I know this is my first post and that it might draw some heated debate, but I want to get some second opinions on this situation.

I played as NZ nationals last weekend and it was the fourth game, my opponent and I were both 2-1 and playing on Table 4. I was running Dash/Corran and he had Soontir/Vader/Delta. We both deployed on our left flanks. His Soontir was basically right next to his left hand board edge. His Soontir flew straight the first turn and then banked on the second turn. But my opponent had set his dial to bank the wrong direction, a move that would have clearly flown him off the board. My opponent had not noticed this and just banked Soontir inwards. I pointed out to him that his dial was wrong and just told him to double check in the future. It did not occur to me at that time that I possibly should have asked him to fly his Soontir off the board as his dial indicated.

I went on to lose the game and then not make the top cut on MOV.

Should I have made my opponent fly his Soontir off the board? His dial setting was clearly a mistake and I always like to fly casual and all that, but if not on the top tables at nationals when should this type of mistake be penalized?

I know this is my first post and that it might draw some heated debate, but I want to get some second opinions on this situation.

I played as NZ nationals last weekend and it was the fourth game, my opponent and I were both 2-1 and playing on Table 4. I was running Dash/Corran and he had Soontir/Vader/Delta. We both deployed on our left flanks. His Soontir was basically right next to his left hand board edge. His Soontir flew straight the first turn and then banked on the second turn. But my opponent had set his dial to bank the wrong direction, a move that would have clearly flown him off the board. My opponent had not noticed this and just banked Soontir inwards. I pointed out to him that his dial was wrong and just told him to double check in the future. It did not occur to me at that time that I possibly should have asked him to fly his Soontir off the board as his dial indicated.

I went on to lose the game and then not make the top cut on MOV.

Should I have made my opponent fly his Soontir off the board? His dial setting was clearly a mistake and I always like to fly casual and all that, but if not on the top tables at nationals when should this type of mistake be penalized?

In a casual game, let it slide; but at a Regional or National event, sorry, Fel fled the field.

I'm the kind of person to do as you did and simply remind them but allow them to do what I know they intended to do.

However, yes, at Nationals, everyone should be playing at their absolute best.

I think you were just being sporting. Really in a fly casual what you did was perfect... in a tournament competitive event... yeah that's skub. I can see it either way.

Completely up to you. And frankly not anyone else's business.

IMO, you did the right thing. I'm not a fluffy-happy-it's-cool-bro-fly-free player, but in the situation you describe, I would never hold the player to that move.

* It's clearly a mistake of Left and Right, not a mistake of skill.

* There are a number of reasons it could happen, such as dyslexia or a simple neurological fuzziness of Left and Right.

* None of these reasons deserves to be punished when the intent is clear.

So, again, you did the right thing. There will be people who tell you that whether you did the right thing depends on the level of the tournament, or the prizes at stake, or any number of other things. It doesn't. It was the right thing because of the reasons you instinctively knew, which I've listed above, and those don't change because a tournament has a different name.

Given its the opening moves, i'd have let it slide.

Because if i didnt i'd be removing 30 per cent of the opponents force from the off and pretty much guaranteeing a win for myself and even if it was a really big show... if i won because of that i'd feel a bit crappy about it.

I actually need a game to be fun and a challenge and 'walkover' games would just be boring for me.

I think you did a good thing and i wouldnt worry about it. its done now.

Completely up to you. And frankly not anyone else's business.

Seconded. Not sure what I would do in your shoes.

Make him fly if the board and so long as your not celebrating and being an ass about winning the game afterwards. His mistake and he's gotta live with it.

You let him keep playing and if you go on to lose with dignity, well, good on ya. Probably better to lose an honest game than win on such a bone-head mistake? You're the only one that can make that call.

Just out of curiousity, what was his response when you let him make his move correctly. Was he indignant or gateful for your charity?

Just out of curiousity, what was his response when you let him make his move correctly. Was he indignant or gateful for your charity?

And this is why I said it was skub.....

Completely up to you. And frankly not anyone else's business.

Seconded. Not sure what I would do in your shoes.

Make him fly if the board and so long as your not celebrating and being an ass about winning the game afterwards. His mistake and he's gotta live with it.

You let him keep playing and if you go on to lose with dignity, well, good on ya. Probably better to lose an honest game than win on such a bone-head mistake? You're the only one that can make that call.

I agree. I played in the Massing of Sullust tournament where my opponent accidentally flew the edge of his Assault Frigate off the board. I let him change his maneuver. Some would say that was or wasn't the right thing to do. Ultimately, I ended up beating him and the win was soooo much more rewarding than if I had just forced a RAW ruling on him. And I think it generated a more positive game experience for him.

If I lost, however, I'm sure I'd be beating myself up over the decision :-)

Just out of curiousity, what was his response when you let him make his move correctly. Was he indignant or gateful for your charity?

And this is why I said it was skub.....

I don't know what "skub" means.

I've seen it happen a couple of times. Each time though it's the player who set the dial who has noticed. They've immediately owned up, their opponent has offered to allow a change to be made, offer refused and flown off board (or into an asteroid etc).

