If you've been playing this game for any length of time, you have a small problem. I have it too.

Too many tokens. Too many bases. Too many ship pegs.

Collecting all the ships from a single Wave (other than Wave 5, obviously), plus either of the Core Sets, should give any player enough general ephemera to play pretty much any list they want.

So now we can buy bases and dial upgrades. I want FFG to take it a bit further. I would _love_ to be able to buy a kit with- say- 5 target lock pairs, 5 number tombstones, 5 ion tokens, 5 stress tokens, 10 shield tokens, 10 damage tokens, and... you get the idea.

And then- after this kit is on the market- FFG can stop packing all those things into each individual ship blister. Honestly, they can keep charging the same price for the ships. I'm paying $15 for the Defender and the cards, not the tokens and whatnot. I'd continue paying $15 for that Defender.

The benefit to me: I would have far less X-Wing related clutter.

The benefit FFG: it would make packaging a tiny bit easier, as there would simply be less _stuff_ to make sure goes into each blister.

There's also the ancillary benefit to FFG that if I no longer see some of the pack in stuff as "clutter", it would make me more likely to buy cosmetic upgrades. Honestly, that's the number 1 thing keeping me from buying the colored base/peg kits and the dial upgrades. They both look _awesome_, but I have too many bases and pegs already. And that thinking bleeds over into the dial upgrades.

As a side note: I would kind of expect the TIE Phantom and the G1-A Misthunter to come with a Cloak token, as they're not something that _every_ ship needs.

Yeah, that is kind of against their core philosophy.

Is and isn't. Their core philosophy is that you need the core set (no pun intended) to play a real game and that they won't sell you anything you can't use. If you have the core set, you do not need ID tokens, shield tokens, target locks, etc and you need the core set for the asteroids, maneuvering templates and range finder.

They would have to dovetail this change with maybe 1 more sheet of shield/focus/stress/evade tokens in the core pack perhaps but they'd still be saving money & materials on new ships and reduce our clutter.

I think ultimately though, we players need to just get used to selling/throwing out the things we don't need. I have a relatively modest collection compared to most and i will never ever ever need another target lock pair, id, focus, evade, crit, stress token in my life. I can probably be ok throwing new ones out at this point. Certainly i should redo my case so i'm not carrying it all around with me.

You are forgetting the guys who don't own and/or don't want to buy all waves, like me.

The only thing I would like to buy separated is upgrade cards, but they won't do it, because they need to sell Imperial Raiders and stuff.

EDIT:

The OP really wants to pay the same price for less content? Unbelievable.

OP, if you have too many stuff, you can throw it in the garbage bin. My garbage bin.

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Reposted in new dial announcement thread.

A man's (woman's) worth is determined by the number of focus tokens they own.

You still need cardboard dials and base plates with each ship. Along with any upgrade specific templates and tokens. The extra target locks, focus, evade, tokens are hardly adding to the production cost as they are just in the margins of the sheets that have the important things.

I'm sorry Pundit, I just don't agree.

New players would have to make secondary purchases in order to use non-core ships.

Heck, I'd rather drown in surplus pegs than get shortchanged like that.

Oh and someday you will want to play epic and then you will need everything

Won't happen. Every ship comes with what you need to fly it and they aren't going to change that just because some of us have too much spare cardboard.

You are forgetting the guys who don't own and/or don't want to buy all waves, like me.

The only thing I would like to buy separated is upgrade cards, but they won't do it, because they need to sell Imperial Raiders and stuff.

EDIT:

The OP really wants to pay the same price for less content? Unbelievable.

OP, if you have too many stuff, you can throw it in the garbage bin. My garbage bin.

Currently, if you have the core set + 5 other small base expansions, you have all the tokens you could possibly need to run any list in the game. And any 2 large base expansions will get you the maximum Large bases you need.

So, like, you don't need to buy "all the waves". Just a far more modest number of expansions than people who regularly play tend actually have.

As someone said above: if they redesigned the core sets a tiny bit, it could be really easy save us a whole lot of bother and junk.

And I'm not _opposed_ to a price break. I just don't expect one for removing a modest amount of material. If FFG found $1 per blister in savings from my suggestion, I'd be surprised.

My OCD does not agree with you I store all my ships in containers that are easy to transport. Big enough to leave most ships assembled with a bag of all the tokens that ship needs to be used in a game. When recent wave were short of target locks and crit token I had to do some trading to get what I needed to complete a bag for each ship. Please FFG keep the tokens coming

A complex problem with a simple solution.

Put the excess bits in the bin.

And any 2 large base expansions will get you the maximum Large bases you need.

Three. You could run three Firesprays or three YVs in a dogfight. (There's also the epic format to consider.)

Actually, four ... Lambda shuttles!

I have a ton of ships, and all my extra bits, cards, unpunched token cards (from later waves) fit in a shoe box or two in my closet.

This means I have extras to give to new players, extra bases when those in heavy rotation wear out, and backups just in case of loss/theft. It really doesn't seem like so much of a big deal to hold onto extras and if you saw how small my apartment is that's saying a lot; not worth launching a bunch of extra retail SKU's that would just rot on shelves.

If you don't like the extra bits, donate them to your FLGS so players have a pool of extras to draw on.

You are forgetting the guys who don't own and/or don't want to buy all waves, like me.

