Meh. XI7s were plenty good before this switch and I think Advanced Projectors a bit overrated.

A change with bigger implications involves the plastic base blocking line of sight. Which implies that firing arcs extend on to the plastic base (just not the part around the shield dials).

This fits in with the instructions we were given at Nationals that we should use the plastic base for measuring range.

But honestly, in looking over the RRG, this inconsistent with how they define a hull zone. How else could this apply? Maybe I am just misreading it.

I remember it being very clear in the rules: line of sight and arcs use ONLY the cardboard template while overlapping and bumping/etc use the plastic base fully.

Right, but now the FAQ says that LOS can be blocked by the plastic base? That's quite the change.

Pretty much makes AP useless as an upgrade.

I'd say "a gamble" is hardly the same as "useless".

Yes. That's the ruling in this FAQ that is dumb. It breaks the simpleness of the cardboard/base that was already established.

Pretty much makes AP useless as an upgrade.

I'd say "a gamble" is hardly the same as "useless".

plus you can still redirect to the opposite side of the ship, which is the main point of AP anyway

This. Honestly, if you're splashing 8 damage across your ship: you're already in trouble

Also I cannot download the faq

Alright, well that settles whether or not I take ECMs or Advanced Projectors on my MC80s.

I assume this nerf also affects the MC30's title that was a lesser AP. Ouch, now I'm back to deciding weather or not Xi7's are an auto include over any other turbolaser.

It does. . . the MC30 is now in a very precarious position. . . while strong it cant afford to stay in any dominant arc. . . which is ok if facing Imperials which only have the front arc (with the use of XI7's) but not so well against Rebels. . .

Does this apply to the Foresight title on the MC-30's as well?

Lyraeus you answered the question, thanks

Does this apply to the Foresight title on the MC-30's as well?

Lyraeus you answered the question, thanks

Np, I am just that good ^_~

Meh. XI7s were plenty good before this switch and I think Advanced Projectors a bit overrated.

A change with bigger implications involves the plastic base blocking line of sight. Which implies that firing arcs extend on to the plastic base (just not the part around the shield dials).

This fits in with the instructions we were given at Nationals that we should use the plastic base for measuring range.

But honestly, in looking over the RRG, this inconsistent with how they define a hull zone. How else could this apply? Maybe I am just misreading it.

I remember it being very clear in the rules: line of sight and arcs use ONLY the cardboard template while overlapping and bumping/etc use the plastic base fully.

Well you measure LoS and range from cardboard to cardboard but a non defending ship can block that. A ship is defined as a all plastic components and the cardboard (as the model is actually not needed but pretty to look at). So them clarifying that a non defending ships plastic base can block LoS sound concurrent with how they have had the rules. They are just clarifying that.

As for the GenCon thing, I dont know about that and have not received a reply from them on that yet.

Meh. XI7s were plenty good before this switch and I think Advanced Projectors a bit overrated.

A change with bigger implications involves the plastic base blocking line of sight. Which implies that firing arcs extend on to the plastic base (just not the part around the shield dials).

This fits in with the instructions we were given at Nationals that we should use the plastic base for measuring range.

But honestly, in looking over the RRG, this inconsistent with how they define a hull zone. How else could this apply? Maybe I am just misreading it.

I remember it being very clear in the rules: line of sight and arcs use ONLY the cardboard template while overlapping and bumping/etc use the plastic base fully.

Well you measure LoS and range from cardboard to cardboard but a non defending ship can block that. A ship is defined as a all plastic components and the cardboard (as the model is actually not needed but pretty to look at). So them clarifying that a non defending ships plastic base can block LoS sound concurrent with how they have had the rules. They are just clarifying that.

As for the GenCon thing, I dont know about that and have not received a reply from them on that yet.

It doesn't say any thing about non-defending ship. That would only obstruct a shot and have no impact that would Block LOS. So, this would haave to refer to the ship being targeted wouldn't it?

Either ruling made one Upgrade Card trump a similarly priced Upgrade Card. Both XI7 and Advanced Projectors both try to modify damage allocation.

The latest ruling must be a balancing adjustment between Rebel and Imperial fleets.

It's probably for the best.

