Big species like the Wookiee and the Hutt have 3 in starting Brawn, but smaller species like the Chadra-Fan and the Drall start out with 1 in Brawn.

Along with Wound Treshold (and maybe Soak?) we get an indication of how big and tough or small and fragile species initially are.

But we can of course use XP on Brawn during character creation and make smaller species pretty strong, or at least physically adept and capable.

However, wouldn`t a bigger species still be stronger than a small one, just not as effective at using his or her(or its) physical strength?

If 2 is average for a human, I guess 3 is average for the big Species. Or you could even flavour starting Brawn as weak to average +, I imagine, depending on the character idea....

I guess this is all very open to interpretation, but I am very curious to know what you guys all think.

Why?...

I am by no means a power gamer, but I want my character concept to make sense, I want the game mechanics to fit the flavour and idea behind the character.

I am stuck between making my big guy Herglic(whale-dude) character concept into a Big-Game Hunter/Trader (initial idea) with (only) 3 Brawn and ranks in Deception and in Negotiation,

Or alternatively make him just a Big-Game Hunter and cut out the Trader spec and the social skills so I can afford 4 in Brawn so his huge size makes more sense...

I could also reduce Agility and Presence back from 3 to 2, but that doesn`t feel right either.... I`m putting waaay too much thought into this!

As of now, I think I`ll stick with the initial idea and have 3 Brawn even if he is bigger than the Wookiee in our group.

Guess I kind of have my answer, I just want a little confirmation from the community I guess.. So, what do you think?

The Chadra-fan.

'cause that's no ordinary Chadra-fan. That's famed professional athlete and martial artist Tolon Neckbiter. And he doesn't take any guff.

If someone's paid the points to be better at something than someone who's paid less, I think they deserve to be better at it.

"Judge me by my size do you? 'cause I will end you."

-this could he Tolon's catchphrase. You should build Tolon.

Size vs. Strength thing - Tolon's still Sil.0, he's just a really muscly Sil.0.

Judge me by my size do you? 'cause I will end you.

With a bite to the neck apparently. Also I agree, the Chadra-Fan is stronger.

I am by no means a power gamer, but I want my character concept to make sense, I want the game mechanics to fit the flavour and idea behind the character.

So build the character so the stats match what's in your head.

Don't give the character a high statistic just because you 'need' it for dice rolls. If something is breaking your suspension of disbelief, then just don't make that high Brawn Jawa.

You are not required to min-max every character.

We have a Chiss Marauder who does just fine with Brawn 3.

I am by no means a power gamer, but I want my character concept to make sense, I want the game mechanics to fit the flavour and idea behind the character.

So build the character so the stats match what's in your head.

Don't give the character a high statistic just because you 'need' it for dice rolls. If something is breaking your suspension of disbelief, then just don't make that high Brawn Jawa.

You are not required to min-max every character.

We have a Chiss Marauder who does just fine with Brawn 3.

That`s exacly the issue. I want my character to make sense, I don`t care about the dice or power. I want the numbers and stats to reflect what I have in my head. Brawn 3 is fine, but does it reflect the size of my huge whale dude?

4 in Brawn might make more sense, but then I would need to take away the Trader spec and/or other stuff that defines the character. I couldn`t care less about power an min-maxing, just want story and character idea to make sense in the stats I give him.

The Wookiee has Wookiee Rage, which is more or less 2 ranks of Feral Strength, which to me is a racial difference of the measure of ferocity between a Wookiee and a Chadra-Fan, and an indication of practical strength.

The Wookiee has Wookiee Rage, which is more or less 2 ranks of Feral Strength, which to me is a racial difference of the measure of ferocity between a Wookiee and a Chadra-Fan, and an indication of practical strength.

The Wookie and the Chadra-Fan are just examples of big and small species. But yes, Wookiee Rage is a good example of other factors playing into it.

I am by no means a power gamer, but I want my character concept to make sense, I want the game mechanics to fit the flavour and idea behind the character.

So build the character so the stats match what's in your head.

Don't give the character a high statistic just because you 'need' it for dice rolls. If something is breaking your suspension of disbelief, then just don't make that high Brawn Jawa.

You are not required to min-max every character.

We have a Chiss Marauder who does just fine with Brawn 3.

That`s exacly the issue. I want my character to make sense, I don`t care about the dice or power. I want the numbers and stats to reflect what I have in my head. Brawn 3 is fine, but does it reflect the size of my huge whale dude?

4 in Brawn might make more sense, but then I would need to take away the Trader spec and/or other stuff that defines the character. I couldn`t care less about power an min-maxing, just want story and character idea to make sense in the stats I give him.