So far everyone's seen the funny side, rolled with it and laughed it off (while vowing to never, ever do it again...)

Just out of curiousity, what was his response when you let him make his move correctly. Was he indignant or gateful for your charity?

And this is why I said it was skub.....

I don't know what "skub" means.

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You are an awesome person. If I was the TO. I would have givin you the best sportsmanship award. Really I would. It's just a game. Fly casual.

They've immediately owned up, their opponent has offered to allow a change to be made, offer refused and flown off board (or into an asteroid etc).

So far everyone's seen the funny side, rolled with it and laughed it off (while vowing to never, ever do it again...)

This! As the person in the OP's situation, I'm probably not going to make the guy fly major proportion of his list of the board. But as the guy... I'd always suck it up and move my ship as the dial indicates. I've made mistakes in both tournament and casual play (flying off the board, forgetting to de-cloak, not taking focus tokens, etc.) and always stand by them if my opponent offers to let me take them back. It's the only way you learn not to do it again!

Why do you doubt yourself?

Fair play shows character.

I supervised a lot of personnel, 28.5 years in the USN and 7.5 years jail supervisor, I rather to see character than win at any cost. I had a lot of win at any cost personnel behind the bars and hardly any that had character.

Moral character or character is an evaluation of a particular individual's stable moral qualities. The concept of character can imply a variety of attributes including the existence or lack of virtues such as empathy, courage, fortitude, honesty, and loyalty, or of good behaviors or habits.

Sir, you did show character. Well done.

I probably would have let Soontir change the dial in the opening moves like that, but I have no bad feelings for anyone who wouldn't. In my book, I want to beat them at their best.

Later in the game, when I could be less sure of intent, I don't think I would be as forgiving.

I know this is my first post and that it might draw some heated debate, but I want to get some second opinions on this situation.

I played as NZ nationals last weekend and it was the fourth game, my opponent and I were both 2-1 and playing on Table 4. I was running Dash/Corran and he had Soontir/Vader/Delta. We both deployed on our left flanks. His Soontir was basically right next to his left hand board edge. His Soontir flew straight the first turn and then banked on the second turn. But my opponent had set his dial to bank the wrong direction, a move that would have clearly flown him off the board. My opponent had not noticed this and just banked Soontir inwards. I pointed out to him that his dial was wrong and just told him to double check in the future. It did not occur to me at that time that I possibly should have asked him to fly his Soontir off the board as his dial indicated.

I went on to lose the game and then not make the top cut on MOV.

Should I have made my opponent fly his Soontir off the board? His dial setting was clearly a mistake and I always like to fly casual and all that, but if not on the top tables at nationals when should this type of mistake be penalized?

Before you crash your plane into the ship, remember to yell at the top of your lungs, "Sink without fail!" and all the cherry blossoms at Yamaguchi Shrine in Tokyo will smile brightly upon you.

Yes, you should have flown your opponent off the map. You robbed yourself of an autowin OP. I always double check my dials so that they're in my intended direction, if your opponent is too incompetent to do that then let that be his downfall.

It's your call..

About 18 months ago, I was in a tournament, guy across from me is flying a tie swarm. He deployed Howlrunner facing backwards (IE, towards his board edge).

After deployment, I noticed and asked if he meant to do that, obviously he didn't, and flipped his ship around.

The next round, at the table next to ours, I saw a different guy do the same thing against someone else. His opponent didn't alert him until he went to move his ship. Turn one, he lost Jonus (which was kinda key in a Jonus/Jenden/Bomber build.

Different strokes. I don't want to win that way. That said, in a tournament, especially a premiere event you are completely in your rights to make him fly off the board. Had it been a National's level tourney, I"m not sure what i would have done in your case.

Yeah, it's your call. What you did was definitely a nice thing to do, and in the same situation I would of likely done the same thing.

But you were completely in your rights to insist that he remove that ship from the game since he did in fact fly off the table. Anyone who would of thought less of you for doing so is IMO the true example of poor sportsmanship.

I probably would have let Soontir change the dial in the opening moves like that, but I have no bad feelings for anyone who wouldn't. ...

Exactly this. Would not have bad feelings if someone didn't.

In one of my regional matches the opponent set the wrong bank right into his other ships. I just told him to change it because it was obvious that he didn't want to do that.

Fly casual.

I remember at my regionals the table next to me a guy deployed his YT-2400 backwards, first turn 2 forward: straight off the board edge.

THAT got loud.

Question related to this, if someone did a straight move, but had setup so that they weren't parallel to the board edge, and had their base slightly off the edge, would you guys do the same thing?

Question related to this, if someone did a straight move, but had setup so that they weren't parallel to the board edge, and had their base slightly off the edge, would you guys do the same thing?

If the ship "looked" parallel prior to the move and a straight maneuver somehow ends up with a ship slightly off the edge after turn 1 straight maneuver I think you really should allow for "wiggliness" in placing template etc. That is an different animal entirely.