I probably would have done the same as long as: no shots had been fired, OR, we weren't after the cut.

The first implies an easy mental mistake that facilitates fast play and that IS worth a lot to me in the first 2-3 rounds. The second I say because we're no longer at the casual level of play; I'm more competitive than that and I know I would hate myself for a good long time if I did it. I have done it and unless my opponent protests I live with my dial choice.

I think you really should allow for "wiggliness" in placing template etc.

Yeah I'd allow for the ship to be nudged/wiggled/whatever that changed the angle in that case. But I'd likely feel differently if it happened after 6 or so turns, because they it was more a matter of poor spatial judgement then the ship getting nudged.

First turn or before combat I think I'd be pretty forgiving (even at a premier event). Just for the sheer fun factor of the game, it wouldn't be fun fighting just 2/3s of someone's list. Even if I did end up losing I would likely feel better about it than beating someone 35 points in the hole.

Now once shots have been fired, its game on. You put a dial down and reveal it, you'd better be sure its right. I had this situation at a regional, but on the very last turn of the game. We got the 5 minute remaining and last round call out. I had Corran left to his IG-88. He had me on points, but instead of a 3 bank right to put him into the middle of the board, he programmed a 3 bank left which put him off. He didn't realize when he revealed the maneuver until I pointed it out. I said better luck next time. Kind of cheap winning on a technicality like that, as Corran wouldn't have had a shot with the other maneuver, but that's the game sometimes.

That's why I always orientate my dial to the way the ship is facing. Even after tons of games, its just a good technique to use. You fly your untouched Falcon off the board on the 3rd turn once and you quickly learn to check and re-check the dial.

First turn or before combat I think I'd be pretty forgiving (even at a premier event). Just for the sheer fun factor of the game, it wouldn't be fun fighting just 2/3s of someone's list. Even if I did end up losing I would likely feel better about it than beating someone 35 points in the hole.

Now once shots have been fired, its game on. You put a dial down and reveal it, you'd better be sure its right. I had this situation at a regional, but on the very last turn of the game. We got the 5 minute remaining and last round call out. I had Corran left to his IG-88. He had me on points, but instead of a 3 bank right to put him into the middle of the board, he programmed a 3 bank left which put him off. He didn't realize when he revealed the maneuver until I pointed it out. I said better luck next time. Kind of cheap winning on a technicality like that, as Corran wouldn't have had a shot with the other maneuver, but that's the game sometimes.

That's why I always orientate my dial to the way the ship is facing. Even after tons of games, its just a good technique to use. You fly your untouched Falcon off the board on the 3rd turn once and you quickly learn to check and re-check the dial.

Agreed on all points. I've had matches where people have deployed backwards, or thought they were flush to the side, but a straight opening maneuver would put them slightly out. I'm more than willing to let you fix those.

But once the battle is fully underway? You're playing the dial as it reads. It's the only way you'll learn.

I remember at my regionals the table next to me a guy deployed his YT-2400 backwards, first turn 2 forward: straight off the board edge.

THAT got loud.

That's the correct maneuver for all fat turrets.

That's a tough one. Part of me agrees with some, that this is NATIONALS - if you don't hold people to the rules here... then why are there even rules?!

However, could you imagine you are in the final round and someone does that on the opening move? Woudl you really want to be the national champion because your opponent was so nervous they picked the wrong direction turn 1? Tough call. I had someone force my Firespray off the board at a Store Championship due to a similar accident - I actually forgot to set his dial in the first place - and I totally understood and wasn't angry with him.

I've done similar mistakes in tournaments before. If it's my mistake I just live it with and beat myself up about it later. I'd actually feel bad about my opponent letting me correct an error like that. I make a big mistake and they deserve to win. In a casual game night... I wouldn't feel so bad about it, but at a tournament mistakes are mistakes.

Coming from your side I'd hope I'd let them correct it. Once. I've certainly reminded people of thing in tournament situations before and let things slide on mistakes. However when it comes down to a game winning mistake... That's a little harder. I'd probably tell them their mistake and let their conscience decide on if they correct if or not. If they do correct it, I'd let them know its their only mulligan.

Yea that's a tough call. In situations where I can choose my opponent's maneuver, I usually try to land them on a rock if possible instead of flying them off the board edge.