Yeah, otherwise there's no real way to bust into the rebel ships until you take down all their shields or get a lucky crit with torpedoes. This seems much more balanced as otherwise Rebels with Ackbar and AP were going to dominate the Imps.

I assume this nerf also affects the MC30's title that was a lesser AP. Ouch, now I'm back to deciding weather or not Xi7's are an auto include over any other turbolaser.

It does. . . the MC30 is now in a very precarious position. . . while strong it cant afford to stay in any dominant arc. . . which is ok if facing Imperials which only have the front arc (with the use of XI7's) but not so well against Rebels. . .

I don't know about that

the secondary function of Foresight , the mini-AP in closer ranges, got ****** by the new ruling but the primary function (double evades!) is still alive and kicking

not going to help much if taking a Star Destroyer up where the sun doesn't shine, but at long range a Scout shrimp is going to be a wild pain to hit. If Akbar's supporting it, it's going to be a wild pain in general at that range

imo, more than anything, this is a massive buff to ISDs and perhaps even VSDs who can now inflict catastrophic damage to smaller ships with a single shot; esp if they can get through a brace (or if the targets don't have a brace to get through!)

Meh. XI7s were plenty good before this switch and I think Advanced Projectors a bit overrated.

A change with bigger implications involves the plastic base blocking line of sight. Which implies that firing arcs extend on to the plastic base (just not the part around the shield dials).

This fits in with the instructions we were given at Nationals that we should use the plastic base for measuring range.

But honestly, in looking over the RRG, this inconsistent with how they define a hull zone. How else could this apply? Maybe I am just misreading it.

I remember it being very clear in the rules: line of sight and arcs use ONLY the cardboard template while overlapping and bumping/etc use the plastic base fully.

Well you measure LoS and range from cardboard to cardboard but a non defending ship can block that. A ship is defined as a all plastic components and the cardboard (as the model is actually not needed but pretty to look at). So them clarifying that a non defending ships plastic base can block LoS sound concurrent with how they have had the rules. They are just clarifying that.

As for the GenCon thing, I dont know about that and have not received a reply from them on that yet.

It doesn't say any thing about non-defending ship. That would only obstruct a shot and have no impact that would Block LOS. So, this would haave to refer to the ship being targeted wouldn't it?

Hmmmm interesting. . . by the way you are reading it, you can't shoot or be shot out of the side arcs so lets say they mean that a non-defending ship.

"Q: Which parts of a ship’s base block line of sight?

A: The ship’s entire plastic base blocks line of sight, excluding the plastic portions that frame shield dials. The shield dials also do not block or obstruct line of sight."

I assume this nerf also affects the MC30's title that was a lesser AP. Ouch, now I'm back to deciding weather or not Xi7's are an auto include over any other turbolaser.

It does. . . the MC30 is now in a very precarious position. . . while strong it cant afford to stay in any dominant arc. . . which is ok if facing Imperials which only have the front arc (with the use of XI7's) but not so well against Rebels. . .

I don't know about that

the secondary function of Foresight , the mini-AP in closer ranges, got ****** by the new ruling but the primary function (double evades!) is still alive and kicking

not going to help much if taking a Star Destroyer up where the sun doesn't shine, but at long range a Scout shrimp is going to be a wild pain to hit. If Akbar's supporting it, it's going to be a wild pain in general at that range

imo, more than anything, this is a massive buff to ISDs and perhaps even VSDs who can now inflict catastrophic damage to smaller ships with a single shot; esp if they can get through a brace (or if the targets don't have a brace to get through!)

8 points for a title that only works at 2 out of 3 ranges and a possibly gimped secondary ability. . . 8 points. . .

How about we put AP back the way it was and just get rid of Projection Experts.

AP probably got nerfed because of some sillyness involving them.

All those in favor, help me escort them to the Port air lock.

Meh. XI7s were plenty good before this switch and I think Advanced Projectors a bit overrated.

A change with bigger implications involves the plastic base blocking line of sight. Which implies that firing arcs extend on to the plastic base (just not the part around the shield dials).

This fits in with the instructions we were given at Nationals that we should use the plastic base for measuring range.

But honestly, in looking over the RRG, this inconsistent with how they define a hull zone. How else could this apply? Maybe I am just misreading it.

