The canon books say the empire used the republic ships and rebels used droids, lfl and the mouse made that Canon does anyone think they won't want ffg to keep prequels stuff in those established roles?

Also what would droids give empire yet more cheap ships? We really don't need that.

But the arc and v-wing add things the empire doesn't already have, and separatist ships give rebels stuff they don't already have.

It's really the logical way to do it if it has to be done.

So I was watching a Clone Wars episode today (yeah, I'm way behind, haven't seen the series yet) and realized that the Hound's Tooth pilots Moralo Eval and Laats Razzi originated in Clone Wars.

Seems to me that despite the focus on the GCW period, that's the predecent to reach back to Clone Wars-era ships and factions. If Scum is there, how long until others follow?

Just an idea, but why not give each prequel ship a mixed pool of pilots (Empire, Scum, and Rebel) so that is receives play is two or more builds. If you think about it, during the galactic civil war, that much military hardware was unlikely to be abandoned; it would be rip for salvage by Scum and Rebels for re-purposing. Have it aged and battered, like it was pulled out of a scrap yard. As for the Empire, I'm sure some ships would still see service 30 years after the clone wars, just not as prominently. I could imagine the emperor would love holding on to some expendable droid fighters or even some ARCs.

Somebody find good reasons (not: "mentioned in a minor canon/EU work once", not: "wishful thinking because Rebs/Imps should totally use these things it's logical guys") for prequel ships not being part of distinct reppie/seppie factions and I /might/ buy it.

But you won't find them, and FFG is too good at faction identity to cater to people who want to stack multiple layers of fanfic on an AU just so they can fly their snowflake ship with their favourite nostalgia ships.

honestly I don't think even FFG's modeling team could save the G-9.

let me rephrase: Michelangelo couldn't save the G-9

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Somebody find good reasons (not: "mentioned in a minor canon/EU work once", not: "wishful thinking because Rebs/Imps should totally use these things it's logical guys") for prequel ships not being part of distinct reppie/seppie factions and I /might/ buy it.

Because FFGs said there's only 3 primary factions and everything else is subfactions within those primary factions. And your belief that Resistance and First Order will be split off into their own factions when they have enough ships is pure speculation at this point.

Let me point out that the game started with 2 factions, and those were the only two factions for quite some time. Updating to say 3 precludes nothing.

Secondly, the case for subfactions with Res/FO is much MUCH stronger than the case for same with reppie/seppie, even if I personally don't believe the former should be the case (this is on ideological grounds re: ST content not proving itself yet, if it was showing signs of being good material I would be less averse).

Factions below a certain level of difference have so far been relegated to subfactions. Prequel ships, as seems obvious (given they're not repainted TIEs and X-Wings), are significantly above that level, ergo, separate factions.

Somebody find good reasons (not: "mentioned in a minor canon/EU work once", not: "wishful thinking because Rebs/Imps should totally use these things it's logical guys") for prequel ships not being part of distinct reppie/seppie factions and I /might/ buy it.

Lone ship (say, the ARC-170 for example) fills a role the designers want, designers want to make it, making full blown Clone Wars factions not an option because LFL.

ARC in grey is just about the only one I can think of though. The V-wing would need to be priced below the TIE (it's at best the M-3A) and none of the others remained in Imperial service for any appreciable time.

Arc v-wing and eta were all in imperial service at least five years after the clone wars according to tarkin possibly longer as they'd just started to introduce tie fighters.

I say do what Wizards of the Coast did for their space minis game.

Divide the factions between Dark side and Light Side.

Republic and Rebels

Separatists and Imperials.

The Rebel Alliance was the successor to the Republic in spirit. The Empire was merely it's destroyer. The Separatists were led by Darth Sideous just like the Empire was.

I say do what Wizards of the Coast did for their space minis game.

Divide the factions between Dark side and Light Side.

Republic and Rebels

Separatists and Imperials.

The Rebel Alliance was the successor to the Republic in spirit. The Empire was merely it's destroyer. The Separatists were led by Darth Sideous just like the Empire was.

And that approach makes no sense with the new canon.

And let's not pretend the republic had clean hands tarkin was in their employ and in his book it makes it very clear republic forces attacked civilians when they were supporting the separatists.

The empire is the republic with a name change and the canon book confirm they got the republic ships.

Separate factions or bust.

let me rephrase: Michelangelo couldn't save the G-9

Factions below a certain level of difference have so far been relegated to subfactions. Prequel ships, as seems obvious (given they're not repainted TIEs and X-Wings), are significantly above that level, ergo, separate factions.

