Could the Gozanti be what Han talked about?

By Salted Diamond, in X-Wing Off-Topic

Was rewatching Episode IV while looking at the upcome releases. It is stated somewhere that the Gozanti is a CEC (Corellian Engineering Corporation) design. I'm just now getting into Rebels , the animation style bugs me, and it seems that the Gozanti is a partol ship. I feel it would be a small leap to think it would be common to use them in the outer rim where Tatooine is located. When Han tells Luke and Obi-wan that "I've outrun Imperial starships, not the local bulk crusiers mind you. I'm talking about the big correllian ships" While not big by the standards of the fleet, it would probably be known to most locals and considered big by their standards of what imperial ships frequent that system.

While I know this is conjecture, does anyone else see something like this added to the cannon somehow/somewhere?

Everything Han says concerning space travel, space ships, astronavigation and pretty much anything except smuggling is 100% bluff. The backstory of Han being an ex-imperial cadet is less likely than the possibility of him being a world-weary orphan that has BS'd his way through the criminal underworld and who changed his name to 'Solo' just cause it sounded cool.

With that, Han probably meant something akin to Star Destroyers or something that's much bigger than a Corvette. He has been 'from one end of the Galaxy to the other'.

Edited by GrimmyV

Didn't the story of how Chewie and Han got togeather come from Lucas? How he was an Imperial Officer who got discharged when he prevented Chewies death. I can't remember, but I thought it did.

Edited by Salted Diamond

And Lucas never makes stuff up on the fly with no regard to how it affects stories?

Han's backstory should have remained a mystery, just as Wolverine's should have never been told (and his claws should have never been bone).

Also, it's a mistake to assume The Academy and the various imperial academies were the same. But I suppose Han being a cadet for imperial officer training would have put him in the situation of freeing captive wookiees...but that wasn't in my Wookiee Storybook.

Everything Han says concerning space travel, space ships, astronavigation and pretty much anything except smuggling is 100% bluff. The backstory of Han being an ex-imperial cadet is less likely than the possibility of him being a world-weary orphan that has BS'd his way through the criminal underworld and who changed his name to 'Solo' just cause it sounded cool.

With that, Han probably meant something akin to Star Destroyers or something that's much bigger than a Corvette. He has been 'from one end of the Galaxy to the other'.

I think it's still a good back ground for him. He learned/honed his piloting skills from the empire. Know's how the basic officers think and work, which helps him get around them. Once he got dischangred he didn;t have many legitamit job options. He was more than happy to work against them (smuggling to not pay them) after they screwed him on his way out the door.

I think it fits just fine.

Edited by Salted Diamond

It also makes sense that he had military training of some kind. I don't really know of anything in canon which makes him being ex-military unlikely or impossible, much less in the OT.

Edit: Back on topic while it isn't impossible for the Gozanti class to be the Bulk Cruisers Han mentioned in the new canon there is also no solid proof that they are the same class.

Edited by RogueCorona

In the EU book The Essential Guide to Warfare - a mention of unusually fast ISDs being built at Corellian shipyards was a specific nod to Han's ANH line about "big Corellian ships":

http://jasonfry.tumblr.com/post/21728447315/eg-to-warfare-endnotes-pt-4

As to "bulk cruisers" - the West End Games era gave us this:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Neutron_Star-class_bulk_cruiser

which later ended up being used in SW novels as a slow and clunky Imperial capital ship.

Yeah and FFG gave us stats for the stock version rather then the carrier conversion from WEG

Nope.

Local Bulk Cruisers...almost Lothal Bulk Cruisers.

Anyway, Han says 'Corilian' or something like that, unless that's how Corellians pronounce it.

Imperial (class) Star Destoryers aren't the only destroyers out there, and they probably aren't the fastest capital ships in the empire. And we only have WEG thank for making KDY the manufacturer of all Imperial capital ships seen in the OT.

As far as I can tell there were three, possibly four, distinct classes of Star Destroyers and only one example of the 'Super' Star Destoryer in the OT.

The Devastator and other ships in OT were of one class, all sing based on the same model. The Tyrant, the ISD that was shot by the ion cannon on Hoth, was of a similar class but had different armament. The Avenger had similar armament to the Tyrant but had different engine baffles. The fourth type was what is now called the 'Tector' class, and this is supposedly a Destoryer that was present at Endor that lacked the ventral docking bays seen on all other known filmed ISDs, and may have differed in other ways. But out of all that WEG and other early 'reference' material stated only two versions of one 'Imperial' class Star Destroyer...and described them in a way that assumed they were not the 'big Corillian' ships.

And of course we never saw the Bulk Cruisers, so what ever the legends says is ok. I would think bulk cruisers would be bigger than Gozantis though, probably approaching ISDs in size, if not bigger, but lacking in speed and weaponry, probably holdovers from the Old Republic days, even before Palpatine's stint as chancellor.

I'll stop, be pedantic and point out that there certainty were different classes of star destroyer in the OT. Some had no hangars for example, others still had different turbolaser configuration.

Edited by DariusAPB

There are 6 books in the old EU, the first 3 of which have been out since I was a kid. They are pretty much the only EU books I've read. In those he was a disgraced imperial pilot, he rescued chewie, did the Kessel run, etc etc...

Yeah the original Han Solo Adventures and Lando Calrissian Adventures were the first Legends novels I ever read. I read all six shortly before Heir to the Empire came out. I liked the Han books but hated the Lando ones so much that I refused to read any more EU novels for years.

