Old Republic is hardly Bioware's setting. It existed in the comics for years before they made those games.

Huh, didn't realize this. Thanks for correcting me.

The old republic from tales of the jedi was radically different. Sabers powered by backpack batteries, ships with sails, the force being like sorcery. And then bioware took a fat crap on that cool setting and just parroted the mmovies.

Darth Vader never even met R2-D2 in the old trilogy. The most they interacted was him blasting R2-D2 during the trench run.

The weirder part was Obi-Wan Kenobi not showing any recognition of R2.

In Star Wars, tech progress ranges from inconsistent to non-existent.

This gets ridiculous in Bioware's Old Republic setting. Apparently a few thousand years ago people were using the exact same technology for lightsabers, blasters, droids, spaceships, ect. that were used in the Old Trilogy.

The common explanation is that there was a fairly large dark age in the galaxy, Until Darth Bane's time. Knight Errant did a great job of explaining the time period.

The old republic from tales of the jedi was radically different. Sabers powered by backpack batteries, ships with sails, the force being like sorcery. And then bioware took a fat crap on that cool setting and just parroted the mmovies.

I seem to remember the first stories, with Exar Kun, being closer to the movie tech.

Well, they had to ensure it was familiar for people who couldn't read the title "Star Wars"- and to be fair, even in the prequel trilogy people cry about how it doesn't feel right.

For reasons I guess.

The old republic from tales of the jedi was radically different. Sabers powered by backpack batteries, ships with sails, the force being like sorcery. And then bioware took a fat crap on that cool setting and just parroted the mmovies.

One of the many reasons I detest the kotor games.

The old republic from tales of the jedi was radically different. Sabers powered by backpack batteries, ships with sails, the force being like sorcery. And then bioware took a fat crap on that cool setting and just parroted the mmovies.

Yeah, took a fat crap by making games that were far better than any of those comics ever were.

Also, the games took place after all those comics. So you can easily explain that those those technologies were created between the two periods.

"better" here meaning "converted into a much more limiting frame of reference", I suppose.

The old republic from tales of the jedi was radically different. Sabers powered by backpack batteries, ships with sails, the force being like sorcery. And then bioware took a fat crap on that cool setting and just parroted the mmovies.

Yeah, took a fat crap by making games that were far better than any of those comics ever were.

Also, the games took place after all those comics. So you can easily explain that those those technologies were created between the two periods.

Those games bored me. And they set it 50 years after. Five zero.

That stretches suspension of disbelief.

If they took a zero off of the KOTOR era it'd all make so much more sense.

"better" here meaning "converted into a much more limiting frame of reference", I suppose.

"Better" meaning "telling a much better story".

The entire Tales of the Jedi line of comics was mediocre at best.

Well, they had to ensure it was familiar for people who couldn't read the title "Star Wars"- and to be fair, even in the prequel trilogy people cry about how it doesn't feel right.

For reasons I guess.

Because Georgie didn't give a **** about continuity?

In my opinion the KOTOR games told a good story, but the setting itself felt all the time to me like set in the "I Cannot Believe It's Not Star Wars" universe. An alternate Star Wars universe conveniently framed in a timespan none of the characters, ships or events we care about have anything to do. A lazy way to get rid of all the lore and continuity constraints of a established IP in order to have full freedom to do and undo as they pleased.

So, yeah... You had your "I cannot believe it's not the Millenium Falcon", your "I cannot believe it's not R2-D2", etc fighting against "I cannot believe it's not the Empire".

I was playing those games and thinking that Bioware would have done just better starting their own IP. Then, few years later: Mass Effect.

Because Georgie didn't give a **** about continuity?

It's not that he didn't give a **** about continuity. He just didn't give a **** about other people's continuity.

All I'm gonna say about EU/legends and the '20,000' years of the Galactic Republic:

The only way any government can be considered glactic in scope is that communication can be established across thousands of light years in a reasonable time (much less than the lifespan of the average human/alien). This can only be done if faster than light travel was a mature technology, be that hyperdrive or some other tech.(cryogenic sleep isn't really that feasible in this scenario but is possible with some constraints on how the galactic civilization could work while large parts of the populace are traveling between systems unable to share in commerce and communication) The Jedi would have to also be an organized religion and have an order of knights charged with protecting the republic. The Jedi wouldn't necessarily need to have lightsabres during their entire history, but sat some point it would be introduced. During the history of the Republic the galactic government could not have changed into anything like even a short lived empire without having to reorganize into a new republic, so any Galaxy spanning wars would need to be won by republic forces.