Ah, I see what you're getting at. I think you're good at 3 for purposes of portraying a Herglic's natural size and strength. By default you outstrip the majority of the other species in the galaxy, sometimes by quite a bit, matched only by other species of equal stature. Player Characters like Mr. Neckbiter over there are a possible exception, with Nemesis characters being the other side of that coin, and that's as it should be: PCs and Nemeses are exceptional, and being surpassed by them in something you're naturally good at but don't spend time on makes sense.

The Chadra-fan.

'cause that's no ordinary Chadra-fan. That's famed professional athlete and martial artist Tolon Neckbiter. And he doesn't take any guff.

If someone's paid the points to be better at something than someone who's paid less, I think they deserve to be better at it.

Better, yes! more physically adept and capable, absolutely! ... But Brawn also represents more(and less) than physical strength and pure muscle, and is kind of a loose term, intentionally so, isn`t it?

An Ewok gangster pc with 5 Brawn could easily knock out a huge Besalisk bouncer npc minion with 3 or 4 Brawn, not necessarily because she is stronger (an by no means bigger), but maybe because she is more effective at using that strength.

Or does her 5 mean she is stronger than 3 or 4 in every way, or is it all up to interpretation and flavour? I don`t have the answer, so all thoughts and input is welcome.

There was a kid at my school. He was bullied until he one shotted that big chubby guy. He wasn't bullied after.

An Ewok gangster pc with 5 Brawn could easily knock out a huge Besalisk bouncer npc minion with 3 or 4 Brawn, not necessarily because she is stronger (an by no means bigger), but maybe because she is more effective at using that strength.

Better, yes! more physically adept and capable, absolutely! ... But Brawn also represents more(and less) than physical strength and pure muscle, and is kind of a loose term, intentionally so, isn`t it?

I think you're pretty much on the ball here. The more you pick at it, the more it's going to fall apart. Which is why I don't think too hard about standard hit point systems in most games.

Don't look at it as strong as, look at it as strength proportionate to size, an ant can't pick up a paint can like a human can but it can still pick up 10 times its weight.

If a chadra fan has 4 brawn he is a very, very strong Chadra Fan. There are bound to be such oddities everywhere.

Look at the average Japanese male than look at a rikishi.

Take a look at Bruce Lee. He was quite the little guy (5'7" and very lean), but he was also incredibly strong, and could knock bigger guys across the mat with a single punch.

So yes, you could have a Chadra-Fan or other "smalls" species that could toss a Brawn 3 Wookie around like a rag doll.

The Wookiee as a species has a natural advantage in terms of raw strength, given that they start out at Brawn 3. But while unlikely, a Chadra-Fan could pump themselves up to surpass your average Wookiee; they'd probably be incredibly ripped and/or packed with muscle.

^Yep. And because of that he will be sorely lacking in a lot of other arena's.

What?
You think it's all in how tall you are?

I so hope that is photoshopped...

I so hope that is photoshopped...

Or parents in jail and kid in steroids rehab and a foster home...

Just google "child body builder" and you'll (unfortunately) get plenty of those...

I personally think that doing that to your child is horrid and should be illegal, but my point was that the kid is most likely tons stronger than I am

Just google "child body builder" and you'll (unfortunately) get plenty of those...

I personally think that doing that to your child is horrid and should be illegal, but my point was that the kid is most likely tons stronger than I am

I think it is illegal most places.... Hmm, I know he looks stronger, but is he really? That can`t be healthy! He`s probably gonna have lots of health issues way earlier than he should.

A Chadra-fan MMA fighter? <ponders>
I think its going to come down to body proportions than anything else. Brawn, for a wookie, might mean the ability to punch some mook through a wall. For a Chadra, it may mean the ability to lift 3 or 4 times his own body mass and haul it a country mile. Wookies are brawny in bursts, Chadras just bench-press Buicks all day.

Just google "child body builder" and you'll (unfortunately) get plenty of those...

I personally think that doing that to your child is horrid and should be illegal, but my point was that the kid is most likely tons stronger than I am

I think it is illegal most places.... Hmm, I know he looks stronger, but is he really? That can`t be healthy! He`s probably gonna have lots of health issues way earlier than he should.

Oh he definately will have health issues, which is why I think it should be illegal (although, I've never heard of it being illegal anywhere)

Just google "child body builder" and you'll (unfortunately) get plenty of those...

I personally think that doing that to your child is horrid and should be illegal, but my point was that the kid is most likely tons stronger than I am

I think it is illegal most places.... Hmm, I know he looks stronger, but is he really? That can`t be healthy! He`s probably gonna have lots of health issues way earlier than he should.

Oh he definately will have health issues, which is why I think it should be illegal (although, I've never heard of it being illegal anywhere)

They gotta be on steroids and training way more than is good for them, that`s likely both physical abuse and psychological abuse. That`s got to be illegal most sane places, even in Sweden..

As a direct mechanic, I would say the Chadra BUT, outside just mechanics and on off scenes, I would let the wookie win XD