Thats my arguement. JJ made bad and good stuff. But he certainly didnt kill Trek, that was already good and well flogged to death before him.

Also E7 is made by Disney. If they reach Guardians level of fun instead of ironman 3 all is good.

The general thought of a lot of people on seeing the movie and especially space battles of the Jar Jar Trek was that it looked like Star Wars and not Star Trek. (Complete with prequel level annoying remakes of characters.) Both of the movies had bad EU-worthy superweapons. (Planet destroying weapons, Super-long range transports (I forgot, didn't that include through shields?), Super-long range torpedoes.)

So maybe he's found the right place. We'll see.

This picks apart the second of them far more than any forum post I could write: http://sequart.org/magazine/21469/star-trek-into-darkness-hostile-to-star-trek-intelligence/

A bit disappointed seeing that Death Star. I felt that superweapons should only be possessed by the Empire; its elegant, militaristic designs reflecting its political will and vast resources.

I was hoping a post-RotJ era where the ravages of war have made a scarcity of most resources, forcing all factions to improvise and reuse whatever's left of this post-Empire world.

The general thought of a lot of people on seeing the movie and especially space battles of the Jar Jar Trek was that it looked like Star Wars and not Star Trek. (Complete with prequel level annoying remakes of characters.) Both of the movies had bad EU-worthy superweapons. (Planet destroying weapons, Super-long range transports (I forgot, didn't that include through shields?), Super-long range torpedoes.)

So maybe he's found the right place. We'll see.

This picks apart the second of them far more than any forum post I could write: http://sequart.org/magazine/21469/star-trek-into-darkness-hostile-to-star-trek-intelligence/

Maybe my biggest problem with Jar Jars second movie was just how lame Khan was.

To me the new Star Trek isn't Star Trek, it's just action sci-fi that happens to have some Star Trek places, symbols and names in it. If it was called 'Star Crusaders" and had different names and ship designs no one in his right mind would have thought 'wow this would have been an amazing Star Trek reboot'.

As for Enterprise, they made some extremely dumb design decisions. The mellow themesong being one but not the most important one. For one they made it an american party (malcolm excluded being a brit), while in the past Star Trek crews were significantly international. For me as a European viewer when I first watched it I was like 'wtf is this band of redneck cowboys doing in Star Trek?' I mean, with the anthropological sciences being as they are today, there is no way the command crew would make the kind of ignorant and spur of the moment decisions if they were to launch today as they do in the series over a century in the future.

Then there is the great focus on time travel. For me the time travel episodes were always the weaker ones in the older series, but they used it fairly sparringly (like 1 episode every 2 seasons or so). In Enterprise they make it a freaking focus of the first 2 bloody seasons...ugh. Then there is the over sexualization of T'pol...yes the actress is very attractive but when you need to include a T'pol decontamination massage in every other episode as a director you are compensating for something.

As a European, I could argue that a Brit is likely to feel more connected to the US than to Europe. But thats another discussion

I agree, the crew was too uniform, and many did not develop character. Still, I liked the overall tone well enough. Its also true that earlier seasons were not that interesting, but other shows also survived that, including the best ever, DS9

Still, they started to make connections early, like rediscovering the Romulans. I was thrilled with the unseen threat of this episode.

Time travel never disturbed me, some of the best moments came from it, Tribbles with DS9, or the whole more evil parallel universe. Sparingly used it was, right. But the temporal war thing was at least new, and the whole Xindi thing was ok. Such a pity, ther was so much to explore, as the whole Soong theme showed. Would have connected well with many older Star. trek fans.

T'Pol? Cant agree more with you

Holy cow, I don't care about Star Trek:)

Surely I can't be the only one whose first thought was "Is that a thermal detonator? Why've they made a freaking grenade one of the most prominant features of the poster?!?"

For those wondering where Luke is, who says he's not on the poster?

Someone does have a mask...

Strike me down and your journey to the dark side will be complete. Other than now defunct EU sources, we don't know what happens to Luke. Or is there official Canon which does?

