Yes minimal EU gunk please. Dreadnought as a medium ship would be ok, as would a mid sized mon cal ship. Other than that, some new designs by a good design team would be great!

And once it's made that migration it can be considered for inclusion. Not before!

I sound pretty hardline on it, but I'm really not. IMO, much of the legends stuff was put together by undisciplined minds who didn't have the same creative control and guidance that the ILM team did when working on the OT. As a result, a lot of the legends stuff is just ugly. Not ugly in a good way like the Falcon, but ugly in a bad way like the HWK290 or TIE Punishingerest.

Sound like you are talking about the Raider...

The Raider is a uninsprired and pretty stupid design, I would take a lancer frigate over it anyday.

Why?! A Lancer would be useless against an all ship build and of little use against a squadron light build.The Raider at least has enough anti-ship weapons that it doesn't have to flee from ships two-thirds its size. The same can not be said for either the Lancer or the Tartan.

And if they give a Lancer enough anti-ship weapons to be off use in Armada then it isn't really a Lancer is it?

Edit: I suppose they could have used the anti-fighter Carrack variant in Armada but if a Lancer or Tartan is to big for X-Wing then a Carrack is definitely too large for it so they would still need to create a new ship for it. They just decided to create a new ship and use it in both games.

Wave introduces new rules for fleet carriers - the regenerate 1 health of every friendly squadron in base contact with them during the status phase. New ships:

Small base Carriers:

Imperial - Gozanti class cruisers (can be carrier for squadrons with 3 HP or less)

Rebel - modified 'farstar' CR90 (can be carrier for squadrons with 4 HP or less)

Med baseCarriers:

Imperial - Escort carrier

Rebel - Something better than that horrible carrier from Empire at war. Maybe modified strike cruiser? it looks like a knobbly turd so fits the bill.

Elite fighter squadrons pack

Imperial - 2x TIE defender, 2x Assault gunboat (but likely TIE punisher, ugh)

Rebel - 2x K and E wings each

I think a Gozanti is too small for a small base...it's less than a third of the size of a CR90! I guess they could, but that sliding scale is going to have to slide like a mofo to stop it looking pretty stupid.

Just use a Quasar Fire instead, that would make people happy (especially with the Flurry title). Wouldnt make ME that happy since i think it's a dumb ship, but it's more fitting for this purpose.

The rebels had a carrier in Empire at War? I could swear that the ship mounted hanger bays were unique to the Empire in that game. I would like to see the Liberator cruiser-carriers from Rebellion.

And they wouldn't need to modify the Strike Cruiser to make it a carrier. The Strike was designed with a module system to swipe modules when different roles were required so they just need to equip them with hanger modules. But the Strike appears far more often in Imperial hands in the lore then in Rebel hands.

Is this the thread where I beg for the escort carrier in its filter feeding glory!?

Strike. Cruiser.

And once it's made that migration it can be considered for inclusion. Not before!

I sound pretty hardline on it, but I'm really not. IMO, much of the legends stuff was put together by undisciplined minds who didn't have the same creative control and guidance that the ILM team did when working on the OT. As a result, a lot of the legends stuff is just ugly. Not ugly in a good way like the Falcon, but ugly in a bad way like the HWK290 or TIE Punishingerest.

Sound like you are talking about the Raider...

The Raider is a uninsprired and pretty stupid design, I would take a lancer frigate over it anyday.

It was a valid counter to his EU/Legends hate speech, you have to give me that.

The Raider is a uninsprired and pretty stupid design, I would take a lancer frigate over it anyday.

Lancer? Lancer...

Oh, you mean the space dong!

Still in the phallic stage?

It was a valid counter to his EU/Legends hate speech, you have to give me that.

It was more that if there is going to be any mention of the raider in these threads I know within a few posts you'll be here to roll out the campaign slogan.

Ultimately though I know we all have our little bugbears and annoyances so I've no issue with your campaign against the Raider. I just find it amusing.

It was a valid counter to his EU/Legends hate speech, you have to give me that.

Perhaps but you completely ignored my reasoning why I felt FFH chose to make a new ship over the Lancer

Considering the Interdictor is fully canonized now I would expect to see that soon. I think we need one additional ship though for a full wave.

For Rebels it could either be the modified CR-90 command ship that we saw in the season 2 premiere, or possibly a new Mon Cal ship. In the beta for Star Wars Battlefront, the Sullust map features the wider Mon Cal cruiser, the type that looks to have "wings" on the sides. It's really quite beautiful.

From the rebellion PC game, the Rebel Liberator cruiser was one of my favorite ship designs of all time. Large carrier.

FFG has started to showcase the DC20 Corellian Gunship in some of thier other products.

Don't like the Legends ships? Sorry to hear that, but I can almost guaranty they will be coming. The OT is almost spent. They will barely touch the PT, and new content is coming out to slowly. They are not going to shut everything down waiting for new content... They will be doing exactley what Disney said they would do with the legends stuff... Scavenge it for useful parts. It's what FFG has been doing, and what they will continue to do.