Personally I wouldn't want to win a match that starts at 100 pts vs 65 pts. But like others have stated, I wouldn't have a problem with someone who chose to capitalize on that situation.

At the end of the day, they messed up - it's your choice to let it go, but it's also their choice to own up to their own error.

I guess you could roll for hit/miss if no one wants to make the call.

I guess you could roll for hit/miss if no one wants to make the call.

I've done that lots of times. And may the force be with you.

That's a tough one. Part of me agrees with some, that this is NATIONALS - if you don't hold people to the rules here... then why are there even rules?!

However, could you imagine you are in the final round and someone does that on the opening move? Woudl you really want to be the national champion because your opponent was so nervous they picked the wrong direction turn 1? Tough call. I had someone force my Firespray off the board at a Store Championship due to a similar accident - I actually forgot to set his dial in the first place - and I totally understood and wasn't angry with him.

I'd take the opportunity to win Nationals like that. Imagine the beautiful 29 page argument thread it would create.

Better yet - play like a champion and own up to your mistakes. If YOU are the one who set your dial incorrectly, fly your ship properly off the board. If your opponent offers to let you fix the error, refuse his offer and attempt to beat him with a severe deficit.

Imagine if you manage to actually WIN that game while being down a whole ship? The forums will sing songs of your valor.

That's certainly the honourable thing to do.

Insert stupid ned stark memes here.

Luckily, if the "nice guys finish last" theory holds, some stores in my area hand out prizes for the lowest MoV score.

Luckily, if the "nice guys finish last" theory holds, some stores in my area hand out prizes for the lowest MoV score.

My brother won the Corellian Corvette as a sportsmanship prize.

Personally, I think you did the right thing.

Up to you. In this case either thing you did could be right.

I know that I probably would have let it go in the opening rounds too, but once engagement occurs if you miss an opportunity or fly off the board it's GG.

Then again, I've seen people make mistakes in tournaments and remove their ship without trying to put the decision on me. Those are good sports.

I flew N'dru off the board once in a prize supported league game. Wasn't a mistaken dial either, I just gauged the distance wrong. Needless to say N'dru go byebye without ever using his consumables. Worked in my favor, he was harried by Whisper and Echo and neither could pull off their ACD or Focus shenanigans. It almost looked intentional.

IMO, you did the right thing. I'm not a fluffy-happy-it's-cool-bro-fly-free player, but in the situation you describe, I would never hold the player to that move.

* It's clearly a mistake of Left and Right, not a mistake of skill.

* There are a number of reasons it could happen, such as dyslexia or a simple neurological fuzziness of Left and Right.

* None of these reasons deserves to be punished when the intent is clear.

So, again, you did the right thing. There will be people who tell you that whether you did the right thing depends on the level of the tournament, or the prizes at stake, or any number of other things. It doesn't. It was the right thing because of the reasons you instinctively knew, which I've listed above, and those don't change because a tournament has a different name.

^this is totally correct.

Completely up to you. And frankly not anyone else's business.

^this is the **** head answer.

Completely up to you. And frankly not anyone else's business.

^this is the **** head answer.

Nonsense. This is not Nam, there are rules. I will never think badly of someone for playing by the rules.

Assume **** is "nice".

Completely up to you. And frankly not anyone else's business.

^this is the **** head answer.

Nonsense. This is not Nam, there are rules. I will never think badly of someone for playing by the rules.

I would be more inclined to think poorly of the person throwing a tizzy over someone else following the rules, especially at a premiere event.

I know this is my first post and that it might draw some heated debate, but I want to get some second opinions on this situation.

I played as NZ nationals last weekend and it was the fourth game, my opponent and I were both 2-1 and playing on Table 4. I was running Dash/Corran and he had Soontir/Vader/Delta. We both deployed on our left flanks. His Soontir was basically right next to his left hand board edge. His Soontir flew straight the first turn and then banked on the second turn. But my opponent had set his dial to bank the wrong direction, a move that would have clearly flown him off the board. My opponent had not noticed this and just banked Soontir inwards. I pointed out to him that his dial was wrong and just told him to double check in the future. It did not occur to me at that time that I possibly should have asked him to fly his Soontir off the board as his dial indicated.