The only thing I would like to buy separated is upgrade cards, but they won't do it, because they need to sell Imperial Raiders and stuff.

EDIT:

The OP really wants to pay the same price for less content? Unbelievable.

OP, if you have too many stuff, you can throw it in the garbage bin. My garbage bin.

Currently, if you have the core set + 5 other small base expansions, you have all the tokens you could possibly need to run any list in the game. And any 2 large base expansions will get you the maximum Large bases you need.

So, like, you don't need to buy "all the waves". .

Clearly you have never ran triple firesprays or quad lambdas

A complex problem with a simple solution.

Put the excess bits in the bin.

But I might need them later...

You are forgetting the guys who don't own and/or don't want to buy all waves, like me.

The only thing I would like to buy separated is upgrade cards, but they won't do it, because they need to sell Imperial Raiders and stuff.

EDIT:

The OP really wants to pay the same price for less content? Unbelievable.

OP, if you have too many stuff, you can throw it in the garbage bin. My garbage bin.

Currently, if you have the core set + 5 other small base expansions, you have all the tokens you could possibly need to run any list in the game. And any 2 large base expansions will get you the maximum Large bases you need.

So, like, you don't need to buy "all the waves". Just a far more modest number of expansions than people who regularly play tend actually have.

As someone said above: if they redesigned the core sets a tiny bit, it could be really easy save us a whole lot of bother and junk.

And I'm not _opposed_ to a price break. I just don't expect one for removing a modest amount of material. If FFG found $1 per blister in savings from my suggestion, I'd be surprised.

I am going to echo what others are saying. If you don't want them, and you don't care about a price break, throw them away.

Oh and someday you will want to play epic and then you will need everything

agreed with the above! When going for a game of epic suddenly you need all the pegs and cardboad you can find. And dice, lots of dice

Oh and someday you will want to play epic and then you will need everything

agreed with the above! When going for a game of epic suddenly you need all the pegs and cardboad you can find. And dice, lots of dice

I have enough stuff for a 2v2 Epic match fielded entirely out of my own bits and pieces. And still have even _more_ bases than that.

A man's (woman's) worth is determined by the number of focus tokens they own.

You can give me as many tokens as you like and I still won't be able to focus. I'm too stressed

You are forgetting the guys who don't own and/or don't want to buy all waves, like me.

The only thing I would like to buy separated is upgrade cards, but they won't do it, because they need to sell Imperial Raiders and stuff.

EDIT:

The OP really wants to pay the same price for less content? Unbelievable.

OP, if you have too many stuff, you can throw it in the garbage bin. My garbage bin.

Currently, if you have the core set + 5 other small base expansions, you have all the tokens you could possibly need to run any list in the game. And any 2 large base expansions will get you the maximum Large bases you need.

So, like, you don't need to buy "all the waves". Just a far more modest number of expansions than people who regularly play tend actually have.

As someone said above: if they redesigned the core sets a tiny bit, it could be really easy save us a whole lot of bother and junk.

And I'm not _opposed_ to a price break. I just don't expect one for removing a modest amount of material. If FFG found $1 per blister in savings from my suggestion, I'd be surprised.

I am going to echo what others are saying. If you don't want them, and you don't care about a price break, throw them away.

You are forgetting the guys who don't own and/or don't want to buy all waves, like me.

The only thing I would like to buy separated is upgrade cards, but they won't do it, because they need to sell Imperial Raiders and stuff.

EDIT:

The OP really wants to pay the same price for less content? Unbelievable.

OP, if you have too many stuff, you can throw it in the garbage bin. My garbage bin.

Currently, if you have the core set + 5 other small base expansions, you have all the tokens you could possibly need to run any list in the game. And any 2 large base expansions will get you the maximum Large bases you need.

So, like, you don't need to buy "all the waves". Just a far more modest number of expansions than people who regularly play tend actually have.

As someone said above: if they redesigned the core sets a tiny bit, it could be really easy save us a whole lot of bother and junk.

And I'm not _opposed_ to a price break. I just don't expect one for removing a modest amount of material. If FFG found $1 per blister in savings from my suggestion, I'd be surprised.

Oh and someday you will want to play epic and then you will need everything

agreed with the above! When going for a game of epic suddenly you need all the pegs and cardboad you can find. And dice, lots of dice

I have enough stuff for a 2v2 Epic match fielded entirely out of my own bits and pieces. And still have even _more_ bases than that.

What you propose is completely prohibitive to new players. I've only been playing since August and my first few games were against my girlfriend and one of my mates. Other recent games have been introductory games I have run at my LGC, all of these using my own stuff.

Your system only realistically supports new players who already know other players to play with, if a player has to provide the tokens for both sides then suddenly the resources are stretched pretty thin. This is without taking token loss into account, my gaming case split the other week and I lost a few shield and target locks; this isn't a problem as I have plenty but with a more minimalist token system I would have been screwed.

I throw away any shield tokens I won't realistically need: Dice are much more elegent option anyways, less clunky to shift around

I throw away any shield tokens I won't realistically need: Dice are much more elegent option anyways, less clunky to shift around

But dice don't look nearly as futuristic space techy! Not to mention that I reckon it's easier to get confused with dice. With shields I remove one every time I'm damaged, even if the table gets bumped the shields are still there in the right quantity. With dice there's more room for contention with an opponent.