For those wondering where Luke is, who says he's not on the poster?

Someone does have a mask...

Except we've seen pictures of that character both wearing and not wearing the mask.

And Luke on the dark side may make me walk out of the theater. Can't think of a better way of ruining the entire OT than that.

I dunno, I think Trek 2009 and Into Darkness had more trek in them than any Star Trek installment since 1986. It's like the series was no longer beholden to make political progressive messages and just let itself have fun again. Granted, this is not a taste those who grew up on the TNG installments are going to like, but I've always been a TOS fanboy and I had a blast with those movies. Brought back the old spirit of the show that the TNG creative team long denied for pursuing their "high-brow progressive statement stories".

Anyway, one can argue that it isn't a Star Wars trilogy without a big dumb object in it that the underdog heroes have to overcome. After all that's why the prequel movies failed, right? Abrams also isn't afraid to show us the "not-death-star" with this movie trailer, but I'm prepared to catch the curve-ball he might throw by making it not destroyed by the end of the film. After all DSII wasn't taken out by thermal exhaust port... it was blown up during construction before it became invincible. Seems like Starkiller is complete enough for Kylo to be viewing it when it's firing on a planet, and it's unlikely to have a weakspot that the DS1 was built with.

I think we fans are having a lot of downer predictions and preconceptions swirling around before the movie begins, but I'm still expecting surprises. This is coming from the author who wrote the legendary line: "No, I, am your father." Who really saw that coming before that hit?

I think we fans are having a lot of downer predictions and preconceptions swirling around before the movie begins, but I'm still expecting surprises. This is coming from the author who wrote the legendary line: "No, I, am your father." Who really saw that coming before that hit?

Well, I certainly didn't (I'm not old enough to have seen Empire when it first came out, though I was old enough to see the original unedited trilogy on VHS...).

I did not think that the recent trailer would top the second teaser, but I think I enjoyed it even more. Am definitely excited to see where they're taking the characters. Also, that score. Am definitely going to need some tissues if the entire movie sounds like that...

I dunno, I think Trek 2009 and Into Darkness had more trek in them than any Star Trek installment since 1986. It's like the series was no longer beholden to make political progressive messages and just let itself have fun again. Granted, this is not a taste those who grew up on the TNG installments are going to like, but I've always been a TOS fanboy and I had a blast with those movies. Brought back the old spirit of the show that the TNG creative team long denied for pursuing their "high-brow progressive statement stories".

Hear, hear. I like the new Treks a lot. I grew up on TOS because of my dad. I liked TNG, too, though.

Honestly, I've not seen a bad JJ Abrams movie. I've liked all his stuff. Even the much-lambasted Super 8. I'm incredibly stoked for this film.

As for Luke's non-appearance on the poster, I'm pretty sure that a major part of the movie will be finding him for Finn/Rey so he/she can get some instruction in the Force. Luke's in the trailers. He's the cloaked guy who pats R2 with a cybernetic hand. I'm pretty sure about that, anyway. I obviously can't be certain.

I'm thinking Luke's been in self-imposed exile since the cessation of hostilities with the Empire. The Rebellion/New Republic would no longer require his services, so he could go explore the Force more than he could during the GCW. He's probably been out of touch for much of the intervening time between ROTJ and the new trilogy. Remember that Luke had, what? A couple months of training (depending on how hyperspace time works in the movies)? Now he's got decades under his belt. He's the new Ben Kenobi, beard and all.

Heh heh

Local PBS station had TOS reruns on Saturday nights around 10pm. Some of the best times with my dad.

I dunno, I think Trek 2009 and Into Darkness had more trek in them than any Star Trek installment since 1986. It's like the series was no longer beholden to make political progressive messages and just let itself have fun again. Granted, this is not a taste those who grew up on the TNG installments are going to like, but I've always been a TOS fanboy and I had a blast with those movies. Brought back the old spirit of the show that the TNG creative team long denied for pursuing their "high-brow progressive statement stories".