Other than that any tech we see in the OP would have 20,000 years to introduced and developed into mature technology. Weapons especially could have greatly changed and replaced several times over the millenia. Technology such as tractor beams, engegy shields, baca tanks and artificial gravity don't have to be present at any specific times except being introduced early enough to be robust and reliable by the time of Luke and Friends. Even artificial intelligence and other droid tech doesn't have to be tens of thousands of years old.

I don't know what a 'reasonable' timeframe is for the introduction and development of all the tech we see in SW, but until we see Disney say otherwise I will choose the 'slow but steady' school, unlike what we have seen presented in the old comics and games.

I dunno I kinda liked the Kotor series, as well as comics. I found SWTOR quite boring though...

Because Georgie didn't give a **** about continuity?

It's not that he didn't give a **** about continuity. He just didn't give a **** about other people's continuity.

Lucas never cared about continuity... period. Or actually, he never really had Star Wars in so high opinion as most of us fans do.

He never expected it becoming part of our culture, but just a rip-off of Buck Rogers or Flash Gordon without having to pay royalties, in exactly the same way that Indiana Jones was a Plan B creation after Spielberg couldn't get the rights to do a James Bond movie.

Episode IV is basically the love child of Dambusters, The Hidden Fortress, and the "hero's journey" topic. The script for that movie changed so much that you couldn't basically say that the initial draft and concept and what we have today could be the same movie at all. It was basically thanks to Marcia Lucas and Gary Kurtz that we got the final polished version of the script.

All that about Lucas having planned 9 or 7 episodes and starting out at the 4th is bullsh*t. He never did that, even when he repeatedly stated that in the DVD extras. He admitted it was all false in 2010.

With the prequels, he practically ignored the Original Trilogy in his first drafts and wrote whatever he pleased until his team begged him to change the most glaring contradictions.

How does Leia remember her sad mother?

When did Obi-Wan serve Bail Organa during the Clone Wars?

Why Obi Wan ignores Leia when he states that Luke is their only hope?

Yoda says in TESB that a Jedi never uses the Force to attack, only for defense, then what was all that about during the Clone Wars?

Why Chewie doesn't disagree with Han when he says that the Force doesn't exist when Chewie fought next to Yoda in Kashyyk?

R2-D2 leg rockets?

If a little kid like Anakin can easily identify a Jedi, why does later Obi Wan try to hide his identity as Ben Kenobi, while dressing the traditional Jedi uniform? And why old Owen Lars dresses the same? Wouldn't it make more sense that Obi Wan was dressing as a tatooinian to go incognito? Then why all Jedi dress like tatooinians in the prequels?

Where are all remainders of years of Clone Wars during the Original Trilogy? No battledroids, no prequel era ships or wreckages?

Why does Palpatine makes special notice of Luke's lightsaber and calls it "a Jedi's weapon, not much unlike your father's", when then it is shown that Palpatine had his own lightsaber, as all the sith did, and even a droid general had lots of them...?

If Vader was known as the Dark Lord of the Sith since Episode IV, and the Emperor was just the emperor, from where it comes that there can be only two sith, a master and an apprentice, if for a while Palpatine and Vader were planning to recruit Luke into their team?

Do you remember 1995? That was 20 years ago. If 20 years ago the whole corps of supernatural policemen of your nation were killed, wouldn't you still remember it today? Why then that general in the Death Star mocks Vader for being a follower of hockey religions? Why nobody seems to remember the Jedi?

And why, oh, why doesn't R2-D2 tells Luke and Leia who they really are? Especially when Luke and Leia were kissing each other in TESB!

I could address several of those, but I will choose two.

