We're coming up to the Sullust weekend and I find myself examining lists and wondering this very question. What kind of lists are you not looking forward to facing?
I think for me, it's low-point Gladiator fists. The rest of the list is a mix of other ships, but there's one Gladiator with a title and some kind of missile that is going to activate first. I find I'm willing to go to some interesting compromises to counter it O.o
What are you not looking forward to facing?
I love seeing Gladiators, they are squishy. Gunnery Teams and enhanced armament on the Assault Frigate works wonders.
Anyway, I am more concerned about what I am going to bring vs what I face. I also need to take a long look at objectives.
I'm still picking my objectives myself. I fear no list honestly. I think anyone who's skilled enough can kick my ass successfully! 
Actually I'm concerned about Rebel lists as I've never gone against my own ship types.
You gotta consider Garm's Gups a contender as well as Gencon Special.
My own?
Really, at this point my biggest fear (more of an occasional anxiety) is my own tendency to overlook a vital detail at the wrong moment.
Barring that, I'm confident in my abilities and my list.
My biggest fear. Is taking what I have been playing. And it being old hat. Or... Trying to force myself to take squadrons. To counter squads. Just in case. And getting f'ed for it. Or not taking enough and counting on them. Idk not much to think about.
Too many options.
Fabs fleet generator is probably exploding now. Lol
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
Edited by DrasnightaI must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
i had no idea you were Bene Gesserit trained Dras.... 
i had no idea you were Bene Gesserit trained Dras....
My Mother was a bit of a Witch.
Because I've lost to it before in a tournament, I am forced to say the GenCon Special. I've beaten it too but not in a high pressure situation. The goal, kill one Glad, maybe 2, then run away!!!!
Do not go gentle into that good night,Old age should burn and rave at close of day;Rage, rage against the dying of the light.Though wise men at their end know dark is right,Because their words had forked no lightning theyDo not go gentle into that good night.Good men, the last wave by, crying how brightTheir frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,Rage, rage against the dying of the light.Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,Do not go gentle into that good night.Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sightBlind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,Rage, rage against the dying of the light.And you, my father, there on the sad height,Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.Do not go gentle into that good night.Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Dylan Thomas, 1914 - 1953
You gotta consider Garm's Gups a contender as well as Gencon Special.
My own?
Really, at this point my biggest fear (more of an occasional anxiety) is my own tendency to overlook a vital detail at the wrong moment.
Barring that, I'm confident in my abilities and my list.
Anyone have a link to the lists mentioned here?
Gencon Special?
Garms Gups
B Whale Roll
Excuse my ignorance I just don't get out enough!
honestly terrified that people might realize squadrons are actually good
I had so much fun rolling through gladiators in my last tournament with uncontested B-wings 
granted, I'm flying an Afmk2-A and two escort nebs for the sole purpose of running into squadrons (and because Yavaris Bs proved to be more than enough anti-ship by themselves 
) but the nebs don't have the GSD punch when it comes to just ignoring rhymer-ball and rolling through a VSD for the win
hopefully Paragon will pull through
Anyone have a link to the lists mentioned here?
Gencon Special?
Garms Gups
B Whale Roll
Excuse my ignorance I just don't get out enough!
++ Imperial Navy (Standard) (298pts) ++
+ Gladiator Star Destroyer (199pts) +
Gladiator I-Class Star Destroyer (73pts) [Assault Concussion Missiles (7pts), •Demolisher (10pts)]
Gladiator I-Class Star Destroyer (63pts) [Assault Concussion Missiles (7pts)]
Gladiator I-Class Star Destroyer (63pts) [Assault Concussion Missiles (7pts)]
+ Victory Star Destroyer (99pts) +
Victory I-Class Star Destroyer (99pts) [•Admiral Screed (26pts)]
+++ Garm's Gups (300pts) +++
++ Rebel Fleet (Standard) (300pts) ++
+ Assault Frigate MkII (300pts) +
Assault Frigate Mark IIB (110pts) [Advanced Projectors (6pts), Gunnery Team (7pts), •Garm Bel Iblis (25pts)]
Assault Frigate Mark IIB (95pts) [Advanced Projectors (6pts), Enhanced Armament (10pts), Gunnery Team (7pts)]
Assault Frigate Mark IIB (95pts) [Advanced Projectors (6pts), Enhanced Armament (10pts), Gunnery Team (7pts)]
+++ B Whale Roll (296pts) +++
++ Rebel Fleet (Standard) (296pts) ++
+ Assault Frigate MkII (221pts) +
Assault Frigate Mark IIB (123pts) [Advanced Projectors (6pts), Enhanced Armament (10pts), Gunnery Team (7pts), Weapons Liaison (3pts), •Garm Bel Iblis (25pts)]
Assault Frigate Mark IIB (98pts) [Advanced Projectors (6pts), Enhanced Armament (10pts), Gunnery Team (7pts), Weapons Liaison (3pts)]
+ Squadrons (75pts) +
A-Wing Squadron (11pts)
A-Wing Squadron (11pts)
A-Wing Squadron (11pts)
B-Wing Squadron (14pts)
B-Wing Squadron (14pts)
B-Wing Squadron (14pts)
+ Objectives +
Assault Objective
Defense Objective
Navigation Objective
whats the deal with everyone taking advanced projectors on the whale? it only has one redirect and thats pretty easy to shut down with a random accuracy, ECM's have been vasty superior on the whale. i see the projectors being far better on the mc80 and mc30 with the double redirects
whats the deal with everyone taking advanced projectors on the whale? it only has one redirect and thats pretty easy to shut down with a random accuracy, ECM's have been vasty superior on the whale. i see the projectors being far better on the mc80 and mc30 with the double redirects
The average Screed-ACM-Glad rolls very few accs.
