Is it just me or is the Home One cruiser model not bit to small?

When you see the Battle of Endor in ROTJ, there is a scene where you see a Home One cruiser moving above past an ISD, and it is quite evident that the Home One is very big, if not bigger than the ISD below it, but the bridge structure on the ISD is for sure much smaller in width than the Home One Cruiser above it.

But when you look at the new model of Home One it is not much wider than the Bridge structure of the ISD model.

So it just looks very odd to me when they are placed next to each other.

Se the clip at 4:37

So what do you think? Should Mel or Utar can make a correct "Movie scaled" version of Home One

PS: I know I maybe will start another beaten dead horse debate, but hey this is what this community is for

As far as I recall, it is actually smaller then the Star Destroyer. I remember over time this thing in both games and fluff kept growing larger every time it was described. Most of the time it was to provide a valid counter for the Super Star Destroyer. As far as I recall it was supposed to be smaller at 1200-1400 meters. So Fantasy Flight should be pretty accurate.

Well the only way to really assertain the actual scale (and lenght) of the new Home One model is to messure the height of the side hangerbay doors.

As the Lambda shuttle with folded wings must be able to fit through it, And once you know the Lambda's height with folded wings, then it is a question of math.

But as SW is a space fantasy universe, and according to various sorces, the MC80 type cruiser was built in various shapes and size, the model could represent one of the "very small variants"

But honestly I had hoped that the Home One Cruiser was of a much more impressive size, even a Vic looks on the pictures slightly larger.

The Home One issue is actually pretty straightforward. The model from RotJ scales to roughly 3,200 meters, although that can only be an eyeball number because of the perspective involved in shots including it. This number diverges greatly from many other official numbers, which put it at around 1,200 meters. This inconsistency has been around for long enough, and the 1,200 number (or close to it) has been used often enough, that no one answer can resolve all sources satisfactorily.

Since the number 1,200 has been used in official sources, and coming to the contradictory ~3,200 requires careful and exacting study of background shots in RotJ (something we know no Star Wars fans would ever waste their time on...) the issue has been "settled" with an official length of 1,200 meters. That number doesn't match all possible sources, because no number can. However, it has been established as the last and official word on the matter, and this miniatures conforms to that scale.

Honestly, I think I am disappointed in it not having more girth... But I'm ok with the length. I don't expect the Rebels to ever have a ship as big as the Imperials.

Hopefully no one gamewise, would object to one mounting a larger proxy model of a MC80 Home One model on the large stand, if one felt inclined to make and use one.

Perhaps the old Viscount from the ill fated Starship battles, could suffice.

That MC80 is a bonny ship, but it's NOT Home One!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bkxGzpr2d7I

Honestly, I think I am disappointed in it not having more girth... But I'm ok with the length. I don't expect the Rebels to ever have a ship as big as the Imperials.

and I thought we dodged all the phallic jokes with the raider replacing the lancer

oh fickle, you sweet summer child...

Its not about how long it is, it's about how you use it!!!

What? Why is everyone snickering?

never before have I seen one that shot better out of the sides

In case you were looking for a very technical answer to your question:

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/mcc.html#dimensions

(And not more phallic humor haha)

The 1200-1400m size always sounded good to me. The Liberty-type design dates back to the Clone Wars (with the 1100m Venators being a staple), and the general Star Cruiser design were originally luxury liners. Even if Home One was purpose built as a warship, why would they make it 3KM long? It's too big for normal cruiser work, but far too small to go toe to toe with the bigger Imperial SSDs, or Torpedo spheres. Besides, why would the cash and resourced strapped Rebels waste it building one ship far bigger than the others. That's downright Imperial in thinking.

I just want the Viscount battlecruiser prototype.

Honestly, I think I am disappointed in it not having more girth... But I'm ok with the length. . . . .

That's what she said ...

Canon size is what matters. Canon is what is entered into the Holocron, that they then use for all subsequent iterations.

The fact that you might be able to measure something on the screen is irrelevant, as that is not the Canon measurement.

