't have nice things.

you can even use an app on your phone or tablet

To me the best way to roll the dice would be shaken in a shared cup then dumped into a bounded tray with uneven sides. It should be nearly impossible to cheat that and with a fixed rolling area it's easy to know where to go for results.

Two X-Wing players, one cup?

I see what you did there....

Of course the intent is that all of the dice are getting randomized the same way with not advantage going to either side. I guess the best thing may be to have a neutral third party do all of the actual rolling for each side as well; it would be a pain and shouldn't alter the dice outcome one bit but it would give you something else to blame when things don't go your way.

I see dice towers and trays and cups used all the time. Increasingly, especially when space is tight, I even see the Dice App being used, and have done so myself.

To answer the OP question, there is nothing in the rules that forbids players from using dice towers, trays, cups, or similar devices.

I think before every game we mix up all our dice than pick one at a time back to our orginal count

Two X-Wing players, one cup?

I see what you did there...

The problem is unseeing it.

A dice roll is a dice roll... even if you rub your hands together like your making a campfire with 2 sticks and forgot your bow at home. And then there are those that try to spin them in the air so they spike like a football. As long as I can randomize them in my cupped hands and get a little tumble on the mat, I am happy. Dice flops are usually bad. But BIG dice rolls across the mat are always fun when they come up with damage splats.

I've seen lots of different techniques over the many years I've been gaming, but the one I find most annoying is the high toss, as when they come down something inevitably gets damaged. I've had dents in game boards, chipped paint on models, but broken models is the one that really gets me wound up.

Seriously, what's wrong with just rattling them around in your hands and then casting them onto a clear area of the table. How hard is that?

To me the best way to roll the dice would be shaken in a shared cup then dumped into a bounded tray with uneven sides. It should be nearly impossible to cheat that and with a fixed rolling area it's easy to know where to go for results.

Two X-Wing players, one cup?

If there's enough alcohol in the cup don't worry about bacterial infections.

If there's enough alcohol in the cup, you tend not to worry too much about the game!

If there's enough alcohol in the cup, you tend not to worry too much about the game!

And then don't the dice start rolling even when you aren't even doing something with them?

If there's enough alcohol in the cup, you tend not to worry too much about the game!

And then don't the dice start rolling even when you aren't even doing something with them?

Wow... you've seen that too?! I thought it was just me!

The Force flows through you, me, and the dice. Feel the force. The dice are calling... lol.

Seriously, during my first two games I found myself rolling dice and I thought, "what the hell for? That's got to be not just distracting, but annoying too." Now I go out of my way to not even bump the dice when picking them up in fear of using up my good dice roll.