Given how badly LR mishandled the recent Canadian Nationals for X-Wing and Armada, I wouldn't expect too much from them.

When it's an issue in the hands of the one who shouldn't even be involved in organizing due to conflict of interests issues of being the owner is a major problem. Stores should host the events that a non-inhouse individual organizes and at most sponsor the event by covering the cost of material and space rental.

I would agree but I do exactly that yet I still find people complain that the store doesn't run the entire event (and I'm just some fan who runs the event).

No matter what, you'll find that you can't make everyone happy so just shoot doing the right thing and you'll win in the end.

Just walk away man. If someone that is running a business cant tell that you are bringing him in more money, then he doen't deserve the help that you are providing. Look for, or develop a community that is win-win for all involved. Buy online, find a cheap hall or shed and start a club where everyone chips in a few bucks to keep it running, to buy tables and stuff.

Krynn007, I think I remember you posting something similar some time back. Seems like you don't have much luck with the stores in your area despite all the effort you put in.

Any chance of finding an alternate venue for X-Wing? We're lucky to have supportive stores over here on the left coast of Canada, but we also have a once-a-month night at a new-ish local pub whose owner was gracious enough to give us space to play at. It gets people in the place, and most of us make a point of having dinner there as well as maybe having a beer or two. Are you able to secure a similar location for your game nights? You wouldn't be able to do game night kit tourneys without store support unfortunately, but you'd get to play your games at least, and you'd get to do so in a pretty casual environment. I know you're a bit burnt out on community building for now, but maybe in the future this could be feasible?

For what it's worth, I would be down for a game or three if I ever myself in your neck of the woods.

If there are no rules, there is no game. Someone has to stand for the rules.

Right. But like I said, it's such a socially delicate issue that you need to be so, so careful when you do it.

1 - Warhammer 40K is a (fun) broken game that is best suited for beer and pretzels, rather than any serious competition. It's the last game that's worth getting angry about, yet many people do.

2 - Support your local store as much as you can, unless they are not doing their part by supporting you. You both need each other to be doing the right thing. It seems like you should stop going there, based on what you described. As others suggested, there's nothing stopping you from creating a club at an alternate venue.

A shame the guy is so immature. Though if I may play devil's advocate; Do be careful about totally decimating new players. If your squads are too powerful for your local group, maybe you should dumb them down a little sometimes.

How much does it cost for a retailers license?

Rent the game space say twice a week. One weekend day, one week evening. Run an X wing/Armada league yourself. Charge dues for membership and for entry to tournaments to cover costs. With your retailers license you can be the sanctioned FFG representative in your area and sell X wing/Armada to your group through order instead of a shop front.

My local store sells a ton of X-Wing, but only builds community for 40k and Netrunner. That is kind of annoying for me, but your problems beat that by a long shot!

I have the same issue minus netrunner and because of it have moved my business else where and online. I have grown a serious hatred towards 40k and have never once played it.

Well I haven't been back to the store in a few months.

It's about a 30-45 min drive from my place and when I was going im Thursday nights there was Noone there to play so I was wasting my time and gas.

Second when he told me he wasn't getting anymore kits in, I really didn't feel it was worth my time and gas driving there, so I stopped going before this other stuff happened.

Ya then I see he got a bunch if kits in, and doesn't post a tournament event until the day of, and when asked he didn't make us felt welcomed.

My cousin also emailed lion rampant with links to his Facebook page showing that he is designing squads for the massing of Sullust and he goes on to say "pm or visit store for your entry on the short list"

So it's basically a private event I feel like.

I'm pretty sure (though fair to see I'm not 100%) if I was to call I'd be told it's full

I said to my cousin we should show up but he doesn't want to step foot in there again.

I suggested tell him on his Facebook page where everyone can see tell him since he spent over 500 bucks in armada at his store ask for a refund since he can't use his pieces in the tournament

Edit

As I said earlier its a small province, and it's really hard to find players

I do know a couple of others who will play and have pieces but with work and families its hard to get a time with everyone on same day, so I usually play with a friend and cousin.

I have thought about going to library or maybe check with a community center, bit again I don't know if a community center would work and I believe that doesn't come free.

Well two Thursday from now I may have a game with another fellow at another store, but I'm not pushing for a xwing community. Just looking for someone else to play with

I've also posted a few times on gameboard geeks site under prince Edward Island, which doesn't see much activity and here under op

I agree that it's very doubtful any event space would come for free, but if you ask around, you may find some of the other not-for-profit organizations in your community may be able to help. If you marketed it as a "community games night" or even find a local board game club, which may play more Euro and/or Ameritrash games, but see if you can piggy-back with them. PEI is a very small place, for sure, so you may need to be a bit more creative and find ways to share space with other like-minded orgs.

Community centres often have free public spaces. If you want a private room then that wouldn't be free. I work at a community centre here in NS. Also check out Sobeys and Superstore community use rooms. Usually free or at least cheap.

I have grown a serious hatred towards 40k and have never once played it.

You should at least give it a go before you decide you hate it. 40K has a lot of problems but it's still fun despite them.

I have grown a serious hatred towards 40k and have never once played it.

You should at least give it a go before you decide you hate it. 40K has a lot of problems but it's still fun despite them.

Too bad it is so disgustingly expensive that "just giving it a try" is not practical. That game is going to have to radicaly change or die sooner or later, because the alternatives have so much going for them.

I have grown a serious hatred towards 40k and have never once played it.