Now that we've got a pretty wide variety of ships, I'd like to see some more specialized capital ships. Dedicated carriers would be a blessing for squadron play, for example. Similarly things like Interdictors and the like.

Borrowing from BFG, but squadrons that are effectively boarding parties would be really neat. Stormtroopers boarding your Correllian Corvettes!

Now that we've got a pretty wide variety of ships, I'd like to see some more specialized capital ships. Dedicated carriers would be a blessing for squadron play, for example. Similarly things like Interdictors and the like.

Borrowing from BFG, but squadrons that are effectively boarding parties would be really neat. Stormtroopers boarding your Correllian Corvettes!

I'd be very suprised to see FFG introduce that type of mechanic as they typically trend away from such in depth interactions in their standard play systems. Nor is it something to relevant in the background info.

Why?! A Lancer would be useless against an all ship build and of little use against a squadron light build.The Raider at least has enough anti-ship weapons that it doesn't have to flee from ships two-thirds its size. The same can not be said for either the Lancer or the Tartan.

And if they give a Lancer enough anti-ship weapons to be off use in Armada then it isn't really a Lancer is it?

Edit: I suppose they could have used the anti-fighter Carrack variant in Armada but if a Lancer or Tartan is to big for X-Wing then a Carrack is definitely too large for it so they would still need to create a new ship for it. They just decided to create a new ship and use it in both games.

You mean you want to give struggling squadron lists a very hard counter? Sure, Escort nebulons exist, but they have very weak side arcs they cannot protect.

Now that we've got a pretty wide variety of ships, I'd like to see some more specialized capital ships. Dedicated carriers would be a blessing for squadron play, for example. Similarly things like Interdictors and the like.

Borrowing from BFG, but squadrons that are effectively boarding parties would be really neat. Stormtroopers boarding your Correllian Corvettes!

We've seen boarding once, and while someone could argue that's a perfectly good reason to feature in in Armada, the ship was pretty much all but destroyed at that point. It could have been an objective card to overlap the position of a "destroyed" ship to capture it, but ultimately that isn't what happened (though... anyone up for thinking up new objectives?)

...The problem with coming down on Legends continuity is that everyone has a different opinion on what "works" and what doesn't. Lancers and Carracks have long and established histories in the Legends universe and very well may return... but I find I don't miss them if they are gone. Even the Dreadnought, oddly one of my favorite designs, I'm okay not seeing again in "canon". All three of these designs are pretty much the same elongated brick with minor differences in them.

While the Raider is "just another arrowhead", I'd argue that it brings it more in-line with the other Imperial craft in a universe that debuted the arrow-shaped design for space ships. Brick-ships are common anywhere in science fiction (just look at Halo), but only Star Wars has the iconic wedge shapes. So the Raider is very much at home in Star Wars, and it's here to stay. Thank you FFG for not giving us an embarrassment like spacecraft from Galaxies and Galactic Battlegrounds (See, my own opinion on designs other people profess to like!)

What it comes down to is a matter of popularity. We will probably at some point see the Lancer, Carrack, and Dreadnought return to the lore in the future. Whether they show up in Armada or not depends on if FFG feels they need a role filled. What we will not see are the Yuuzan-Vong. Not only have they been overwritten by the new canon of Episode 7, but they were not very well liked by the community to begin with.

So when trashing stuff for not being canon just stop and think of all the things that are slowly migrating in. There's a good chance things like HWKs, TIE Defenders, and other mainstays that you see others finding popular will be canon soon.

Don't like the Legends ships? Sorry to hear that, but I can almost guaranty they will be coming. The OT is almost spent. They will barely touch the PT, and new content is coming out to slowly. They are not going to shut everything down waiting for new content... They will be doing exactley what Disney said they would do with the legends stuff... Scavenge it for useful parts. It's what FFG has been doing, and what they will continue to do.

Where did I say that? But the Lancer has one major flaw that makes it very unlikely for it to appear in Armada IMO. It can shred fighters with ease but can't scratch another capital ship unless it gets very lucky. They could change that but then the ship in question would not be a Lancer IMO. It would just be an impersonator with the Lancer's shape and name.

And once it's made that migration it can be considered for inclusion. Not before!

I sound pretty hardline on it, but I'm really not. IMO, much of the legends stuff was put together by undisciplined minds who didn't have the same creative control and guidance that the ILM team did when working on the OT. As a result, a lot of the legends stuff is just ugly. Not ugly in a good way like the Falcon, but ugly in a bad way like the HWK290 or TIE Punishingerest.

Sound like you are talking about the Raider...

The Raider is a uninsprired and pretty stupid design, I would take a lancer frigate over it anyday.