I remember it being very clear in the rules: line of sight and arcs use ONLY the cardboard template while overlapping and bumping/etc use the plastic base fully.

Well you measure LoS and range from cardboard to cardboard but a non defending ship can block that. A ship is defined as a all plastic components and the cardboard (as the model is actually not needed but pretty to look at). So them clarifying that a non defending ships plastic base can block LoS sound concurrent with how they have had the rules. They are just clarifying that.

As for the GenCon thing, I dont know about that and have not received a reply from them on that yet.

It doesn't say any thing about non-defending ship. That would only obstruct a shot and have no impact that would Block LOS. So, this would haave to refer to the ship being targeted wouldn't it?

Hmmmm interesting. . . by the way you are reading it, you can't shoot or be shot out of the side arcs so lets say they mean that a non-defending ship.

"Q: Which parts of a ship’s base block line of sight?

A: The ship’s entire plastic base blocks line of sight, excluding the plastic portions that frame shield dials. The shield dials also do not block or obstruct line of sight."

My interpretation was they mean that the arc lines extend onto the plastic base for the purpose of blocking LOS. But yeah, a totally literal reading would mean no shooting to or from the sides at all! They may want to re-word that.

AP just got even more useless in wave 2.

I can see this is all going to get very silly with the rules again.

Once again people....show some common sense, please. It really does make things much saner.

Meh. XI7s were plenty good before this switch and I think Advanced Projectors a bit overrated.

A change with bigger implications involves the plastic base blocking line of sight. Which implies that firing arcs extend on to the plastic base (just not the part around the shield dials).

This fits in with the instructions we were given at Nationals that we should use the plastic base for measuring range.

But honestly, in looking over the RRG, this inconsistent with how they define a hull zone. How else could this apply? Maybe I am just misreading it.

I remember it being very clear in the rules: line of sight and arcs use ONLY the cardboard template while overlapping and bumping/etc use the plastic base fully.

Well you measure LoS and range from cardboard to cardboard but a non defending ship can block that. A ship is defined as a all plastic components and the cardboard (as the model is actually not needed but pretty to look at). So them clarifying that a non defending ships plastic base can block LoS sound concurrent with how they have had the rules. They are just clarifying that.

As for the GenCon thing, I dont know about that and have not received a reply from them on that yet.

It doesn't say any thing about non-defending ship. That would only obstruct a shot and have no impact that would Block LOS. So, this would haave to refer to the ship being targeted wouldn't it?

Hmmmm interesting. . . by the way you are reading it, you can't shoot or be shot out of the side arcs so lets say they mean that a non-defending ship.

"Q: Which parts of a ship’s base block line of sight?

A: The ship’s entire plastic base blocks line of sight, excluding the plastic portions that frame shield dials. The shield dials also do not block or obstruct line of sight."

My interpretation was they mean that the arc lines extend onto the plastic base for the purpose of blocking LOS. But yeah, a totally literal reading would mean no shooting to or from the sides at all! They may want to re-word that.

Los: most of the plastic base counts

Overlapping: all of the plastic base counts

- but not for going off the board

Range: cardboard

Now add the rules for arc, los and range when attacking.

Love this game :-)

The main rule book already said that only the shield dials are ignored when measuring range. It says nothing about ignoring the lines of plastic alongthe sides of the base. Where did the cardboard to cardboard idea come from?

The main rule book already said that only the shield dials are ignored when measuring range. It says nothing about ignoring the lines of plastic alongthe sides of the base. Where did the cardboard to cardboard idea come from?

It says that when you measure range it is from Hull Zone to Hull Zone. The Hull Zone is cardboard only.

Of course, in the measuring range section it says to ignore the plastic around the shield dial, which implies that you shouldn't ignore the rest?

Y'know, the most literal interpretation means there is no shooting at all. You can't draw LOS through the Plastic. At all. Even the Plastic of the Defender itself.

Which, we know, is a stupid interpretation.

The main rule book already said that only the shield dials are ignored when measuring range. It says nothing about ignoring the lines of plastic alongthe sides of the base. Where did the cardboard to cardboard idea come from?

It came from hull zones being cardboard only. And range being measured from a hull zone to a hull zone.