Hi all,

I have 3 Y-wings, one from a scum and villainy set, and a bunch of Z's. I know you can use the dial's and ships interchangeably (in a tournament that is), but what do you do about the base plate cards? I say this as it dawned on me when I was thinking about fielding a 4TLT list to test them out, you know, check how they fly (best way to know your enemy). I also have a couple of friends that don't own any ships, but use mine, so I have lots of ships and was about to get another scum set to cover this scenario.

Anyway, what's the best way to get(/buy) 4 legal* ships up and running. Better to run as Scum? (I know I can proxy for casual play, but I am interested what people have done regardless.)

In another list testing exercise I wish to use (BBBBZ), I have 3 B-wings (2 x Blister and one Aces (also 3 a-wings)), I suspect it is much better, upgrade card wise, to get another rebel aces pack to fill that list niche?

Cheers.

The rule is any faction for the dial and miniature. Faction specific for the ship token and pilot card.

So in order to run x4 Y-Wing TLT in scum you require:

x4 Syndicate Thug ship token

x4 Syndicate Thug pilot card

It sounds like you own x1 Most Wanted and aat least 1 Z-95 expansion pack?

So to make the scum TLT list, you'll need a 2nd Most Wanted pack

I presume your other Y's are from the rebel expansion pack, so to make a x4 Y-wing TLT in scum you'd require two more Y-wing packs. Plus x2 K-Wings for the TLTs if you've not got them

Yes, currently 1 most wanted, 3 rebel z-95 blisters, and 2 Y-wing blisters. Kind of annoying that the scum ones aren't backwards compatible with the rebels, in that if I buy the most wanted the rebel bsaic pilots aren't also included.

in that if I buy the most wanted the rebel bsaic pilots aren't also included.

Why would the include pilots from a different faction in the Most Wanted pack?

The whole point is you are buying S&V Y-Wings, not a generic Y-Wing usable by both factions. So naturally it only comes with S&V pilots. This isn't a matter of being backward compatible, it's about buying an expansion for a given faction.

Why? Because, to field four Y's from one faction, I have to own 6 peices of Y wing plastic. Hey, I get it, business model yada yada, it just seems a bit, dare I say it... scummy.

Why? Because, to field four Y's from one faction, I have to own 6 peices of Y wing plastic. Hey, I get it, business model yada yada, it just seems a bit, dare I say it... scummy.

No, you can field four from either of those factions without buying more than four ships.

To be able to field four Y-Wings from both of its two different factions you need at least six models (or a secondary market source), true.

Yah. Each faction. Poor wording, that's what I meant to say. Cheers.

2 Copies of Most Wanted and 2 Rebel Y-Wings will allow you to fly either 4 of any Scum generic or a mixed Gold/Grey Squad of 4 Rebel X-Wings.

1 copy of Most Wanted and two Rebel Y-Wings allows you to fly 2 of 1 generic and 1 of the other for either Rebels or Scum.

You need 4 Rebel Y-Wings if you want to fly 4 of the same Rebel Generic in a squad.

The Scum base plates are:

Hired Gun - Syndicate Thug

Hired Gun - Drea

Syndicate Thug - Kavil

The Rebel base plates are:

Gold - Dutch

Gray - Horton

Ahhh, gold/greys, there's a subtlety I hadn't thought of. That's why I nub like me come's here. Thanks!

Ahh... the age old question of "Why didn't they include some Rebel pilots in the Most Wanted pack for the Z-95s and the Y-wing?"

The answer: Because it's a Scum & Villainy pack. I suppose the question would have been similar if they'd re-used a couple of Imperial ship models instead. But they didn't. The ONLY packs where you can get pilots and ships of more than one faction are the two core sets. It's partly a business thing, but more likely it's because they just don't release multi-faction expansions. It's a massive bonus that you get cards, dials and tokens for ships that aren't in the pack - the HWK and the Firespray.

