5 Question on TFA Rules

By Mariozi, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Hello fellow pilots...

With the new documents coming live on Oct. 1st I came across these little doubts...
1. Measuring Attack Range:

The Learn to Play says: “To measure range for an attack, place the Range 1 end of the ruler so that it touches the part of the attacker’s base that is closest to the target ship. Then point the ruler toward the closest part of the target ship’s base that is inside the attacker’s firing arc.” And the Rules Reference says pretty much the same: “To measure range between two ships, place the range ruler over the point of the first ship that is closest to the second ship, then point the other end of the ruler toward the point of the second ship’s base that is closest to the first base. The range is the band of the range ruler that falls over the closest point of the second ship.
When measuring range for an attack, the attacker measures to the closest point of the target ship that is inside the attacker’s firing arc.”
So basically the point of origin (on the attacker’s base) for measuring attack range would almost always be a corner of the attacking ship’s base outside it’s firing arc?
2.Nasthah Pup K-Turn on Deployment:

Both documents presented slight changes to the Koiogran (and Segnor), removing the “place the back guides on the template THEN rotate the ship 180º. Now it states: “To achieve this facing, the player slides the ship’s front guides into the end of the maneuver template instead of the rear guides”. So, is the argument for the allowed K-Turn on Nashtah Pup deployment gone?
3.Can you drop a Bomb if it overlaps an obstacle? What happens? I found no reference on that...
4.Palpatine timing:

Can Palpatine modify attack dice after the “modify attack dice step” (like after all defense dice were modified)? Specially with the statement on the Learn to Play: “MODIFYING ATTACK DICE: Attack dice may be modified after they are rolled, but before the defense dice are rolled.”
5.Can you modify/re-roll added results or not?
There is a conflict between the Rules Reference at “Modifying Dice” on pg.13 and the FAQ at “Dice Results” on pg.3.
Any ideas? Am I missing something?
May the Dice be with you.

1) Yes, the point of origin for measuring ranges is almost always a corner of the attacking ship's base, unless the two ships happen to have parallel sides with each other, in which case you can choose any point on that side you like.

2) I think so, but I'm not sure.

3) Yes, you can drop a bomb overlapping an obstacle, or even another bomb. Nothing changes - the bomb lands where it normally would and detonates when it normally would. You didn't find any rules for it because there aren't any special rules for it.

4) No, Palpatine follows the standard rules for modifying dice, so he must be used during the "modify attack dice" step if it's a friendly ship attacking, or the "modify defense dice" step if it's a friendly ship defending.

5) I don't think you can modify or reroll added results (such as the crit from Advanced Targeting Computer), but I'm not absolutely certain on this.

1) Range is simply measured from the closest point to the closest point. That often, but not always, means corner to corner.

2) No, the argument just changes a little.

3) Nothing special happens, although you probably don't want to make a habit of dropping bombs on obstacles (because players are already inclined to avoid them).

4) There may eventually be an FAQ on this, but as the rules stand, if the Emperor modifies attack or defense dice, it has to be done in the appropriate step of the combat phase.

5) I would trust the Rules Reference on this point right now.

The Rules Reference Guide always trumps the Learn to Play Guide.

#5 is tricky because normally the FAQ would trump the rules reference. However, that line in the FAQ is older than the Rules Reference Guide so it's quite possible that the Rules Reference is correct in this case. I seem to remember somebody in another thread submitting to FFG for clarification, but I'm not sure they ever heard back...

4) There may eventually be an FAQ on this, but as the rules stand, if the Emperor modifies attack or defense dice, it has to be done in the appropriate step of the combat phase.

Can you point me to a source for this? It was true in the old rule book, but I have not seen anything relevant in the new Rules Reference.

4) There may eventually be an FAQ on this, but as the rules stand, if the Emperor modifies attack or defense dice, it has to be done in the appropriate step of the combat phase.

Can you point me to a source for this? It was true in the old rule book, but I have not seen anything relevant in the new Rules Reference.

In the Modify Attack Dice step, there's a substep called Card Ability:

Card Ability: The attacker can resolve a card ability that modifies attack dice and that he has not already resolved during this attack.

Changing a die result is definitely a modification (page 13), and Palpatine's effect is definitely a card ability, so if you're using him to modify attack dice that's when you do it. The same story applies to modifying defense dice.


So basically the point of origin (on the attacker’s base) for measuring attack range would almost always be a corner of the attacking ship’s base outside it’s firing arc?

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EDIT: Generalized the phrasing better.

Edited by Quarrel


So basically the point of origin (on the attacker’s base) for measuring attack range would almost always be a corner of the attacking ship’s base outside it’s firing arc?

The way the new Rules Reference is written, it does look like you always use the closest corner of the attacking ship (possible exception: parallel bases), even if you're firing a weapon that's restricted to a firing arc that doesn't quite reach that corner. You are still restricted to the closest target point within your firing arc, though. Those are the cases where you won't be measuring corner-to-corner.

If your corner is pointing at the middle of the opponent's front, for instance, the middle is closer than either of their corners.

Which is how Vassal measures, since theres no difference in fire arc range and target lock range...