Anybody out there who won both an ISD and a shrimp want to test this out?

I'm about 95% sure that, if I take a shrimp nose-to-nose with an ISD, I can theoretically pull off a double side arc shot into the nose. I have an ISD mockup, and it works, but the mockup's not perfect. The shot may work into other arcs as well, but the size of that ISD front arc makes it a nice big target for this kind of shenanigans...

I think you can indeed. Those arcs. . . . Very sharp

.... As a rebel player I would think I did something wrong if my mc30 was nose to nose with an ISD! in all seriousness though I think you are right and an mc30 would lay a lot of hurt on an ISD but that shrimp is toast next turn

I actually do this maneuver currently with CR90B vs VSD's, and it works beautifully. You just have to set it up right. You bid substantially for initiative, kick the corvette in at speed 4 on your last activation, take your shot on first activation, and gtfo afterward. Works quite well when it works, and looks super cool.

That said, now that I lay it out like that, not 100% sure on the possibility of going over an ISD lengthwise even at speed 4... Even so, though, I would be happy to trade a shrimp for an ISD flagship.

It seems General Rieekan (don't discard destroyed ship until end of round) would make this possible even if you didn't have initiative. Kamikaze shrimps incoming.

It works on the rear quite lovely

Oh, beautiful.

How about line of sight or yellow targeting dots? Wont those factor in?

Im all for it though!

that is just wrong in so many ways.

Muelmuel, LoS is only obstructed by the defender's arcs. Which is weird, but that's how it is.

How about line of sight or yellow targeting dots? Wont those factor in?

Im all for it though!

Awesome. Double side arcs ramming shrimps it is then!

I'm confused, i didn't think you could shoot at the same hull zone twice?

You can't shoot with the same hull zone twice.

I actually do this maneuver currently with CR90B vs VSD's, and it works beautifully. You just have to set it up right. You bid substantially for initiative, kick the corvette in at speed 4 on your last activation, take your shot on first activation, and gtfo afterward. Works quite well when it works, and looks super cool.

That said, now that I lay it out like that, not 100% sure on the possibility of going over an ISD lengthwise even at speed 4... Even so, though, I would be happy to trade a shrimp for an ISD flagship.

I thought LOS worked like this:

1) The defending yellow dot must be within the fire arc lines of the attacking vessel (or is it any part/all of the defending ship's base?)

-- AND --

2) There must be a clear LOS between the yellow dot on the attacking hull zone and the defending hull zone.

This means it is very difficult/impossible to double-tap a single hull zone. Even with a CR90 and a VSD infront of me as I type this, I have no idea how you could pull this off.

You can cross your own arc line if they overlap the hull zone you are attacking.

I got both the side and front arcs on the side hull zone of an ISD at a very flat angle to the ISD. I didn't want anything to do with the front arc of the ISD.

I got both the side and front arcs on the side hull zone of an ISD at a very flat angle to the ISD. I didn't want anything to do with the front arc of the ISD.

I got both the side and front arcs on the side hull zone of an ISD at a very flat angle to the ISD. I didn't want anything to do with the front arc of the ISD.

CR90 can't hit the rear with both side arcs. Side arc however may be a thing. . .

I was unclear. I fired both the front and side arcs of an MC30 on the side hull zone of an ISD at a seemingly flat angle. I had been flying more or less perpendicular to the ISD and it only took one click at one joint to put both arcs on target.

I got both the side and front arcs on the side hull zone of an ISD at a very flat angle to the ISD. I didn't want anything to do with the front arc of the ISD.

CR90 can't hit the rear with both side arcs. Side arc however may be a thing. . .

I was unclear. I fired both the front and side arcs of an MC30 on the side hull zone of an ISD at a seemingly flat angle. I had been flying more or less perpendicular to the ISD and it only took one click at one joint to put both arcs on target.

Getting 2 side arcs is the difficult part

I actually do this maneuver currently with CR90B vs VSD's, and it works beautifully. You just have to set it up right. You bid substantially for initiative, kick the corvette in at speed 4 on your last activation, take your shot on first activation, and gtfo afterward. Works quite well when it works, and looks super cool.

That said, now that I lay it out like that, not 100% sure on the possibility of going over an ISD lengthwise even at speed 4... Even so, though, I would be happy to trade a shrimp for an ISD flagship.

I thought LOS worked like this:

1) The defending yellow dot must be within the fire arc lines of the attacking vessel (or is it any part/all of the defending ship's base?)

-- AND --

2) There must be a clear LOS between the yellow dot on the attacking hull zone and the defending hull zone.

This means it is very difficult/impossible to double-tap a single hull zone. Even with a CR90 and a VSD infront of me as I type this, I have no idea how you could pull this off.

I think I might have been unclear about the CR90 maneuver I do currently: I don't get double side arcs with it (wouldn't want to), I was just saying that I go nose-to-nose with VSDs.

As for the LoS: to have LoS from attacking zone to defending zone, you have to be able to trace a line from the yellow dot in the attacking zone to the yellow dot in the defending zone without crossing an arc line on the *defending* hull. Thus, it is actually very easy to get LoS to that ISD front hull zone.

What is harder is getting arc on it from both sides. To get arc, a line traced out from your hull zone line has to intersect any part of the target hull zone. It's not terribly difficult to do this with two adjacent hull zones at the same time (e.g., get arc from the attacker's front and side arc at the same time); it's much more difficult to get it from two non-adjacent zones (e.g., from left and right hull zones).

Hope that clarified rather than confused further, heh.

I'm confused, i didn't think you could shoot at the same hull zone twice?

I was pretty sure you couldn't shoot at the same ship twice. Regardless of what arcs you're shooting with...

I'm confused, i didn't think you could shoot at the same hull zone twice?

I was pretty sure you couldn't shoot at the same ship twice. Regardless of what arcs you're shooting with...

If you could not shoot the same ship twice, Advanced Gunnery objective would be horrible

I'm confused, i didn't think you could shoot at the same hull zone twice?

I was pretty sure you couldn't shoot at the same ship twice. Regardless of what arcs you're shooting with...

Only as long as it is not the same arc.

If you could not shoot the same ship twice, Advanced Gunnery objective would be horrible

And Paragon would be literally useless.

To be clear; I can shoot at the same hull zone twice as long as I use two different hull zones to do it? I have been playing this seriously wrong if that's the case and God knows how I walked away with first at Sullust!