here is what I will be trying this thursday at a local shop:
http://ia-armies.com/army/AVpiZM0L
Kayn and Weiss should be able to negate the need for imperial officers in moving the trooper squadrons around. Also, the multiple activations per round could make for a very eventful battle.
Thoughts?
My thought is that the regular Stormtroopers just don't cut it. The Elites are better in every way, and especially when it comes to survivability...the regulars tend to die on one hit most of the time.
So that's my opinion. If you agree, then my suggestion would be to drop either Weiss or Kayn.
16 Weiss
9 Elite ST
9 Elite ST
2 Officer
2 Officer
2 Officer (or Vader's Finest)
That would work.
Or if you wanted Kayn, you could go with this (it's my favorite Kayn list right now):
10 Kayn
9 Elite ST
9 Elite ST
8 Royal Guard
2 Officer
2 Officer
Obviously you're welcome to play whatever you'd like, but I'm just offering alternatives in case you agree with my opinion that the Regular Stormies will be less than ideal.
I do agree that the normal ones die extremely fast. My thinking behind it was that you get 2 squads of them with the normal ones, while having the firepower and interact ability from Weiss.
Banking on the fact that the sheer numbers of deployment units will be able to overpower other lists, but we will see how it goes.
More than likely will be taking the Kayn list that you mentioned above, but wanted to dab with Kayn + Weiss before completely giving up on it. Thank you for the feedback, was actually very helpful
Normal stormtroopers do die really quickly, i wanna try and use them somehow effectivly but not really sure how to do it. They do kick out a lot of damage for their points so they are not completly worthless.
My thinking is that if you keep on model for terminal guarding duty he will be kept back and you might not give away the whole points for their card.
also weiss can move two models anywhere on the map, and kayn can order 2 models to attack the same unit. that in itself with lots of models can be effective. will be taking the original planned list today, will let you guys know how it does.
The Kayn list I have tried before. It can win, but isn't a top tier list. Any list with Weiss will be struggling, sadly 
A semi competitive list that isn't 4x4 could be the list known as Vader's Fist.
Darth Vader
2xRoyal Guards
3xImperial Officer
Still need to borrow a couple of cards or buy two core games though 
also weiss can move two models anywhere on the map, and kayn can order 2 models to attack the same unit. that in itself with lots of models can be effective. will be taking the original planned list today, will let you guys know how it does.
Don't forget he can also kick your models for a little extra movement. That does not count as voluntary movement either.
"A Massive figure can end its movement in spaces that contain blocking terrain and/or other figures. Any figures in its spaces are pushed into the closest empty space of its controller’s choice (taking impassable terrain into account). The player moving the Massive figure pushes friendly figures first, and then other players push their figures."
The Kayn list I have tried before. It can win, but isn't a top tier list. Any list with Weiss will be struggling, sadly
A semi competitive list that isn't 4x4 could be the list known as Vader's Fist.
Darth Vader
2xRoyal Guards
3xImperial Officer
Still need to borrow a couple of cards or buy two core games though
the core lets you build vader's fist list without extras I thought, or did you need command cards?
I think Weiss lists struggle because they don't use him properly. I am very determined to make him work well, going to try tonight and see it goes. He is basically used a imperial officer x2 for "any" friendly on the map, not just adjacent. I am thinking that most likely he will sit there and command units around, then start gunning at anything that gets in range.
will keep people posted as how he does
A semi competitive list that isn't 4x4 could be the list known as Vader's Fist.
Darth Vader
2xRoyal Guards
3xImperial Officer
I've been playing around with this one and it seems to do well, but Rebel Sabs eat it up.
A semi competitive list that isn't 4x4 could be the list known as Vader's Fist.
Darth Vader
2xRoyal Guards
3xImperial Officer
I've been playing around with this one and it seems to do well, but Rebel Sabs eat it up.
I actually tested that for the GenCon Championship this year, but this was before the Pass Rule, and so it suffered too much from a low activation count. It was nice to have more beef than the regular Vader's Fist list, though. And so I think this might be the best Vader list now that the Pass Rule is in effect.
I played it in a casual tournament just this last weekend.
Against the Kayn list I was able to stick two RGs together with one officer, and then Vader with the other two RGs and two officers on the other. Crushed it. The sans Vader group just went for stalling action while the Dark Lord annihilated figures in a rolling stomp wagon.
Then I faced a double Elite Sabs/double Sabs list with Luke and Gideon. They just targeted my RGs, used Luke to reroll that yellow, Pierce 2, Blast 2. Gideon focused Luke who came in for a three die Saber Strike and put a wallop on the big man, then Son of Bi... I mean Skywalker. Killed Luke, but the Sabs brought down both Vader and an RG by targeting an officer and lucking out with double Blast 2 for four.
.... So now I'm afraid to clump them against Blasts. Which seems obvious but I've never had that much trouble before with it.
Sometimes it's not your list but your tactic: https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/186441-4x4-beating-rebel-blast/
the core lets you build vader's fist list without extras I thought, or did you need command cards?The Kayn list I have tried before. It can win, but isn't a top tier list. Any list with Weiss will be struggling, sadly
A semi competitive list that isn't 4x4 could be the list known as Vader's Fist.
Darth Vader
2xRoyal Guards
3xImperial Officer
Still need to borrow a couple of cards or buy two core games though