Just because they have enough ships to be a faction though doesn't mean FFG wants them to be.

There's a lot of people who play this game that only play one faction. If FFG releases these new models as their own primary factions, none of those people will buy any of them.

But if they release those models, and they are all usable with the preexisting primary factions, then people who play those factions are more likely to buy them.

I don't agree with this. Just because there are a few people in the Republic like Tarkin doesn't make the Republic "Empire-lite". The entire point of the Clone Wars was for Palpatine to transform the Republic from what it was into what he wanted it to be without anyone in the Republic really realizing it until it was too late.

The beliefs and actions of Tarkin and Palpatine's other hand-selected agents were very much out of line with those of the Republic.

Factions below a certain level of difference have so far been relegated to subfactions. Prequel ships, as seems obvious (given they're not repainted TIEs and X-Wings), are significantly above that level, ergo, separate factions.

Just because they have enough ships to be a faction though doesn't mean FFG wants them to be.

There's a lot of people who play this game that only play one faction. If FFG releases these new models as their own primary factions, none of those people will buy any of them.

But if they release those models, and they are all usable with the preexisting primary factions, then people who play those factions are more likely to buy them.

And let's not pretend the republic had clean hands tarkin was in their employ and in his book it makes it very clear republic forces attacked civilians when they were supporting the separatists.

I don't agree with this. Just because there are a few people in the Republic like Tarkin doesn't make the Republic "Empire-lite". The entire point of the Clone Wars was for Palpatine to transform the Republic from what it was into what he wanted it to be without anyone in the Republic really realizing it until it was too late.

The beliefs and actions of Tarkin and Palpatine's other hand-selected agents were very much out of line with those of the Republic.

Planets wanted to leave the republic wouldn't let them and to stop them they used a clone army to force them to stay, members of the senate voted for that to happen, voted to keep palpatine in power and don't forget they cheered when he made himself emperor.

Your imagining a republic that didn't exist.

The clone wars era republic was a corrupt and twisted organization.

Planets wanted to leave the republic wouldn't let them and to stop them they used a clone army to force them to stay, members of the senate voted for that to happen, voted to keep palpatine in power and don't forget they cheered when he made himself emperor.

Yes, because they were all being manipulated and deceived. The entire Separatist movement and the whole war is one giant lie to trick the Republic into making decisions that are counter to their own core beliefs and allow him to take control.

If it wasn't, then the deception wouldn't have been necessary. He could have just told people what he was doing and they'd have gone along with it.

Planets wanted to leave the republic wouldn't let them and to stop them they used a clone army to force them to stay, members of the senate voted for that to happen, voted to keep palpatine in power and don't forget they cheered when he made himself emperor.

Yes, because they were all being manipulated and deceived. The entire Separatist movement and the whole war is one giant lie to trick the Republic into making decisions that are counter to their own core beliefs and allow him to take control.

If it wasn't, then the deception wouldn't have been necessary. He could have just told people what he was doing and they'd have gone along with it.

Which is irrelevant to the point i made.

It does not matter if they were deceived all that matters is they willingly voted to use force to stop planets and civilisations from leaving.

They used force to stop planets leaving by their free will, that's wrong.

The Republic was certainly corrupt during the Clone Wars.

It just got even worse after it became the Empire and put all the power in the hands of a guy whose first name is Sheev.

let me rephrase: Michelangelo couldn't save the G-9

You took my jerb!

It does not matter if they were deceived all that matters is they willingly voted to use force to stop planets and civilisations from leaving.

Of course it matters.

"Oh hey everyone, sign this Patriot Act. It will make you all safer in this time when you're feeling very unsafe!

...oh, also takes away a bunch of your freedoms. But we won't draw attention to that part."

Does that make them bad people that hate freedom? Or just stupid.

It does not matter if they were deceived all that matters is they willingly voted to use force to stop planets and civilisations from leaving.

Of course it matters.

"Oh hey everyone, sign this Patriot Act. It will make you all safer in this time when you're feeling very unsafe!

...oh, also takes away a bunch of your freedoms. But we won't draw attention to that part."

Does that make them bad people that hate freedom? Or just stupid.

Both if we are talking about the Bush and cheney disaster.

Oh, the Patriot act. You mean the ones that people lobby to get rid of but the moment they're in power, they keep?

Yeah that one.

Make sure that the politics remain in-context with regards to Star Wars factions and policy.

I love political discussion, but it can be divisive and heated, so let's argue politics, but keep it in-universe.

(I actually thought the CIS was in the right compared to the GAR.)