What list wins Worlds 2015?

By gamblertuba, in X-Wing

Hard to say right now. So far most major tournaments have been won by "meta gambling list", like pheaver R2+C3PO Han who bet against finding tons of other gunner's Han in a phantom heavy environment or Turchiano, reigning Italian champion, who brought a Dash and Miranda sure to not find many Soontirs in the earliest day of Wave 7 meta.

Right now there's surely a top dog: 4 TLT Ys is a threat that anyone must be ready to face and it's also the list against which you should gamble, but compared to past year meta, which was dominated by Whisper and Han Solo, and, to a lesser degree, regional meta which saw the rise of the DeciFell, the Warthogs and the Brobots while also not scoring out some mixed rebel lists, right now is way harder to list against 4 TLT while keeping a well rounded list capable of dealing with ease all the different stuff that you can face in a 7 rounds swiss turn.

What does well against 4 TLT Ys and can still **** on powerful lists?

Dash seems fine, actually right now is almost a golden age for him: less boosting han solo around, good matchup vs swarms and he has also one of the best matchup of any other big ship, maybe exluding IGs, against TLTs.

Superdash could be coupled with either Corran or Miranda and does more than fine. Lone Wolf R2 could go with anyone but Corran, and if you sacrifice something, he could even be flown with 2 Ys TLT (or 2 hawks without sacrificing much)

However the good old outrider still keep his range 1 weakness, a weakness in common with TLT users and which will see resurgeance of Soontirs and boosting Vader to exploit.

The Decifell of old now has a new toy in the box: you could fit a Palpatine Kenkirk with either Soontir (for more defense) or prockets predator EU Vader (for much more offense).

Kenkirk+Ace list doesn't have a easy matchup vs 4 TLT Ys, but it is not impossible like many are claiming. It surely require good flying and a bit of luck, but both of these aren't anything new to DeciFell or DeciVader players: flying 3 green dice ships always involved luck into their winning strategies.

TIE swarms seems to be back, but I'm not entirly sold about them. While they seems fine vs TLT Ys, Dash Rendar is still too present on the tables for their like, but I have to admit that most of my skepticism comes from them not being present almost at all in my local meta nor I had the chance to witness them in any of the major tournament I went to.

More than full TIEs swarm, I beleive that Soontir+5 Obsidian might be very strong right now, with soontir able to deal against Dash and the swarm providing the needed firepower.

Brobots. Well, before italian national I was selling them as the best list for the current meta: their only weaknesses were rebelcaptive who seems to be less omnipresent right now that Decimators need to make room for the Emperor and the fact they require higher skill than most other lists to be flown with effectiveness. Then the MoV change striked and I'm less sure about them. I also thought that their 3 green+autothruster+boost were more than enought to deal with Ys, but I've witnessed TLTs utterly destroy the poor BroBots: fickle green dice are always fickle after all.

They could use Sensor Jammer but while this will help versus TLTs, it might screw them in other matchups.

Those lists are probably the ones more able to pass the swiss, but there are plenty of other strong combinations.

Warthogs for example are still good and do fine vs TLT y, 3 imperial aces (or 2 aces + 1 lambda) are still a threat, especially for Dash, Han Solo is far from gone, 3 AC advanced+Vader is a reality and the new MoV might see the return of the dreaded BBBBZ.

By myself I'm enjoying the meta: it's a great time for experimentation and creativity!

It's going to be such a brutal cut.

Yeah, I'm kind of liking the kind of variety that can fight TLTs.

Double or triple Hound is another possibility.

Though I'm not sure anyone is actually flying it.

I honestly hope Dash or Han win it. Just because I feel like those players are so villified and at a disadvantage. I think it will be hard for Dash since I'm pretty sure Jeff B won't be at world's.

I honestly hope Dash or Han win it. Just because I feel like those players are so villified and at a disadvantage. I think it will be hard for Dash since I'm pretty sure Jeff B won't be at world's.

Paragoomba is not representative of the playerbase. I have not heard anyone dismiss Paul Heaver's wins.

Double or triple Hound is another possibility.

Though I'm not sure anyone is actually flying it.

iv played against double hounds. two name pilots. its brutal. i used brobots and it was very even. TLT's will probably scare ppl off playing this tho imo.

Biggs
Poe
Ethan A'bath

W/itegrated astromechs on x-wings.
PTL and. R5-P9 or BB8 on Poe.

If points R2-D2 on Ethan

I put my Money on Miranda (maybe with Poe)

Biggs

Poe

Ethan A'bath

W/itegrated astromechs on x-wings.

PTL and. R5-P9 or BB8 on Poe.

If points R2-D2 on Ethan

If Integrated Astromechs are available, all bets are off. The whole meta will be different.

Quad TLT, or a Dual Brobots list that scaled TLT mountain and reached the summit.

A BBBB(Z).

Some sort of Imperial triple ace or double ace and shuttle list.

There will still be many wave 5 Fat Turretwing 2 ship lists around, although I don't think one will win it.

I honestly hope Dash or Han win it. Just because I feel like those players are so villified and at a disadvantage. I think it will be hard for Dash since I'm pretty sure Jeff B won't be at world's.

Paragoomba is not representative of the playerbase. I have not heard anyone dismiss Paul Heaver's wins.

Trust me, the amount of complaining I do in no way effects the meta, at least my local one. The week before the Phantom nerf came into effect most of the players in my group decided to run Phantom Deci to troll me. I had to face the **** thing 3 times in a row and had a mega NPE night with my Soontir and 2 Defender list. XD

There are quite a few players I've met who don't like the 2 ship Fat Turretwing meta either, they just don't complain about it openly.

Edited by ParaGoomba Slayer

There are quite a few players I've met who don't like the 2 ship Fat Turretwing meta either, they just don't complain about it openly.

