Okay, total newbie alert here. Lol.

Reading the rules on loyalty has confused the toot out of me.

According to the rules, you have the banner, it's loyal, okay no probs.

No banner not loyal...... Erm certain cards in each faction do not have those banners, but..... The pre made example include them. Yes, I know it mentions about them not using custom deck loyalty rules... So.....

Do I add non bannered cards from a faction I to my deck if not using the agenda option?

All the best.

Richard

"Unless otherwise permitted by an ability (e.g. the Banner agendas), each card in a player’s deck and plot deck must be neutral or its affiliation must match the affiliation of that player’s faction card."

So if you are following the custom deckbuilding rules, you may not use cards from a different faction (loyal or non-loyal) at all - unless a card effect, like the Agendas, allows you to include cards from other factions. However, if you are using a card effect (like the Agendas) that allow you to include cards from other factions, you are only allowed to use non-loyal cards from those different factions.

Thank you, so if I have this right.... Puts on best newbie hat.

If I play the agenda side of my faction card, it says, I can include no. Loyal cards as long as I have at least 12 of my given faction cards.

Now,i can have a min of 60 cards. I notice that the House of Lannister has 20 cards both loyal and non loyal. House Stark has 14 non loyal cards, so that means I need 26 neutrals to make that 60 card min.

Hopefully I have got that right, sorry for being a newb, but everyone needs to start somewhere and it's better to get it right at the start.

All the best.

Richard

It's correct. You don't have many choices here if you just use ONE core set. I think that's why they introduce the premake-deck rule and kingslayer rule for ONE-core-set players.

Now,i can have a min of 60 cards. I notice that the House of Lannister has 20 cards both loyal and non loyal. House Stark has 14 non loyal cards, so that means I need 26 neutrals to make that 60 card min.

That is correct, and why building with the custom deck building rules and a single core set is so hard. With multiple core sets, that 20 from Lannister turns into a potential of 60 and the 14 from stark turns into a potential 42 because you can have up to 3 copies of a card by title.

Thanks for the clarification. I only have the one core to see how I go, but I'm sure I will get more.

The rule book on loyalty is a bit vague, but now I know I can us multiple factions to make up the decks I should be fine for a while.

What confused me was the pre made sets in the rules book. I noticed that they were for two hous s and assumed that was how it was done, with just the two sets. But..... As long as you have the right amount of faction cards while using an agenda card, you can use any other factions non loyal cards to make up part if the deck.

Yet again, thanks for the help.

Got my set and playmat..... Ready to go!! Lol.

All the best.

Richard

Thank you, so if I have this right.... Puts on best newbie hat.

If I play the agenda side of my faction card, it says, I can include no. Loyal cards as long as I have at least 12 of my given faction cards.

Actually not quite correct. You play the banner of a different faction & that lets you use their non loyal cards provided you use at least 12 of them. Confused the hell out of me.

Just in case, give you an example:

If your use Stark without agenda/fealty, you can only use stark cards and neutral cards. You cannot use cards from any other factions no matter whether it is loyal or not.

If your use Stark with a banner agenda (for example banner of lion), you can include stark cards, neutral cards and non-loyal lannister cards. The number of those non-loyal lannister cards has to be at least 12. You cannot use cards from other factions.

If your faction card is Stark and you use a banner of wolf agenda, it's similar to the first case. You cannot use cards other than stark and neutral. The difference in this case is that you have to include at least 12 non-loyal stark cards.

I'm still confused. Is the following correct?

- Your deck must include 1 faction card.

- Your deck can include up to 1 agenda card. (These are either just Agendas or Agendas with the subtype: Banner)

- Loyal cards can only be included in decks if they match the faction card of that deck; Loyal cards can't be 'splashed' (for example, you can't ever make a deck with Cersei and Robert in it)

- Non-loyal cards can only be included in decks if they match the faction card of that deck or if they correspond to the banner agenda included in the deck?

- When 'splashing' a second faction that splash must be at least 12 cards in number

- At most you can only ever include cards from faction A, cards from faction B and neutral cards in your deck.

When it comes to deck building there are 2 options:

- Mono faction deck - you include 1 faction card and can only include faction based cards matching your faction card and neutral cards. You can include 1 'neutral' agenda - something like 'Fealty' (This is the only neutral agenda at the moment, will more be printed in future expansions?)

- Double faction deck - you include 1 faction card (this denotes your 'main' faction, allowing you to include loyal and non-loyal cards of that faction without restriction) and 1 banner agenda (this denotes your 'secondary' faction, allowing you to include non-loyal cards of that faction, but requiring at least 12 cards of that faction). You can also include neutral cards.

Yes - everything you detail there is exactly correct. As for future agendas, the announcement article for the third chapter pack included a spoiler for the agenda `Lords of the Crossing`.