You should at least give it a go before you decide you hate it. 40K has a lot of problems but it's still fun despite them.

Too bad it is so disgustingly expensive that "just giving it a try" is not practical. That game is going to have to radicaly change or die sooner or later, because the alternatives have so much going for them.

And a lot of folks despise it for the cultural attitudes that it breeds, far more than any actual gameplay considerations of the game itself. It seems to breed a certain kind of toxicity, and that can spill over to elsewhere.

Just gonna drop this here as a positive story. In my town we have a decent size X-wing group of about 12 regulars and 32 infrequent (They meet up once per month or show for every other tourney.) It all started with me showing someone who is now a good friend how to play. I got hooked then he got hooked and it just kinda took off as the stores we play at are awesome places to play. The shop owners always co-operate fully and let us know full face if they can or cannot get product and kits. Both shops have had big events with prize giveaways like a Raider and as I have become the TO for one store and most of the general area. So in those areas we are good with minimal problems. I think the most annoying thing is that we have is one player who challenges everything and is wrong on like 90% of the things he calls me over for and is actively trying to break the game.

I want to see everyone happy and cheerful during a tournament but, I'm also realistic in that I can't please everyone and my ruling and decisions won't prove popular with some of our players. Each local non FFG tournament we host is usually a turnout of about 8 players and some of our guys have gotten so bloody good at the game it has forced me to adapt and even come to the forums for multiple advice sessions. (Bloody IG's)

Keep your head up man and keep going. Just cause one store turns non receptive and hostile to you doesn't mean you can't find another venue to play at or even start hosting game nights at a friends house / community center. Best thing I found to keep a group going is to do events and come up with creative scenarios to play in. I wish you the best of luck and hopefully this doesn't dampen your spirits about playing the game. Good luck Krynn and good hunting.

Yeah, that place seems like it sucks. Also surprised someone can be the /owner/ of a ******* board game store and be one of those 12 year olds that pouts when he starts to lose.

I'm not sure what those asterisks are censoring, but I can assure you that gamestore/comicstore owners being immature babies is VERY common.

This is true, our local store manager once tried to ban MtG for taking up all his gaming tables, after a month of empty tables he let it back. People running a business need to cater appropriately to their customer base. If you don't like a game then by all means don't stock it (although if it's a popular game then you're probably shooting yourself in the foot) but you can't stock a game then refuse to allow people to play it in the store.

I'm pretty sure that FFG expects any tournament, even casual, to follow the basic rules of the game.

Here is a link to this stores massing of Sullust event. Not cool.

https://m.facebook.com/MerlynsGaming/photos/a.390114567803705.1073741828.381532588661903/532765623538598/?type=3&source=48

I've also emailed ffg through the link above.

Thanks you

So I've emailed lion rampant, ffg, and my cousin has done the same.

I believe maybe couple others email lion rampant.

What if anything do you think that would do?

I'd like to see no more xwing armada at this store

The owner has no respect to teach or play the game within the proper rules, and doesn't follow ffg op.

Just been thinking about this and now Im feeling more mad than I did yesterday

Argh!!!

Too bad it is so disgustingly expensive that "just giving it a try" is not practical. That game is going to have to radicaly change or die sooner or later, because the alternatives have so much going for them.

Oh, it's not that bad. Building a whole 2,000 point force is ferociously expensive, but you can pick up a starter set and split it with a mate to try the game out.

And a lot of folks despise it for the cultural attitudes that it breeds, far more than any actual gameplay considerations of the game itself. It seems to breed a certain kind of toxicity, and that can spill over to elsewhere.

Can't say I've ever seen anything like that in 20+ years of 40K...

Or at least no more so than in any other game.

I left a little comment on their facebook post. That is insane. I asked "Will players be allowed to roll their own dice?"

I'd like to see no more xwing armada at this store

The owner has no respect to teach or play the game within the proper rules, and doesn't follow ffg op.

One thing I learned over life there are multiple perspectives to each story. In terms of your situation; I can't really comment on it since I really don't know the whole situation.

All I can say is there different type of gamers out there; some are competitive, casual, etc. It’s generally a bad situation when the store owner participates in a tournament for a particular game(s) of interest. There’s a potential conflict of interest in the game for rulings, etc because of their participation.

Though I think it’s a bit harsh to sanction a store from selling X-wing/Armada because of a bad experience. I’ve learned and still learning over life there are some things you can control and some things that are out of your control. One thing you can control is your attitude and personal responsibility to own, learn, grow, and move on.

In the end X-Wing is a game, have fun and keep flying. Sorry to hear about your experience. Hope you find a place to game with a decent X-Wing group of folks who share a common interest as you.

All dice rolling will be done by the store and follow the Ea example of Micro-transactions for re-rolls and defense token readiness off of the 48 hour cooldown. (Had to do it to lighten the mood.)

Here is a link to this stores massing of Sullust event. Not cool.

https://m.facebook.com/MerlynsGaming/photos/a.390114567803705.1073741828.381532588661903/532765623538598/?type=3&source=48

I've also emailed ffg through the link above.

Thanks you

So I've emailed lion rampant, ffg, and my cousin has done the same.

I believe maybe couple others email lion rampant.

What if anything do you think that would do?

I'd like to see no more xwing armada at this store

The owner has no respect to teach or play the game within the proper rules, and doesn't follow ffg op.

Just been thinking about this and now Im feeling more mad than I did yesterday

Argh!!!

Remember.

Hope it helps. ^

Sounds like you came across a grade A neckbeard.