Especially since the Writer and Designer is the one who states what is that way... I mean, regardless of what we might think of him, it is his creation, and we should not be so arrogant to call him wrong*. It was brought up, it was discussed, and what has come out is the Canon, True measurement...

*Again, call him many things, but its his goddamn creation.

The 1200-1400m size always sounded good to me. The Liberty-type design dates back to the Clone Wars (with the 1100m Venators being a staple), and the general Star Cruiser design were originally luxury liners. Even if Home One was purpose built as a warship, why would they make it 3KM long? It's too big for normal cruiser work, but far too small to go toe to toe with the bigger Imperial SSDs, or Torpedo spheres. Besides, why would the cash and resourced strapped Rebels waste it building one ship far bigger than the others. That's downright Imperial in thinking.

SSD envy

Grebo shot first is "designer" canon.

Han shot first is what happened.

And, Home One is ~3.2km long

The 1200-1400m size always sounded good to me. The Liberty-type design dates back to the Clone Wars (with the 1100m Venators being a staple), and the general Star Cruiser design were originally luxury liners. Even if Home One was purpose built as a warship, why would they make it 3KM long? It's too big for normal cruiser work, but far too small to go toe to toe with the bigger Imperial SSDs, or Torpedo spheres. Besides, why would the cash and resourced strapped Rebels waste it building one ship far bigger than the others. That's downright Imperial in thinking.

Actually they where made for deepspace exploration, so going far into space alone without nearby support from home, kind of makes it necessary, to make a large ship that can bring everything it needs for the long haul.

As for canon, we say the movies are canon, and then what we see on screen is somehow not.

Just because some guy in a office arbitrary decides, to take a evidently 3km long ship and shrink it down to 1,2km.

That would be like saying the Death Star is no larger than a football, and insist upon it, because now its decided and written down on paper.

Somehow the SSD grew from a mere 8,5km then +13km, and finally something in the 19km range and is fully accepted as canon. All because some said; "Hey that SSD, it looks a bit more longer than 8,5km when I see a ISD next to it"

Perhaps I should ask those people, how they managed to convince the elsewhile stubborn creators that a SSD is larger.

Its a futile argument in the first place, but ultimately canon is whatever Lucasfilm/Disney/whoever say it is. Doesn't matter what was written where, seen on screen or anything else. It's their property, their canon, and what they say is canon.

Doesn't mean you have to have it that way of course. Headcanon is personal, but it makes this argument pointless.

Its a futile argument in the first place, but ultimately canon is whatever Lucasfilm/Disney/whoever say it is. Doesn't matter what was written where, seen on screen or anything else. It's their property, their canon, and what they say is canon.

Doesn't mean you have to have it that way of course. Headcanon is personal, but it makes this argument pointless.

This.

Plus the production models used in the filming were intentionally built to different scales. This permitted the use of forced perspective in shots. It also makes it difficult -- if not impossible -- to reverse engineer the dimensions of the ships from the films.

The 1200-1400m size always sounded good to me. The Liberty-type design dates back to the Clone Wars (with the 1100m Venators being a staple), and the general Star Cruiser design were originally luxury liners. Even if Home One was purpose built as a warship, why would they make it 3KM long? It's too big for normal cruiser work, but far too small to go toe to toe with the bigger Imperial SSDs, or Torpedo spheres. Besides, why would the cash and resourced strapped Rebels waste it building one ship far bigger than the others. That's downright Imperial in thinking.

Actually they where made for deepspace exploration, so going far into space alone without nearby support from home, kind of makes it necessary, to make a large ship that can bring everything it needs for the long haul.

As for canon, we say the movies are canon, and then what we see on screen is somehow not.

Just because some guy in a office arbitrary decides, to take a evidently 3km long ship and shrink it down to 1,2km.

That would be like saying the Death Star is no larger than a football, and insist upon it, because now its decided and written down on paper.