The next one I read was the first book of the Corellian Trilogy and honestly I only read that out of desperation because after school I was stuck at Wal-Mart while mom was working on a fundraiser there, mom had left the Star Trek novel I was reading at home and Ambush at Corellia was the only book the store had which looked remotely interesting that I didn't already own. I liked it enough that I finished that trilogy then picked up Before the Storm and X-Wing: Rogue Squadron when they came out and after reading Rogue Squadron I started catching up on what I had missed.

I've always hoped Lando would get some decent novels but no luck. Among the few results of the Legends purge that I consider good things are being rid of the Lando Calrissian Adventures and the Legends version of the Battle of Tanab which is IMO more like a plot ripped from Home Alone in space then a battle which would prove Lando worthy of being given command of the Alliance attack wings at Endor.

The Han Solo trilogy was good overallthough I think the first book was pretty dumb. Seriously Han wants to get some more piloting experience before applying to the Imperial Academy and the best idea he can come up with to gain that experience is to become a drug smuggler? <sarcasm> I'm sure being arrested for smuggling will be a great help when applying to join the Imperial Navy. </sarcasm> Also a lot of the story of Han's childhood is made much more complicated then it needed to be IMO. Finally I think it would have been better if the events of the first book had been shaved down to half the book with the other half focused on his training and time in the Imperial navy rather then skipping this period completely (Book one ends with him boarding the ship to the academy and book two starts after he has been dishonorably discharged.)

I agree with your assessment of the Han novels. It was a long time ago that I read those but I too was disappointed when he got in the academy then was kicked out of the military. I remember thinking that I had somehow skipped a book and checked the insides of the covers to be sure I hadn't skipped one.

As for the Gozanti, your analysis is spot on except that I don't think you could say it's big. Unfortunately, this is one of those instances of a young Lucas throwing corny lines into the movie without fully appreciating what kind of a monster this little SW thing will become. There are a lot of things like that that you just have to let go. Call it the zen of Star Wars haha. We'll never know what ship was the big, fast Correlian. Just like we'll never know why the turbolaser crew didn't just blast the escape pod for target practice. It's not like they would run out of ammo; correct? Anyway, now Disney is in charge and they will get it 100% correct hahahaha.

Bulk cruiser.

Bulk.

Cruiser.

What tha hell George. Or is 'bulk cruiser' some kind of naval term that I've never heard of outside of ANH? Or did he borrow it from some long forgotten sci fi novel?

I'm guessing they are slow, what ever they are, and 'bulky'. At least they have to be slower and 'fatter' than th Falcon, and sometimes that's a tall order to fill.

Bulk cruiser.

Bulk.

Cruiser.

What tha hell George. Or is 'bulk cruiser' some kind of naval term that I've never heard of outside of ANH? Or did he borrow it from some long forgotten sci fi novel?

I'm guessing they are slow, what ever they are, and 'bulky'. At least they have to be slower and 'fatter' than th Falcon, and sometimes that's a tall order to fill.

It sounds like a transport/warship hybrid - with the "bulk" bit deriving from "bulk freighter" or "bulk carrier"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulk_carrier

Bulk cruiser.

Bulk.

Cruiser.

What tha hell George. Or is 'bulk cruiser' some kind of naval term that I've never heard of outside of ANH? Or did he borrow it from some long forgotten sci fi novel?

I'm guessing they are slow, what ever they are, and 'bulky'. At least they have to be slower and 'fatter' than th Falcon, and sometimes that's a tall order to fill.

It sounds like a transport/warship hybrid - with the "bulk" bit deriving from "bulk freighter" or "bulk carrier"

That's what they actually are in the EU. The carrier conversions don't have much firepower but the stock models pack a decent punch for their size.

I agree with your assessment of the Han novels. It was a long time ago that I read those but I too was disappointed when he got in the academy then was kicked out of the military. I remember thinking that I had somehow skipped a book and checked the insides of the covers to be sure I hadn't skipped one.

I think that, later, in an interview, the author pointed out that Lucasfilm Licencing had declared certain areas "off-limits" with Han's time at the academy, rescue of Chewie, and early childhood, being among them.

I agree with your assessment of the Han novels. It was a long time ago that I read those but I too was disappointed when he got in the academy then was kicked out of the military. I remember thinking that I had somehow skipped a book and checked the insides of the covers to be sure I hadn't skipped one.

I think that, later, in an interview, the author pointed out that Lucasfilm Licencing had declared certain areas "off-limits" with Han's time at the academy, rescue of Chewie, and early childhood, being among them.

If that's true, they had probably planned another trilogy book series to cover at least the academy/naval time and Chewie's capture, enslavement and rescue. I doubt anyone would want to read about a young Han . . . at least I wouldn't.

The Chewbacca comic book did have a "Han saves Chewie's life when he's still an Imperial officer" story - but it's short and only covers that moment.

If that's true, they had probably planned another trilogy book series to cover at least the academy/naval time and Chewie's capture, enslavement and rescue. I doubt anyone would want to read about a young Han . . . at least I wouldn't.

Rumor has it that there will be a Han Solo spin-off movie covering this period, after Episode VII comes out.

I agree with your assessment of the Han novels. It was a long time ago that I read those but I too was disappointed when he got in the academy then was kicked out of the military. I remember thinking that I had somehow skipped a book and checked the insides of the covers to be sure I hadn't skipped one.

I think that, later, in an interview, the author pointed out that Lucasfilm Licencing had declared certain areas "off-limits" with Han's time at the academy, rescue of Chewie, and early childhood, being among them.

If that's true, they had probably planned another trilogy book series to cover at least the academy/naval time and Chewie's capture, enslavement and rescue. I doubt anyone would want to read about a young Han . . . at least I wouldn't.

Certain periods were off limits. The time of the prequels and the period of the new trilogy. They were reserved for the movies, though later the prohibition was loosened a little.