Is there anywhere with the exact dimensions of the rulers. And the different sections? Short. Medium. Long range. Fighter 1,2,3,4 5 speed?

Just in case its poor manners to share the FFG dimensions, I'll only include the CorSec and Litko measurements:

Litko

4.8955

2.5195

4.5805

Corsec

4.8550

2.4885

4.5765

I also have the fighter distance rulers and will post a similar comparison as time permits. Spoiler: the CorSec, again, matches much more closely with the FFG ruler (though offset, again probably due to the die cutter location being different for each ruler), though the Litko is prettier and is actually 12".

I'd normally agree that the 1mm isn't such a big deal, but from the looks of it, Litko simply made a rounding error when they were programming their etching tool, as the error stack gets larger and larger with each range band. It'd be a simple fix for them, but hey, they didn't seem to put too much stock in my feedback.

So, looking at these values, the correct design values are:

4.9

2.5

4.6

Which strangly matches the design length of 12 inches.

Which means the Litko ruler is a closer match to the design specifications.

It means that this single Litko ruler is the closest.

One of the things I think would be important is cardboard is going to be more subject to humidity variations than the acrylic. The acrylic is also less likely to be bent or deformed from use.

While this presents an interesting mental exercise and an education in the nature of production variance these items are not meant to be "perfect." They are meant to be "close enough" often enough for everyone to be playing more or less the same game. Frequently things are bumped during play distances greater than the variances here.

This is in practical terms a "non-issue."

Is there anywhere with the exact dimensions of the rulers. And the different sections? Short. Medium. Long range. Fighter 1,2,3,4 5 speed?

Just in case its poor manners to share the FFG dimensions, I'll only include the CorSec and Litko measurements:

Litko

4.8955

2.5195

4.5805

Corsec

4.8550

2.4885

4.5765

I also have the fighter distance rulers and will post a similar comparison as time permits. Spoiler: the CorSec, again, matches much more closely with the FFG ruler (though offset, again probably due to the die cutter location being different for each ruler), though the Litko is prettier and is actually 12".

I'd normally agree that the 1mm isn't such a big deal, but from the looks of it, Litko simply made a rounding error when they were programming their etching tool, as the error stack gets larger and larger with each range band. It'd be a simple fix for them, but hey, they didn't seem to put too much stock in my feedback.

So, looking at these values, the correct design values are:

4.9

2.5

4.6

Which strangly matches the design length of 12 inches.

Which means the Litko ruler is a closer match to the design specifications.

I think an assumption of "round number" design intent is reasonable, but not necessarily the case. I'll find out as I measure more rulers.

To the poster who mentioned we should have multiple rulers: agreed, but I'm unfortunately without access to multiple rulers at the moment. Again, as mentioned previously in the thread, I'll keep a running tab of rulers I encounter (that is, when I happen to have my calipers with me or I have opportunity to take them to my optical inspection table.) If you happen to have some extra rulers you wouldn't mind donating to me, PM me and I'll measure them (serious request here.)

To the poster commenting on humidity- that is quite correct and may be one cause of ruler to ruler variation in different regions, but in my experience, in a given locale the humidity will not vary so greatly as to cause differences between rulers without a large difference in lamination technique. Perhaps I overlooked this when I mentioned I doubted Litko's assertion that their ruler matches their sample exactly- my ruler may very well be a "dehydrated" example and it could just be that CorSec manufactured their ruler in a climate similar to my own.

To the posters commenting on how insignificant this is: agreed (for the most part), but when I pulled my Litko rulers out of the box and they visibly and obviously did not match the FFG ruler while the CorSec one did made me think that I would share my (admittedly limited) experience with the community.

It seems that some believe the Litko is a "normative ideal" that surpasses even the FFG ruler, which might be true, but I won't know for certain without more samples.

TL;DR- if you want an acrylic ruler that probably matches more FFG rulers than not based on typical production practices for 8.99 and you happen to live in a climate similar to San Francisco, go with the CorSec. If +/- 1mm doesn't matter to you, pick whichever ruler looks nicer to you.

I can measure my two rulers with my calipers. Will post values later.