Somehow the SSD grew from a mere 8,5km then +13km, and finally something in the 19km range and is fully accepted as canon. All because some said; "Hey that SSD, it looks a bit more longer than 8,5km when I see a ISD next to it"

Perhaps I should ask those people, how they managed to convince the elsewhile stubborn creators that a SSD is larger.

let's say you're right and home one is indeed 3 km long. Now tell me, how do you expect it to scale with this game? if you haven't had the pleasure yet of seeing just how big an ISD is on the table; tell me, how do you think a ship almost 3 times the size of an ISD will fit onto the table?

now while i agree that i think the MC80 should be a little longer and wider to have it compare a little closer in size to an ISD, i don't think going anywhere near the proposed 3km dimensions is the right way to go

to the OP, i'm not sure that clip at 4:37 is the greatest representation for size comparison, you only see a portion of the MC80 and only the bridge of an ISD. those bridges are extremely small compared to the size of the body

The 1200-1400m size always sounded good to me. The Liberty-type design dates back to the Clone Wars (with the 1100m Venators being a staple), and the general Star Cruiser design were originally luxury liners. Even if Home One was purpose built as a warship, why would they make it 3KM long? It's too big for normal cruiser work, but far too small to go toe to toe with the bigger Imperial SSDs, or Torpedo spheres. Besides, why would the cash and resourced strapped Rebels waste it building one ship far bigger than the others. That's downright Imperial in thinking.

Actually they where made for deepspace exploration, so going far into space alone without nearby support from home, kind of makes it necessary, to make a large ship that can bring everything it needs for the long haul.

As for canon, we say the movies are canon, and then what we see on screen is somehow not.

Just because some guy in a office arbitrary decides, to take a evidently 3km long ship and shrink it down to 1,2km.

That would be like saying the Death Star is no larger than a football, and insist upon it, because now its decided and written down on paper.

Somehow the SSD grew from a mere 8,5km then +13km, and finally something in the 19km range and is fully accepted as canon. All because some said; "Hey that SSD, it looks a bit more longer than 8,5km when I see a ISD next to it"

Perhaps I should ask those people, how they managed to convince the elsewhile stubborn creators that a SSD is larger.

let's say you're right and home one is indeed 3 km long. Now tell me, how do you expect it to scale with this game? if you haven't had the pleasure yet of seeing just how big an ISD is on the table; tell me, how do you think a ship almost 3 times the size of an ISD will fit onto the table?

now while i agree that i think the MC80 should be a little longer and wider to have it compare a little closer in size to an ISD, i don't think going anywhere near the proposed 3km dimensions is the right way to go

to the OP, i'm not sure that clip at 4:37 is the greatest representation for size comparison, you only see a portion of the MC80 and only the bridge of an ISD. those bridges are extremely small compared to the size of the body

If one bothered to read in detail what I write

The new MC80 model is no wider than the bridge structure on the New ISD model, in the movie clip the one portion of the MC80 you do see is by any chance much more wider than the bridge structure of the ISD.(At least twice as wide)

In essence you would never be able to recreate that particular scene with the new models, as the MC80 model will look tiny and insignifcant when placed above the ISD model.

As for making the Model "3km" long would obviously make it twice as long as the ISD.(and perhaps to big for gaming I must admit)

What I had hoped for was that FFG, made the MC80 model just as long as the ISD, not caring that it is bigger scale wise according to the canon's infamous 1.200m. versus the 1.600m length of the ISD.

In short the ISD is roughly in 1/8000 scale, so making the MC80 in the same length would put it into a 1/6000 scale. and make it a bit more impressive.

After all the CR90 and Nebulon B, being small ships are not either in the same scale, The Neb should be twice as long as the CR90, so why did FFG not do the same for the ISD and MC80?

Because its not True scaling. Its Representative Scaling.

In Representation, its supposed to look smaller than an Imperial.

That Way, the Imperial, blantantly the most Iconic of the large ships, is Impressive by Comparison.

Actual references to scales are kind of irrelevant, as FFG has stated in their own design brief by stating 'representative'.

Smash that dead horse, smash it good!