1) In regards to the jedi's clothing, they are supposed to be wearing the clothes of a commoner, to show they lead a simple/non-materialistc lifestyle. If you just see them on the street you wouldn't know if they are a jedi or not. But if they are doing some important business, the fact they are dressed so commonly would sometimes tip the hat, such as what happened with the protocol droid at the beginning of TPM. Think of it like the secret service. A guy walking around in a suit and sunglasses on the street is no big deal. But see one around an important political figure, and you immediately know what they likely are.

2) In regards to the jedi being seen as a almost myth 20 years later. You have to remember there were about 10,000 jedi at their prime. In a galaxy of probably trillion or zillions of people. It's not that people didn't know about jedi, Luke never questioned what a jedi was. It was more the force that was in question, since no one besides the jedi practiced it. Again looking to TPM, gunray knew what a jedi was, but had little clue about how powerful they really are. "Have you ever encountered a jedi knight before sir?" Well, no, but..."

We can make apologies for George all day and try to fix all the seeming inconsistencies between trilogies but we need to remember what these movies are and why and when each was made. Of course there's inconsistencies in the prequels, look at the OT, those films are full of issues. Vader was just an old Jedi knight that Ben trained and then he turned evil and helped kill all the Jedi. Ben was obviously not telling Luke the whole truth, but the idea of Vader being his dad wasn't finalized until ROTJ, as well as Anakin's name. Who knows, it could have turned out very differently with Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker being separate people and everyone assuming Anakin was Luke's father...but really Vader was because he 'betrayed' Anakin by des guiding himself and sleeping with Anakin's wife, like Uther Pendragon. A little Arthurian legend sneaking into SW would have been better than the near-twincest story we do get. And it's painfully obvious that Luke and Leia were not meant to be siblings in ANH or ESB. The weird death bed confessions of Yoda and Ben having to explain why he lied about everything show how hastily decided the plot lines were done.

Don't apologize for a man that wasted opportunity after opportunity just to placate his own ego and bank accounts.

That being said, Star Wars (episode 4, A New Hope, whatever) was a love letter to all cinema, westerns, fantasy, sci fi, war pictures, Saturday morning matinees, everything, and it is still my favorite movie of all time...that isn't a sequel.

Or the II appears much earlier than 3ABY. Like the A-wings and such.

Problem with that was that Kallus's ship in Rebels - Lawbringer - is specifically called out as an Imperial I in Rebels Visual Guide - and is identical to all the others.

Hence, my theory that the ISD I and ISD II are told apart by the shape of the bridge tower, and not the weaponry.

This may be the new canon then. The old canon was started by WEG and was basically a vague reference that the ISD model had changed between ANH and ESB. At any rate the Tyrant (Good, our first catch of the day) had the 'triple baffle' engines like the Devastator, but used the Avenger ESB model and thus had the 8-gun turbolaser batteries...it's a mess if you try to say that any or all 'ISDs' in the OT were the same named class.

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Ugh, this has turned into a right mess.

So over the weekend I finally read the comic that the OP is talking about. I liked the first two issues of Shattered Empire, but this third one jumped the shark for me. Of course that shark jump had to involve stupid Naboo.

I also can't buy that Leia not only is a pilot but is a combat pilot! Where the hell did that come from?! We've never seen her fly anything aside from a speeder bike (does that count as flying?) let alone mention that she has any experience doing so. It's so out of nowhere.

I also can't buy that Leia not only is a pilot but is a combat pilot! Where the hell did that come from?! We've never seen her fly anything aside from a speeder bike (does that count as flying?) let alone mention that she has any experience doing so. It's so out of nowhere.

In Empire Strikes Back, Leia takes over the controls for the Falcon while Han and Chewbacca are trying to do in-flight repairs. We also see her in Han's seat on the Falcon when Lando goes to retrieve Luke from the bottom of Cloud City - implying that she's a better pilot than Lando, since they'd rather send the guy Luke doesn't know to go retrieve him while they've got Imperial fighters coming to look for them (if it was just a matter of sending someone physically stronger to grab him, why not send Chewbacca?) Considering Leia's extensive amount of time in the Rebellion, and obvious ability to fly spacecraft, it's actually perfectly reasonable to assume she's a trained combat pilot.

Your other arguments about how convenient that the Queen of Naboo is somehow a combat pilot as well are compelling though. That just smacks of poor writing and lazy storytelling.

I totally forgot about those scenes, thanks.