There are several Events happing around the Portland Or. area. My question is... If I play at one event and win a prize, can I then use that prize in my fleet at another Massing at Sullist Event?
Really this is a rules question?
Naboobo2000
Massing At Sullist Event Question?
The new ships would not be legal yet for non final round tournament games.
The new ships would not be legal yet for non final round tournament games.
So if I were to make it to two final rounds I could bring my other prize to the second game?
No, you can not.
Anything you win in one event is not going to be legal for any subsequent event.
No
The new ships would not be legal yet for non final round tournament games.
So if I were to make it to two final rounds I could bring my other prize to the second game?
No, the rules very specifically explain what is used. Wave two will not be tournament legal until it is generally released in a few weeks.
The new ships would not be legal yet for non final round tournament games.
I dont know where that rule is. The Tournament rules dont limit ships to waves. . .
No
The new ships would not be legal yet for non final round tournament games.
So if I were to make it to two final rounds I could bring my other prize to the second game?
No, the rules very specifically explain what is used. Wave two will not be tournament legal until it is generally released in a few weeks.
The rules for the final round allows you to use any model you own so I would rule that you could use models from another tournament.
Any legal model that you own. As per the tournament rules models are legal upon release. These models are not released yet ergo they cannot be used.
In North America, products are legal upon their release. Players outside North America should check with their TO to determine which products are tournament legal.
Both players will set aside the fleets that they played throughout the Swiss rounds and will build new, 400-point fleets that utilize the Wave II starships and squadrons. One player will construct an Imperial fleet that includes the Imperial-class Star Destroyer and Raider-class corvette, as well as at least one of the Imperial squadrons from the Rogues and Villains Squadron Pack. The other player will construct a Rebel fleet that includes the MC80 star cruiser and MC30c frigate, as well as one or more of the Rebel squadrons from the Rogues and Villains Squadron Pack. Both players will then be able to complete their 400-point fleets by adding starships, squadrons, upgrades, and objectives drawn from their existing collections, plus those from the Wave II expansions under their command.
There is no stipulations for the final round since there are no tournament rules for that portion of the event. It is an exhibition match for all intensive purposes.
Are you pulling that statement from an insert that has come in the event kit or are you pulling it from the FFG announcement of the event?
I believe it is from the later, in which case I should remind you that event announcements in no way are valid source of any rules. And secondly in that event announcement that very statement is preceeded by one in which it is stated that all Armada tournament rules are in effect. This would include the section on legal components which would not include unreleased models outside of what the event is going to specifically entail.
Edited by ScottieATF"the Wave II starships and squadrons" applies to the Wave II starships and squadrons that your store was given with the tournament kit. The intent is for a dramatic final game, including the 4 new ships. They are relatively balanced towards each other, and if you were to somehow bring an ISD from the previous day's tournament, that would be beyond the scope of the purpose of the final event - additional it could severly un-balance the game.
Edited by Crabbok"the Wave II starships and squadrons" applies to the Wave II starships and squadrons that your store was given with the tournament kit. The intent is for a dramatic final game, including the 4 new ships. They are relatively balanced towards each other, and if you were to somehow bring an ISD from the previous day's tournament, that would be beyond the scope of the purpose of the final event - additional it could severly un-balance the game.
Can you even fit a SECOND ISD into a 300 pt build that contains an ISD, Raider, and the new squadrons? I don't have all the point values in front of me.
It is a 400 point list.
Some people enjoy being Beaters.
Are you pulling that statement from an insert that has come in the event kit or are you pulling it from the FFG announcement of the event?
I believe it is from the later, in which case I should remind you that event announcements in no way are valid source of any rules. And secondly in that event announcement that very statement is preceeded by one in which it is stated that all Armada tournament rules are in effect. This would include the section on legal components which would not include unreleased models outside of what the event is going to specifically entail.
I dont have the insert in front of me but I will look at it for the first event tonight.
"the Wave II starships and squadrons" applies to the Wave II starships and squadrons that your store was given with the tournament kit. The intent is for a dramatic final game, including the 4 new ships. They are relatively balanced towards each other, and if you were to somehow bring an ISD from the previous day's tournament, that would be beyond the scope of the purpose of the final event - additional it could severly un-balance the game.
Can you even fit a SECOND ISD into a 300 pt build that contains an ISD, Raider, and the new squadrons? I don't have all the point values in front of me.
It is a 400 point list.
Some people enjoy being Beaters.
It is not the intent nor legal however. You use what you get, not what you may have gotten the day before in the same event. I don't see this affecting many either.
So if I have homemade Squadrons, Ships, Upgrades, or Objectives; can I include those since you know they are apart of my collection after all?