Because I've lost to it before in a tournament, I am forced to say the GenCon Special. I've beaten it too but not in a high pressure situation. The goal, kill one Glad, maybe 2, then run away!!!!
This is VERY important to note. Here's the thing about the gencon list. Yeah, it's a good list of course, but the reason it won the event, is because it had the potential to win the event. What I mean by that is at gencon, based on the number of players and the rounds, there was a guarantee of two, and a very high probability of a third, 5 - 0 players. So it all came down to MoV to walk away with the title. Imps tend to have a bit of an edge at the moment as far as just mustering the firepower to table someone quick enough to amass the points. At the sullust event though, if you go 3-0 and have fewer than 17 players at the event (likely the vast majority of these events) you're in the finals regardless of MoV. And even with 17-25ish players there is still a good chance there will only be two 3-0s. Mov only becomes critical if you have a loss to try to score a top 4 finish etc. I think this helps the rebels a bit as you can try to execute the strategy Boardy describes.
whats the deal with everyone taking advanced projectors on the whale? it only has one redirect and thats pretty easy to shut down with a random accuracy, ECM's have been vasty superior on the whale. i see the projectors being far better on the mc80 and mc30 with the double redirects
The average Screed-ACM-Glad rolls very few accs.
That is by far the major reason for the advanced projectors. A meta call. But in many cases even against other ships, one acc still won't usually shut them down because if you roll 6+ damage or w/e, you're going to turn off brace more than likely. And there might be a double hit in there getting evaded as well. Also the projectors help a bit against X17s. I do really like ECM as well, and probably would take it by default, but glads seem to be the major threat.
whats the deal with everyone taking advanced projectors on the whale? it only has one redirect and thats pretty easy to shut down with a random accuracy, ECM's have been vasty superior on the whale. i see the projectors being far better on the mc80 and mc30 with the double redirects
I'm with you on this one. Advanced projectors don't do anything if they roll an accuracy on you and negate it.
Yeah, but all those times people are only throwing a couple of Red Dice and not getting an Accuracy....
Range has a lot of factor in it for people... I'm not expecting Accuracy, I'm expecting to see 1-2 hits at a time. If I get hit for much more than that, then my brace is the one I expect to see Negated.
Because I've lost to it before in a tournament, I am forced to say the GenCon Special. I've beaten it too but not in a high pressure situation. The goal, kill one Glad, maybe 2, then run away!!!!
This is VERY important to note. Here's the thing about the gencon list. Yeah, it's a good list of course, but the reason it won the event, is because it had the potential to win the event. What I mean by that is at gencon, based on the number of players and the rounds, there was a guarantee of two, and a very high probability of a third, 5 - 0 players. So it all came down to MoV to walk away with the title. Imps tend to have a bit of an edge at the moment as far as just mustering the firepower to table someone quick enough to amass the points. At the sullust event though, if you go 3-0 and have fewer than 17 players at the event (likely the vast majority of these events) you're in the finals regardless of MoV. And even with 17-25ish players there is still a good chance there will only be two 3-0s. Mov only becomes critical if you have a loss to try to score a top 4 finish etc. I think this helps the rebels a bit as you can try to execute the strategy Boardy describes.
whats the deal with everyone taking advanced projectors on the whale? it only has one redirect and thats pretty easy to shut down with a random accuracy, ECM's have been vasty superior on the whale. i see the projectors being far better on the mc80 and mc30 with the double redirects
The average Screed-ACM-Glad rolls very few accs.
That is by far the major reason for the advanced projectors. A meta call. But in many cases even against other ships, one acc still won't usually shut them down because if you roll 6+ damage or w/e, you're going to turn off brace more than likely. And there might be a double hit in there getting evaded as well. Also the projectors help a bit against X17s. I do really like ECM as well, and probably would take it by default, but glads seem to be the major threat.
What I said - and this.
Plus:
On occasion the redirect might get negated... but over the course of a game... there WILL be opportunities to use Adv projectors. Indeed, it's a rare event when a whale goes down without having first been stripped of ALL shields (or almost all). Plus the XI7 counter also helps a bit, since those remain popular.
We're coming up to the Sullust weekend and I find myself examining lists and wondering this very question. What kind of lists are you not looking forward to facing?
I think for me, it's low-point Gladiator fists. The rest of the list is a mix of other ships, but there's one Gladiator with a title and some kind of missile that is going to activate first. I find I'm willing to go to some interesting compromises to counter it O.o
What are you not looking forward to facing?
AFII/B-wing swarm, followed closely by Gencon Special. B-wings because they're a bear to work around. Special because of the risk of Demolisher last/first activations, and boxing my Vic.
But hey, there's nothing like a challenge, right?
Honestly, as an Imperial player ECM is very frustrating, but Advanced Projectors is much more annoying. That is many extra hits going to the opposing side arc that I would rather not go that far away. It gives Whales a much better chance to regain steam and recover.
Yes, one accuracy can shut down redirect - but then Brace isn't shut down, neither is evade.
On the whole, I see my opponents being better served by AP than ECM.
I think a fighter heavy build may be hard to go against. And also multiple GSD's only because I haven't played against something like that.
But I don't mind trying.