Let me be the first to express admiration for your willingness to give voice to the silent majority. You are the hero we need and the hero we deserve.

Quad TLT, or a Dual Brobots list that scaled TLT mountain and reached the summit.

A BBBB(Z).

Some sort of Imperial triple ace or double ace and shuttle list.

There will still be many wave 5 Fat Turretwing 2 ship lists around, although I don't think one will win it.

I honestly hope Dash or Han win it. Just because I feel like those players are so villified and at a disadvantage. I think it will be hard for Dash since I'm pretty sure Jeff B won't be at world's.

Paragoomba is not representative of the playerbase. I have not heard anyone dismiss Paul Heaver's wins.

Trust me, the amount of complaining I do in no way effects the meta, at least my local one. The week before the Phantom nerf came into effect most of the players in my group decided to run Phantom Deci to troll me. I had to face the **** thing 3 times in a row and had a mega NPE night with my Soontir and 2 Defender list. XD

There are quite a few players I've met who don't like the 2 ship Fat Turretwing meta either, they just don't complain about it openly.

Or in the obnoxious way you do it.

Quad TLT, or a Dual Brobots list that scaled TLT mountain and reached the summit.

A BBBB(Z).

Some sort of Imperial triple ace or double ace and shuttle list.

There will still be many wave 5 Fat Turretwing 2 ship lists around, although I don't think one will win it.

I honestly hope Dash or Han win it. Just because I feel like those players are so villified and at a disadvantage. I think it will be hard for Dash since I'm pretty sure Jeff B won't be at world's.

Paragoomba is not representative of the playerbase. I have not heard anyone dismiss Paul Heaver's wins.

Trust me, the amount of complaining I do in no way effects the meta, at least my local one. The week before the Phantom nerf came into effect most of the players in my group decided to run Phantom Deci to troll me. I had to face the **** thing 3 times in a row and had a mega NPE night with my Soontir and 2 Defender list. XD

There are quite a few players I've met who don't like the 2 ship Fat Turretwing meta either, they just don't complain about it openly.

Or in the obnoxious way you do it.

Phantom got nerfed.

Large ship MoV nerf.

FFG agrees with my complaints on these issues. Not saying I had an impact on the decisions to nerf those things, but at the very least my complaints were vindicated.

I seem to get a lot of criticism for my tone or use of hyperbole* or obnoxiousness, and not for my actual complaints. Since my arguments aren't actually addressed often, I tend to ignore complaints about my tone or rampant negativity because they're vapid complaints. I don't feel something is less valid simply because it's negative or offensive.

I'm also of the view that if people are allowed to be gushingly positive about something, I'm allowed to be honest and speak my mind and for example, say in a repaint thread that gold and purple look bad together and that I don't understand why people paint their ships when there is a 95% chance that they look worse than the stock paint jobs. That's what I honestly think.

I also view my complaints as less obnoxious than showing up to an event just to be the only person not running a fat turret based list. If you get to do 15 actions a turn and fire your HLC as a turret, I get to complain lol. If half of my games are going to be against things I consider game ruining, half of my posts about X-Wing are going to be complaints.

I love this game a lot, and things that detract from what I enjoy about it frustrate me. Hence the complaining.

* Which often isn't actually hyperbole. 4 Academy Pilots /does/ autolose to a 48 point Super Corran. 5 Academy Pilots /does/ autolose to a ~60 point fat Han.

Edited by ParaGoomba Slayer

I'm holding out hope that there is TIE Advanced at the final table. If it happens, it'll likely be Vader but wouldn't it be cool if it was Maarek?!

Edited by Mello13

Even with the new MOV rule change it will still probably be a 2-3 ship list.

Even with the new MOV rule change it will still probably be a 2-3 ship list.

Most likely, as they are still tough as nails and can wipe a board if flown well + all the passive reroll/token shenanigans.

What ever list Paul Heaver is going to use. ;)

My guess would be either Rebels again or Scum.

Three or more ships.

Cheers to you Paragoomba. We have been vindicated on a few things that we openly disagreed with, against the group think.

As for my prediction, well, I don't see Dash making it honestly. Much as it pains me as a Dash fan boy. Falcon, maaaaybe. Not like they are bad, they just don't have their favorite prey around as much as when phantoms were super broke. I'm expecting Fels, Ace-wings, Poe regenerators, lot of bots, swarms, and hounds.

For what wins, I'll go with a bot/hound combo, trio of aces, or swarm as the top three in some order.

I honestly hope Dash or Han win it. Just because I feel like those players are so villified and at a disadvantage. I think it will be hard for Dash since I'm pretty sure Jeff B won't be at world's.

It sure would be nice to see the ships that have been strangling the diversity out of the game for the past 12 months continue to do so, it'd save us all the trouble of flying or buying anything else in the future.

I will streak my FLGS if triple interceptor wins worlds

I will streak my FLGS if triple interceptor wins worlds

Pics or it never happened ;)

I honestly hope it's a Star Viper, with a crackshot + stim special-K in tow

poor buggers are just overshadowed by the plug-in-and-play 2-ship brobots that they don't give the slight of day to this gloriously weird and very effective little ship (named pilots, anyway; generics are poodoo)

Edited by ficklegreendice

Just in case a new player happens onto this thread and doesn't know better, please allow me to emphasize: there are NO auto-lose scenarios between two 100 point lists. Some match ups may prove very challenging, but the phrase "auto lose" is absurd hyperbole that negates any valid point someone might try to make.

Back to the topic at hand, I predict the winning list will be Scum Boba + 50 points of friends.

Edited by DekoPuma

I will streak my FLGS if triple interceptor wins worlds

Pics or it never happened ;)

As the sole advocate/user of Interceptors at my FLGS I will do it with pride