Just need some definitive clarification for Jake Farrells free barrel roll, while using push the limit. Since push the limit says that after I perform my second action I am stressed.... But if I use focus for my second action I can have a free barrel roll action. But if I am stressed I cannot take an action, even a free one. ...so where is the timing on this? I want to boost, then barrel roll, not the other way around. I am assuming this question has been answered already, but I was unable to find it.

Thank you for your time.

The free action and PTL can both come off of an action, but PTL of course gives stress, so you can Focus first, then trigger barrel roll from the focus and PTL to boost.

So yeah, because focus is needed for the barrel roll, focus will need to be the first action taken.

Page 7 point 6 of new rulebook.

So I cannot boost first then focus for a barrel roll? That is all I needed.

Exactly.

compare to Soontir Fel. When he gets stressed he doesn't take a focus action, he is assigned a focus token.

So I cannot boost first then focus for a barrel roll? That is all I needed.

Actually, you can, by interrupting the action sequence with PTL, but you have to declare it something like this: He'll focus then barrel roll, but he'll PTL off the focus with boost first. Then, you'd be able to do it.

Not sure that's correct, PTL specifies after you perform an action.

You can, according to my understanding, trigger PtL off of free actions. Which is why you can trigger PtL off of adv Sensors (which reads "Immediately before you reveal your maneuver, you may perform 1 FREE action.")

Since Jake's ability reads "After you perform a focus action or are assigned a focus token, you may perform a free boost or barrel roll action," you should be able to use the free barrel roll action to trigger PtL

Ohyes, you can do that. My point is that focus needs to go first. There is no native barrel roll, he can't boost first as PTL will cause stress, so the barrel roll which is a free action from the focus would be disallowed.

Remember guys, the real question is: can dude BOOST before FOCUSING, not "is there no way to do 3 actions?"

3 actions is easy, but with Jake a specific order needs to be followed.

MegaSliver is correct.

You can in fact both boost and barrel roll with Jake by using PtL.

You perform a boost action.

The 'after you perform an action' trigger for PtL kicks in.

You use PtL to perform a Focus action.

Jake's ability to perform a boost or barrel roll after getting a Focus token now kicks in.

Since you get to decide what order to process events in, you can decide to trigger the 'after taking a focus action' trigger before you get the stress from PtL.

Hang on though:

You perform a boost action.
The 'after you perform an action' trigger for PtL kicks in.
You use PtL to perform a Focus action. and gain a stress token
Jake's ability to perform a boost or barrel roll after getting a Focus token now kicks in. except that you cannot perform free actions if stressed.

Since you get to decide what order to process events in, you can decide to trigger the 'after taking a focus action' trigger before you get the stress from PtL. But the events still have to be processed surely, PTL=stress, and that is the trigger.

Please address the above, cause I'm genuinely not getting over this.

There is no native barrel roll

Yes there is. Jake says you may perform a Boost or Barrel Roll action. That means either one can be a trigger for PtL.

Also you don't get the stress from PtL until you've completed all possible nested triggers.

According to the faq, PtL can interrupt card effects. Such as a stress token being assigned. The example the faq uses is expert handling, which assigns a stress.

There is no native barrel roll

Yes there is. Jake says you may perform a Boost or Barrel Roll action. That means either one can be a trigger for PtL.

Also you don't get the stress from PtL until you've completed all possible nested triggers.

By native I meant on the a-wings action bar. I'll have to read the faq re the triggers.

Having read that I do concede your point.

So basically tokens are always assigned at the end of the action string, notwithstanding the strings length.

By native I meant on the a-wings action bar.

That's true, but in this case doesn't matter, since you are using PtL to do a Focus action.

There was a very long discussion about this about a year or so ago. The short version is this...

When you use PtL the stress you receive happens after you perform a free action. However the after can also be a trigger for other things. Things like Jakes ability to perform a barrel roll or boost after you perform a focus action. Since both the stress and Jakes ability trigger off the same event, you get to chose the order in which they resolve.

You can actually get 2-3 free actions and 2-3 stress if you use things like Exp Interface or Dauntless to trigger free actions as well.

So basically actionstring completes fully, then token assignment/results (actionactionaction>resultresultresult)

Not action>result>action>result.

Is there a link to older post or is there something official on this?

Not action>result>action>result.

To a point yes. It really all depends on the triggers and how you process them. Whenever you have 1 or more effect that triggers off the same event, you can process them in the order you want.

You could in theory take the stress from PtL before triggering the free boost/barrel roll, and at that point not be able to perform that action because you have a stress.

Is there a link to older post or is there something official on this?

FAQ page 12 the Push the Limit card.

My head = asplode.

Edit: Resolved in better words than I can provide.

Let's level it up a bit and explain what makes Psycho Tycho so strong as well. When Tycho's got PtL, DD and EI he can mess a lot with that rule. Any A-wing with two EPTs can do this, Tycho is just able to use it every round.

Eg:

Regular action -> Focus

- EI off Focus -> DD

- PtL off DD -> Boost

- Stress for PtL

- Stress for DD

- Stress for EI

It's perfectly legal to do it the other way around as well, PtL off the regular action and then EI off the PtL-action.

As written in the FAQ, you can trigger an ability at any time its condition is met, even if it means interrupting the resolution of another card. PTL is written Perform a free action on your action bar, then receive one stress token. If you trigger an effect off the free action, then it resolves before you receive the stress token.

The example the FAQ gives is Expert Handling. Expert Handling instructs you to perform a free barrel roll action, then to receive one stress token. In the FAQ example, you trigger Push The Limit off of the free barrel roll action, then receive a stress from Push The Limit, then receive a stress from Expert Handling.

Therefore, you can trigger PTL off of Boost to perform a Focus Action, trigger Jake's ability off of the focus token from the free focus action, then receive the stress from PTL.