I went on to lose the game and then not make the top cut on MOV.

Should I have made my opponent fly his Soontir off the board? His dial setting was clearly a mistake and I always like to fly casual and all that, but if not on the top tables at nationals when should this type of mistake be penalized?

Before you crash your plane into the ship, remember to yell at the top of your lungs, "Sink without fail!" and all the cherry blossoms at Yamaguchi Shrine in Tokyo will smile brightly upon you.

Yes, you should have flown your opponent off the map. You robbed yourself of an autowin OP. I always double check my dials so that they're in my intended direction, if your opponent is too incompetent to do that then let that be his downfall.

Hence, the phrase "fly casual". He should do whatever he wants, in this case play with gentlemanly sportsmanship. Seems he is regretting due to the OP though. Unlike you who plays to win at all costs.

I would be more inclined to think poorly of the person throwing a tizzy over someone else following the rules, especially at a premiere event.

I've had people go into swearing fits and walk away from the game more than once because they misunderstood a rule, came to a national event and learned the hard way from the TO. Not a pretty sight. (Not Xwing)

OP here.

I had actually forgotten about this until a couple of days after the event when I was reflecting on my performance, it was just the (my opinion) the natural thing to do. I did it without a second thought at the time, I didn't want to win a game under those circumstances but have had second thoughts after the event.

My opponent was a nice guy but I'm sure how he would have reacted if I had asked him to remove Soontir, he acted like what I did was the normal thing to do and didn't offer to take Soontir off. He probably would have done it but it would have ruined the game experience for him and myself. It was good close game (only marred by a misjudged move with Corran that clipped a debris field, left him unable to barrel roll and sitting range 1 of the defender and Soontir and promptly died from full health and the game finished with Vader lucky ot be alive on 1HP and soontir on 2HP) and I have no doubt that I would have won convincingly had Soontir fled the battlefield.

Would probably do it again, even though I want to win games and make top cut at these type of events. I do double check my dials every time so I don't end up on the other side of the situation (I have it written on bit of paper along with put your shields back on (R2D2) and put your target locks on (FCS) in big bold writing)

Completely up to you. And frankly not anyone else's business.

^this is the **** head answer.

Nonsense. This is not Nam, there are rules. I will never think badly of someone for playing by the rules.

The rules are there to create the environment for a competitive, fair game

Some people may have dyslexia, or some other difficulty in properly selecting their dial every single time.

Punishing someone for this rather than for actually running afoul of the fairness and sportingness of the game is infantile. It speaks to someone being desperate to win at all costs.

I would deny my opponent a change if he was trying to cut a corner near the board edge and miscalculated which manoeuvre would do it, but when the guy only has one option to go, like turning in from a board edge, and his dial says the other way, it's obviously an honest mistake. I wouldn't necessarily feel the same if he was in the middle of a board and moving last with a big furball in front of him - in that case hr very well may have thought there'd be an opening on his left and when there isn't but is one on his right, a snakey player might claim to have set his dial to the opposite. In this case, I'd probably not let my.opponent get away with it, but otherwise to insist on a ruling like that doesn't do anything but suck the fun out of the room and make you look like s toddler.

It's beyond fly casual, it's just, quite honestly, being a decent person.

As a regular TO? You did this wrong. Sure it made you feel good, but why, you ask? Because the amount of times I have had to deal with this exact situation, then later on the other player did it and they weren't allowed to go the other way... Those arguments are always the funnest. Easiest thing to do? Stick to the rules. It is a question about skill, if you don't take the appropriate time for yourself to make sure all dials and actions are what you want, you can only blame you, because you are the person deciding it and if that isn't skill I don't know what is. My suggestion to every player? Pick up the dial and orient it to the ship, that way this doesn't happen. I love this game and usually it goes smoothly, but as soon as you start giving here and there on the rules it opens a giant wasp nest later on.

Does it mean the game was a fair game? Yes, why? Because all rules were upheld and no one was forcing anyone to make mistakes, and if they are rushing you, tell the TO to come over and watch the game.

Now in a casual setting? Do what ever floats your boat. I regularly help people when they make mistakes with dials or when they make actions that do little for them at that time. But this wasn't the case here, this was a National level event.