Why?! A Lancer would be useless against an all ship build and of little use against a squadron light build.The Raider at least has enough anti-ship weapons that it doesn't have to flee from ships two-thirds its size. The same can not be said for either the Lancer or the Tartan.

And if they give a Lancer enough anti-ship weapons to be off use in Armada then it isn't really a Lancer is it?

Edit: I suppose they could have used the anti-fighter Carrack variant in Armada but if a Lancer or Tartan is to big for X-Wing then a Carrack is definitely too large for it so they would still need to create a new ship for it. They just decided to create a new ship and use it in both games.

First of all I would like to see a ship with a sepcial purpose, because it opens new tactical possbilities. You should at least have the opportunityto field a flak-ship liek the lance in a setting where figther(-bomber) are supposed to be very dangerous and deciding.

The lance has an interesting and unique design from which armada could benefit more than just a corvette clone with an very unispired design.

Further you can see that a Lancer should be at least as useful against capital ships as the Corvette:

Don't like the Legends ships? Sorry to hear that, but I can almost guaranty they will be coming. The OT is almost spent. They will barely touch the PT, and new content is coming out to slowly. They are not going to shut everything down waiting for new content... They will be doing exactley what Disney said they would do with the legends stuff... Scavenge it for useful parts. It's what FFG has been doing, and what they will continue to do.

Where did I say that? But the Lancer has one major flaw that makes it very unlikely for it to appear in Armada IMO. It can shred fighters with ease but can't scratch another capital ship unless it gets very lucky. They could change that but then the ship in question would not be a Lancer IMO. It would just be an impersonator with the Lancer's shape and name.

Sorry RC; that wasn't in response to you, but to some of the other posters who didn't want yucky Legends ships in THEIR Armada.

And once it's made that migration it can be considered for inclusion. Not before!

I sound pretty hardline on it, but I'm really not. IMO, much of the legends stuff was put together by undisciplined minds who didn't have the same creative control and guidance that the ILM team did when working on the OT. As a result, a lot of the legends stuff is just ugly. Not ugly in a good way like the Falcon, but ugly in a bad way like the HWK290 or TIE Punishingerest.

Sound like you are talking about the Raider...

The Raider is a uninsprired and pretty stupid design, I would take a lancer frigate over it anyday.

Why?! A Lancer would be useless against an all ship build and of little use against a squadron light build.The Raider at least has enough anti-ship weapons that it doesn't have to flee from ships two-thirds its size. The same can not be said for either the Lancer or the Tartan.

And if they give a Lancer enough anti-ship weapons to be off use in Armada then it isn't really a Lancer is it?

Edit: I suppose they could have used the anti-fighter Carrack variant in Armada but if a Lancer or Tartan is to big for X-Wing then a Carrack is definitely too large for it so they would still need to create a new ship for it. They just decided to create a new ship and use it in both games.

First of all I would like to see a ship with a sepcial purpose, because it opens new tactical possbilities. You should at least have the opportunityto field a flak-ship liek the lance in a setting where figther(-bomber) are supposed to be very dangerous and deciding.

The lance has an interesting and unique design from which armada could benefit more than just a corvette clone with an very unispired design.

Further you can see that a Lancer should be at least as useful against capital ships as the Corvette:

Why do you think that a Lancer would do as much damage to a capital ship as a CR-90?

In D6 a Lancer's guns took a massive damage penalty against capital ships, or rather the capital ships got a massive soak boost when targeted by them.

In Saga the gap between the damage output of a Lancer's weapons and the ability of the CR90's shields and armor to adsorb damage was so great that it pretty much too a critical hit or a near max damage roll with extra damage dice from the battery rules to even drain the CR90's shields much less knock HP off it. The same was not true of a CR90's weapons which had more then 150 percent higher damage output.then a Lancer's guns while the Lancer only had 25 percent stronger shielding. The Saga Tartan's did have a fity percent higher basic damage output per battery but they also had only half the batteries that a Lancer did and almost thirty percent weaker shields then the Lancer so while they might be able to inflict minor damage on the CR90 with each shot the CR90 will be inflicting much greater damage in return.

And in FFG the armor of a CR90 negates the damage of a Lancer's weapons. The same is not true of a Lancer's Armor verus a CR90's weapons. In fact one hit from one of the lighter weapons a CR90 carries will knock off a little over ten percent of a Lancer's Hull Trauma threshold.

The armament of a Lancer or Tartan is intended purely for anti-fighter use while a CR90 carries anti-ship weapons which means the CR90 has a massive advantage when fighting them.

The Carrack cruiser has appeared in the Aftermath novel just released. It is being used as a recon/communications ship in the service of the New Republic.

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Would you consider buying a Small-Base Rebel ship that only had, say, 1 blue die for each of its battery armaments all around, but an Anti-Squadron All-The-Time of 3 Blues ?

Cool I knew an Imperial Carrack appeared in Tarkin and knew Aftermath had a Carrack but didn't realize it was an NR ship.