Linked x from different sources...

By Jax Maxas, in Star Wars: Force and Destiny RPG

If my Ataru Striker (FR1) has Saber Swarm and is using 2 Lightsabers does he get Linked 2 or does he have to choose between the Linked 1 from Saber Swarm or the Linked 1 from using two weapons for a grand result of 1?

As I understand it Linked's don't stack. I asked a similar question about whether or not you could stack Saber Swarm with the double bladed lightsabre's Linked and it was explained you take the higher of the two.

Two weapon fighting doesn't provide linked, it provides a method for getting two hits on a target with two weapons.

So they can't "stack because they are totally separate things. But the end result of using both at the same time will give you a similar result to if they did stack, provided you followed the rules for implementing both of course...

I think what he means is if Saber Swarm gives Link 1 (as per his FR 1) to each of his Lightsabers, and thus if the Link 1 from one saber stacks with that from the other.

I'd say it shouldn't, but hey, there's the Autofire crap, which is totally absurd, and I still wake up every morning...

Yeah it's essentially the same as linking auto-fire weapons.

The Saber Swarm talent technically states that the next Lightsaber (agility) combat check on this turn gets Linked. It doesn't say a weapon gains Linked. Additionally, as pointed out above, two-weapon fighting technically doesn't grant linked, it merely provides a nearly identical mechanical effect (score an extra hit for 2 adv, but the that second hit is with the secondary weapon, which is not necessarily identical to the first weapon as is typically required by linked).

As far as I can tell, a player with FR1 wielding two lightsabers with the Saber Swarm talent could make a two-weapon attack check (as detailed on F&D core 217-8), and, in addition to the other ways of spending adv, the player could:

  • pay 2 adv to score a hit with the off-hand weapon (Two-weapon activation)
  • pay 2 adv to score a 'linked' hit with either weapon at their discretion (Saber swam's Linked 1 activation)

I would allow each of those to be activated once, i.e. I don't think both weapons would get the Linked 1 quality (I don't think either weapon gets the quality, based on the wording). I would allow the player to chose which weapon to activate Saber Swarm's Linked ability, but again, I would only allow one activation per FR, regardless of the number of weapons wielded.

I would not allow Saber Swarm's linked ability to stack with the double-sided lightsaber linked ability.

Addendum: I think it's worth noting how rarely this is going to be an issue. It's only really going to come up when you're scoring a hit with 4 or more advantages on at least a PPP roll, which is quite a feat in itself.

Edited by LethalDose

If you really want to have fun put the paired attachment on them. Now you can hit with your off hand saber for one ADV. and also use linked for 2.

If you really want to have fun put the paired attachment on them. Now you can hit with your off hand saber for one ADV. and also use linked for 2.

Is the "paired" attachment in a supplement? I'm not familiar with it.

I guess it's not too much of an issue, since posters here don't think I let players have any fun anyway.

Is the "paired" attachment in a supplement? I'm not familiar with it.

Fly Casual, attach to two weapons at once and when using the weapons it decreases Advantage to use the other (in two-handed combat) by 1.

The double-bladed lightsaber is one-handed. Use a pair of them and you have two weapons with Linked 1. And cheese. Lots of stinky cheese...

I would allow the player to chose which weapon to activate Saber Swarm's Linked ability, but again, I would only allow one activation per FR, regardless of the number of weapons wielded.

I wonder what you mean by this last part: one activation per FR.

I would allow the player to chose which weapon to activate Saber Swarm's Linked ability, but again, I would only allow one activation per FR, regardless of the number of weapons wielded.

I wonder what you mean by this last part: one activation per FR.

LOL, because that question could refer to a lot of recent discussions I've been involved in here lately.

Specifically, "one activation per FR" means I would allow one activation of "pay 2 adv to score a 'linked' hit with either weapon at their discretion" (the second bullet point point in my first post above) because Saber Swarm grants the Linked quality with ranks equal to current FR (F&D Core, p 151). Linked can be triggered a number of times during an attack up to it's number of ranks.

The example above provided FR 1, but if a character with FR 3 used Saber Swarm, they would get Linked 3, and could use the "pay 2 adv" up to 3 times (hence "1 activation per FR), for a total of up to 4 hits.

Again, I wouldn't allow this to stack with the linked from a two-bladed lightsaber; In this case (Two-bladed lightsaber, FR 3, saber swarm), the character would replace linked 1 from the double-saber with linked 3 from the saber swarm.

And again, this would almost never matter because of how hard it would be roll more than 6 advantage on a hit. Definitely possible, just uncommon.

Edited by LethalDose

Bah! Of course! I've assumed Linked 1 - as the player in my group with access to this talent has been saying "Linked 1" when drooling on his Ataru Striker talent tree... of course that's because his FR is 1 ...

Also, I agree with your take on it. The talent states "gains", which means it would replace any Linked 1 quality. And while the Linked 1 on a double bladed lightsaber can be subject to jury rigging - just like autofire - Saber swarm can't. 1up for the double bladed lightsaber :ph34r:

I'd also be willing to let the Linked [FR] be spread among the weapons attacked with, as long as FR is 2+. Not just the primary weapon, because as you pointed it's the attack check that gains the Linked X, not the weapon. Hohum!