Actually TOS was my first Star Trek. I do prefer DS9 and TNG to it, but it was my first. Much better than Enterprise and Voyager though. Voyager had some fantastic stand alone episodes, but failed completely as a series, and wasted so much potential. Also, though I prefer TNG I do not care for any of the TNG movies (I do like some of the concepts behind Nemesis and what it was meant to be). My favorite Trek movie is Undiscovered Country.

I dislike the Abrams movies. But at least they are better than Insurrection *shudders*.

As for Luke's non-appearance on the poster, I'm pretty sure that a major part of the movie will be finding him for Finn/Rey so he/she can get some instruction in the Force. Luke's in the trailers. He's the cloaked guy who pats R2 with a cybernetic hand. I'm pretty sure about that, anyway. I obviously can't be certain.

Having just watched teaser #2, this is certainly strongly implied. Finding out what happened to him (and why) probably tops what I'm most excited about in the new film.

I may be the one of the few Trek fans that couldn't get into DS9. I need to try again sometime. As old as TOS was, I'm absolutely biased to loving that the most.

I think Enterprise could have been better, but UPN/Paramount along with those numbskulls Berman/Braga who took over a lot of Trek writing post Ron Moore, never gave it a chance.

I hope the new Trek does well. The fact that Simon Pegg is involved with the writing is going to improve the storytelling and feeling. I also think Karl Urban may be a better version of McCoy than even Zach Quinto is of Spock (and I even made that observation when he first showed up on Heroes!)

JJ's style is much more suited to Star Wars than Star Trek. Star Trek was always the slower, more deliberate of the franchises and has historically concentrated heavily on politics. Trek is often about lofty ideals. Star Wars is grittier (well, the original trilogy), with lots of relative morality and getting things done however you can. JJ likes his grit, and the trailer shows it. JJ and Star Wars are a pretty good fit.

I may be the one of the few Trek fans that couldn't get into DS9. I need to try again sometime. As old as TOS was, I'm absolutely biased to loving that the most.

I think Enterprise could have been better, but UPN/Paramount along with those numbskulls Berman/Braga who took over a lot of Trek writing post Ron Moore, never gave it a chance.

I hope the new Trek does well. The fact that Simon Pegg is involved with the writing is going to improve the storytelling and feeling. I also think Karl Urban may be a better version of McCoy than even Zach Quinto is of Spock (and I even made that observation when he first showed up on Heroes!)

I was the same way with DS9. I tried several times to get into it over the years. I finally sat through the whole thing for the first time just last year. It is now my favorite. The Dominion is a fantastic antagonist. Worf gets a ton of character development as a plus. And Gul Dukat ends up as one of the greatest villains in Star Trek Imo.

Hey GronardII what's with the Jar Jar reference connected with J.J.Abrams?

Michael

Detractors make their own sense of what JJ means in his name.

I dunno, I don't think enough credit/blame is directed at the writers. It is they who come up with the story, the underlying themes, what the characters say, and stuff like that. The Director is ultimately in charge of making that story in the shape of his vision but it's not often he comes up with the story that will be the vision for the film.

George Lucas was the writer for the prequel trilogy, as well as the director, and it shows. Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman both wrote for Trek 2009 and Damon Lindelof joined them for Into Darkness. I think because none of these guys are attached to writing the screenplay for Beyond, we can expect a different kind of movie... and maybe one a little more coherent?

I'm fine with not going back to the original timeline at all, since it's not like we're ever going back to the Motion-picture 2280s era, which is my favorite of the original run. If more "real Star trek" means more of the TNG look/feel/style/direction then I'm perfectly happy with letting it die, honestly. Enterprise IMO was not that impressive either.

Still, back to Star Wars, with the writer for Empire on-deck and someone directing who many say already made two star Wars films, I still have high hopes for this film. I'm bracing for some disappointment over the details, but I'm open to being impressed.

The only thing I'm worried about for the new movie: t-70 x-wings are UGLY. Maybe it's because the original t-65's were so nice...

With anthology movies coming up, maybe one will eventually feature the GCW era naval battles... hmmm....