I was fortunate enough to get a set of the FFG acrylics at Nationals this summer. They both measure out as 30.4cm (11.97"). They are about 0.5mm longer than my cardboard range ruler.

Close - 12.3cm (4.84in)

Medium - 6.4cm (2.52in)

Long - 11.7cm (4.6in)

The lines for the range bands on these are about 1mm thick, which is much thicker than the cardboard version.

The rulers that will be given away in the Store Championships look to have an identical print pattern, so I would expect very similar results with those.

I just got a set of the LITKO rulers in the mail, and I noticed that the individual sections match the cardstock ruler VERY closely - it's the bands that delineate them where they added the length. You can line them up to match each individual range, but it's like they cut the ruler apart and stretched it to the full 12' then filled the spaces as the lines between.

I also just ordered a set of the Spring promo ones, so I'll see about the comparison there when it arrives. I agree with the notion that if anyone is bothered by the difference, you can offer to let everyone use it to even the field.

I find this pretty interesting.

Likto is my go-to place, even more so than FFG. They're just much more precise and their prices are fair.

From Litko I got a three piece ruler set, One short, One med, and a large. This makes it so much easier to measure without hitting surrounding game pieces that I'm sure I'm more accurate with it than any of the others.

From Litko I got a three piece ruler set, One short, One med, and a large. This makes it so much easier to measure without hitting surrounding game pieces that I'm sure I'm more accurate with it than any of the others.

Based on the pieces I've got, it seems individual segments are the best way to guarantee accuracy.

Just to chime in with an extra bit of data,

I have personally seen x-wing range rules that varied by about a quarter of an inch (~6mm). So there is occasionally that much variance in the die cuts.

So I ran similar comparisons for the X-Wing rulers and checking twenty or so cardboard FFG rulers I found the variation to -5mm and up to +3mm. It doesn't seem like much but in a game of mm it can be. The difference between the low end and high end variation is significant.

And here I was thinking of making a ship distance ruler. . .

the really random numbers of measurement for each range and differing sizes for each distance are totally randomly complicated. Plus the difference between medium range and distance 3 for instance.. is about 1.5 mm. WHY?

This game is weird. And has too many rules. We should stop playing. I mean, it isnt even fun. Let's all go back to wings of war.

Do you want to measure my 12 inches too?

Just so you know: The paper/cardboard FFG rulers will get shorter with age and use. (the ends will get compressed from bumping into bases and sliding around in a storage box) they will also very in size depending on the humidly in the air.

Alright, so they all came in finally. I have LITKO's set as well as the 2016 FFG Promo set.

Here's the Range and Speed . The cardstock one I trimmed to make a 'Rhymer Stick' and used it as a control. The MtG Emblem is to weight it down since it is curving already.

Range is pretty close, and if it weren't noticeably longer by a mm or two I'd be alright with it. Problem is that the extra length on the ends pushes the range itself ever so slightly off. Speed is closer than that, and the differences are minimal enough that I would be fine using them interchangeably. Then I lined them up . The speed rulers are close to human error, which is passable, but the Range will give a minute but discernible advantage. Most people will not come to a point where the very last mm is the difference between life and death, but those people aren't who acrylics are for.

Very useful. Thanks for posting the comparison pictures.

Fascinating. Thanks for all of your work. I ordered Litko rulers a few days ago and I will make sure to ask permission from my opponents before using them in a tourney.

I need to get a Litko ruler next. . .

I'm thinking about ordering from Cog o Two, myself. Their stuff looks cool.

I'm thinking about ordering from Cog o Two, myself. Their stuff looks cool.

I don't like the fact that they aren't double sided, personally. I liked the style, but I'd really rather just have one.

I need to get a Litko ruler next. . .

Applied Perspectives is what I recommend.

I'm thinking about ordering from Cog o Two, myself. Their stuff looks cool.

I did not know they existed. Thank you, now I have another brand to review.

I need to get a Litko ruler next. . .

Applied Perspectives is what I recommend.

I have their ruler as well as their defense tokens (the tokens are BEAUTIFUL!)

and then. . . I saw the Cog "o" Two defense tokens . . . WOW