So if I have homemade Squadrons, Ships, Upgrades, or Objectives; can I include those since you know they are apart of my collection after all?
Now you are being purposefully obtuse. I dont mind, it makes you look silly and does not bother me at all.
Onto what you you said, obviously in a FFG sanctioned event so obviously FFG models.
Stop being obtuse and contribute real information.
We already have provided the information however. They are not legal yet, you cannot use them this weekend anymore than you can next weekend in an official tournament.
TO's call as far as I am concerned.
The TO then makes his call, and for better or worse, you put up with it.
So if I have homemade Squadrons, Ships, Upgrades, or Objectives; can I include those since you know they are apart of my collection after all?
Now you are being purposefully obtuse. I dont mind, it makes you look silly and does not bother me at all.
Onto what you you said, obviously in a FFG sanctioned event so obviously FFG models.
Stop being obtuse and contribute real information.
Maybe you're not aware dude, but you're doing that thing again where your idea of being correct gets in the way of what other people consider being reasonable.
People have already contributed the requisite information.
Wave 2 is not released, per the event rules it is not event legal. That the event specifically details exceptions to that does in no way entail that the entire rule is somehow voided.
Are other fleet building rules also ignorable because the event has some specific exceptions to them? Of course not, just as beyond the specific mandate to use all 3 expansions there is no grounds to assume that anything else in regards to fleet construction is ignorable.
Edited by ScottieATFThe fleet building rules you list are for a tournament game. The 400 point game is outside of the tournament. We dont have rules of a 400 point rule, we dont have sanctions for 400 point games, we have what we think is the intent.
Your information is all fine and dandy but it is not following the event.
I dont like the idea of someone using a model from a different Sullust event but unless the sullust sheet states otherwise, they can.
This is also a sanctioned FFG event so once again, obviously FFG models only.
So if I have homemade Squadrons, Ships, Upgrades, or Objectives; can I include those since you know they are apart of my collection after all?
Now you are being purposefully obtuse. I dont mind, it makes you look silly and does not bother me at all.
Onto what you you said, obviously in a FFG sanctioned event so obviously FFG models.
Stop being obtuse and contribute real information.
Maybe you're not aware dude, but you're doing that thing again where your idea of being correct gets in the way of what other people consider being reasonable.
I am tired, and not in the mood to be diplomatic.
It is not about being reasonable it is about following the letter of the rules as provided. That current letter unless stated elsewhere is that you can use any FFG model you own for the 400 point game.
Now the Swiss tournament is 300 points and follows the Swiss tournament rules as laid out by FFG.
Oh vay. I'm out. Good luck when you attempt this this weekend.
Well I guess I started a nice debate. My personal vote is to not allow any won wave 2 ships into any other Massing Event this weekend.
Naboobo2000
The fleet building rules you list are for a tournament game. The 400 point game is outside of the tournament. We dont have rules of a 400 point rule, we dont have sanctions for 400 point games, we have what we think is the intent.
Your information is all fine and dandy but it is not following the event.
I dont like the idea of someone using a model from a different Sullust event but unless the sullust sheet states otherwise, they can.
This is also a sanctioned FFG event so once again, obviously FFG models only.
So if I have homemade Squadrons, Ships, Upgrades, or Objectives; can I include those since you know they are apart of my collection after all?
Now you are being purposefully obtuse. I dont mind, it makes you look silly and does not bother me at all.
Onto what you you said, obviously in a FFG sanctioned event so obviously FFG models.
Stop being obtuse and contribute real information.
Maybe you're not aware dude, but you're doing that thing again where your idea of being correct gets in the way of what other people consider being reasonable.
I am tired, and not in the mood to be diplomatic.
It is not about being reasonable it is about following the letter of the rules as provided. That current letter unless stated elsewhere is that you can use any FFG model you own for the 400 point game.
Now the Swiss tournament is 300 points and follows the Swiss tournament rules as laid out by FFG.
You may find that following the letter of ANY rule to the exclusion of the spirit just to assert an advantage over your opponent is neither a good way to make friends or keep local players.
It's quite clear that the models they intend for us to use in the final round are the models provided in the kit.
Let's not play this game, shall we?
This isn't even Armada specific, this is Game Rules 101. Specific exceptions to rules (in this case that you must use 3 unreleased expansions) in no way exceed the scope of the specific exception (in this case that you have to use 3 unreleased expansions in no way means that other unreleased expansions would be legal).
So unless the kit rules also provide a general exception for unreleased expansions, there is no way they are legal to include in addition to the kit expansions. A exception to the normal rules in no way invalidates the rule as a whole, as Lyraeus is suggesting.
Edited by ScottieATF