Looking at this image at BGG, it seems the Frostmarch rules for gaining a quest have you draw the top card from the presumably the quest dek. This is notably different than the rules from the reaper expansion!

I think drawing is an imrovement over choosing in this case (especially if one uses the random treasure card option), I hope there is a note somewhere to reconile the rules descrpancy when playing with both expansions together.

I always plays random, and if i am right, it was a special option in the reaper expansion. ( not sure)

I do it also with the treasure cards.

It's not funny to pick a easy warlock card or the best treasures out of the deck.

Otherwise, all the new warlock cards will be worthless, and you shall never pick up the card that asks you to kill a dragon to complete the task

Agreed, the pick and choose approach was nothing more than a way to push the game faster and faster at the expense of actually playing the game.

I'm pretty sure there is no option in The Reaper set for drawing quests random. I dare say it'll be an improvement! Too often the Warlock's cave is simply a trading post.

I like choosing treasure at the dungeon because killing Lord Of Darkness is no small task. Sometimes the soul reason to go through the dungeon is to acquire a specific treasure one needs against their rival for the endgame. Killing the Lord Of Darkness tends to happen late in the game, so choosing your treasure won't have huge repercussions early on (unlike other insanely good objects that can simply be found).

Treasure for quests is a different matter. Even with harder cards it will be way easier to complete a quest than t kill the Lord Of Darkness. So I'm glad the tressures acquired this way will be random. If you want treasdure, take a quest and spin the wheel. If you want a certain treassure, you have to go get it!

crimhead said:

Well,everyone must play as they want, but the whole game is actually random, and there is no fun for me, to pick the best treasures out of the deck.

it's far more exciting to draw a random treasure card. This way, it's also possible that you will draw a card that is less powerful than the others, but still nice to have.

I can't let that comment slip past - choosing a treasure card is not the only nonrandom aspect of Talisman! You make choices every single turn. Yes, the game is highly random. You have very limited control over your character, but that is not the same as no control. If you didn't make any decisions you wouldn't even really be playing, just watching. I doubt you would enjoy that.

The treasure cards are a matter of taste. I like the game to have as many variants and optional rules as possible because tastes are so wide. My tastes coincide with yours regarding treasues gained from completing quests (as per the Frostmarch), but differ from yours regarding treasures gained from killing Lord Of Darkness. I also encourage everyone to play as they want!

crimhead said:

In polish version it is an alternative rule

Lucky you!

When Frostmarch hits we'll have that option too. I just hope they make a note about combining these expansions. I'd find it most distasteful if the rules form one expansion outright contradict the rules form another. Especially with no FAQ as of yet.

It could also be seen that in chronology, the rules would change, one overriding the previous. Though an FAQ or notation in the latest expansion would be nice to help clarify this point. At this point, a notation is more likely than any FAQ; it has been way too long now to hope that will ever be "officially" released... though I hope I'm wrong on that.

On the other hand, many groups have simply chosen to do a random draw, and that's that, irregardless of which expansions says what.

The danger with a "notation in the latest expansion overriding the previous" mostly, is when dealing with space, characters or event from previous expansion or the main board. The notion of overriding is probably not only a change or a tweak to the game or the mechanic itself, which btw can also create chaos between players in this forum in which we'll have to state if we play "post or pre Frostmarch"

Don't get me wrong! I like what FFG is doing and I'm all for any changes that can be made to facilitate roaming the realm of Talisman, but I seriously suggest that a FAQ and an update rule book including all expansions to date should be put on this forum and things should be taken into consideration or notified (clarified) if you play with such and such expansions and that is because not everybody as all the expansions and sometime even if you have all the expansions it doesn't mean you will used them all in the same game!! (I'm thinking about the table-space challenged folks here)

So be it, we need something to make the rules and changes accessible to everybody and not only available through the latest expansion.

Cheers.

Old Master said:

Yes, i agree, but most rules are only changing when you add a new expansion ( at least it's possible)

If FFG will include it in the manual, then everything is alright.

But a FAQ is another matter, because not everything is clear on what the cards say..

Í hope that it will come soon, so that players can get a quick search, how cards must be used in special situations.

I agree also with JC that it takes too long now. We still have no FAQ and i really wonder when it will be released..

O.M. makes some very valid points, but V. has the real critical detail that matters. If a change matters most to a particular expansion, then only when that expansions is purchased is it going to matter much to most playing groups. And certain changes, such as the prime one we're talking about, do not need any official ruling. That's getting too picky with the "official" criteria. FAQs are for questions concerning rules conflicts or those situations where a rule isn't completely clear to more than just a few players. Also for the many loopholes that have always existed in Talisman. And an updated rule book would only be necessary if more than one core rule was to be changed for the base game and not based on a particular expansion.

The fact that random draw is used by a number of groups... because that's the way decks are used for play on the open boards of the game... is likely enough to spread the practice just through normal player talk... like we do here. We don't need to resort to some type of judges guild approach.

I also agree with V. that the FAQ really does need to be finished for exactly the reason he states. Some players groups are at a loss to deal with exceptions and special conditions on their own.