As games go, this one is pretty flexible in some areas. But it really bugs me when people gripe about having to buy more ships just so they can field a particular list. It ranks up there with "why do they always put the upgrade cards I want in the expansions for the faction I don't collect?" - (Don't get me started on that one)

This is the ONLY game I've seen where the models are of such a high quality and come pre-painted (except maybe Armada). It's not like you don't get good value for your money either. Compare these models to anything from GW in a similar size and you'll see what I mean. And you have to paint GW models.

If you want to play this game, you have to accept the inevitable plastic-crack habit that goes with it. And if that involves buying some more ships, then so be it. The other choice is not to play that list and then you don't need to buy those ships.

/rant

Ahh... the age old question of "Why didn't they include some Rebel pilots in the Most Wanted pack for the Z-95s and the Y-wing?"

The answer: Because it's a Scum & Villainy pack. I suppose the question would have been similar if they'd re-used a couple of Imperial ship models instead. But they didn't. The ONLY packs where you can get pilots and ships of more than one faction are the two core sets. It's partly a business thing, but more likely it's because they just don't release multi-faction expansions. It's a massive bonus that you get cards, dials and tokens for ships that aren't in the pack - the HWK and the Firespray.

As games go, this one is pretty flexible in some areas. But it really bugs me when people gripe about having to buy more ships just so they can field a particular list. It ranks up there with "why do they always put the upgrade cards I want in the expansions for the faction I don't collect?" - (Don't get me started on that one)

This is the ONLY game I've seen where the models are of such a high quality and come pre-painted (except maybe Armada). It's not like you don't get good value for your money either. Compare these models to anything from GW in a similar size and you'll see what I mean. And you have to paint GW models.

If you want to play this game, you have to accept the inevitable plastic-crack habit that goes with it. And if that involves buying some more ships, then so be it. The other choice is not to play that list and then you don't need to buy those ships.

For people that are just starting now Most Wanted probably seems like a mess of a product. They likely don't have Firesprays, HWKs, Ys, and Zs laying around. Why include dials for ships that aren't included in the box and if you are going to include dials why isn't there 1 more of each? The box lets you field 3 Zs, 3 Ys, 2 HWKs, and 2 Firesprays.

Then some old timer will sit them down and tell them about how rough it was back in olden times when you needed a dial that matched your faction.

Hey man, It shouldnt bug you when I say something is "kind of annoying". It's not like I said I was in fit of blinding padewan killing rage or anything.

Also not all of us came from a GW background and have that perspective. If x wing is a breath of "cheap" air to you, some of us still smell the pong of a silent fart every now and then.

I'm sorry if that offended you, but this has come up so many times and every time someone has complained about what a bad deal it was, or why weren't there any Rebel pilot cards, or whatever.

This game, like any other, requires the correct components. It's that simple.

And I don't come from a GW background. I was trying to point out that this game is far more cost effective to get into than ANYTHING from GW.

I'm never offended on a forum. Who has time for that. Diversity of opinion is fine with me. It's all good. I even have money to buy these things. I get it, but point me toward anyone in this whole world that wants to pay more than they have too. Oh wait, people buy Calvin clean underwear...

There are plenty of places on the Internet where you could pick up the extra pilot cards and base tokens you'd need to field a 4 Y-Wing list.

At one time an argument was made that a ship MUST use the dial appropriate to its faction to be legal. A reason cited for this would be to force a person to buy more ships to play these multiple faction ships. This just made it so that if you wanted to fly Scum Zs you had to buy Most Wanted but if you wanted to fly Rebel Zs you had to buy expansions; if you wanted a Rebel squadron with Zs Most Wanted did you no go because you couldn't fly those ships.

Now pointing out that the correct pilot cards and base tiles are still required leaves a limit on how easy it is for ships to cross over. This makes it much easier to see how the dial colors don't matter at all as you still need to get those other components to fly a ship. If you have Most Wanted and two Z-95 expansions you can now fly four Rebel Z-95s although because of tile availability you're going to have a bunch of different ships.