Has there been a ruling on whether a TIE Fighter model can be played as a TIE/FO (and vice versa)?

Just got my new core set today, and from what I can tell the models only differ in their paint schemes. I would guess the models are interchangeable just like the alternative S&V paint schemes for the Z-95 and Y-wing.

No, the models have considerable differences when you look at them closely. They are different ships and not interchangeable, at least for tournament play. Casually, well, it might get confusing for an opponent, but as long as you're clear from the beginning and your opponent doesn't mind, go for it.

It's an entirely different mold. It's not obvious at first but look at the details on the back by the engine. Also the solar panels are thicker, and the arms are beefier. The ship's dials and specs are also completely different.

Has there been a ruling on whether a TIE Fighter model can be played as a TIE/FO (and vice versa)?

Just got my new core set today, and from what I can tell the models only differ in their paint schemes. I would guess the models are interchangeable just like the alternative S&V paint schemes for the Z-95 and Y-wing.

It seems they are not, but never fear. Gameplay-wise they should work as well as if not better than vanilla ties. Docking is the same, you gain a shield, unless you are going for pure swarmy numbers they seem to be a better class of ship.

If I may ask, why would you want to use them as Vanilla-Ties? The Choco-Ties seem reasonably better.

Has there been a ruling on whether a TIE Fighter model can be played as a TIE/FO (and vice versa)?

Just got my new core set today, and from what I can tell the models only differ in their paint schemes. I would guess the models are interchangeable just like the alternative S&V paint schemes for the Z-95 and Y-wing.

It seems they are not, but never fear. Gameplay-wise they should work as well as if not better than vanilla ties. Docking is the same, you gain a shield, unless you are going for pure swarmy numbers they seem to be a better class of ship.

If I may ask, why would you want to use them as Vanilla-Ties? The Choco-Ties seem reasonably better.

They are in fact worse than classic ln ties according to mj's joust values by 7.5%, not a massive difference but when min maxing it's something to note.

Even if the models are hard to tell apart the DIALS are completely different. Barring component destruction or the secondary market you should have one basic TIE Fighter dial to go with each old TIE Fighter that you have.

Has there been a ruling on whether a TIE Fighter model can be played as a TIE/FO (and vice versa)?

Just got my new core set today, and from what I can tell the models only differ in their paint schemes. I would guess the models are interchangeable just like the alternative S&V paint schemes for the Z-95 and Y-wing.

Your guess would be wrong. They're two different ships with two different dials. It's like asking if you can play a TIE Advanced as a TIE Bomber because the wings look the same. With the TIE/ln and the TIE/fo, they're not the same ship. Same goes for the two X-wing variants as well.

some people completely missed the point of the post. he asked if the models can be used for the original tie's just like the s&v ywing can be used for a rebel ywing. That answer is yes. The model is still a tie fighter. All of your bases and dials have to match to what you are using.

some people completely missed the point of the post. he asked if the models can be used for the original tie's just like the s&v ywing can be used for a rebel ywing. That answer is yes. The model is still a tie fighter. All of your bases and dials have to match to what you are using.

The answer is no, my friend. The TIE/fo and TIE Fighter are not the same ship and you cannot interchange the models, any more than you could interchange a T-70 and a T-65.

I would not use the new tie as a basic tie and vise versa. They are linked to different pilot sets and it would be misrepresented. Plus, it could set you and/or your opponent up for errors later on if you play other people. I had thought about doing this with the A-wing, but Tycho's ship isn't blue striped.

I would not use the new tie as a basic tie and vise versa. They are linked to different pilot sets and it would be misrepresented. Plus, it could set you and/or your opponent up for errors later on if you play other people. I had thought about doing this with the A-wing, but Tycho's ship isn't blue striped.

Your last point doesn't mean anything to this thread. The A-Wing models, despite paint differences, are the SAME model. You can use the red or blue/white ones for ANY of the A-Wing pilots. If you'd rather not as it's confusing for you, that's fine.

But the point the OP asked was can you use the new TIE/FO models as the classic TIE pilots, and vice versa.

And the answer is no. Not because it's confusing or because the paint is different, but because the MODELS are different. The changes are small and subtle (more subtle than the changes between the old and new X-Wings), but they ARE different models.

And so rules-wise, you cannot use them as each other.

Note that it's also against the rules to field a Falcon with the Episode 7 rectangular dish, but people are usually willing to look the other way.

It's unfortunate that the TIE/FO model is so similar to the TIE/LN, though obviously FFG had no control over that. It does lead to something of a paradox. If I paint my old TIEs in FO colors or vice versa, there are few people who could spot the differences from across the room, but running them as the thing they most closely resemble would be technically against the rules.

You know that if you traded the round sensor dish on the Falcon for a square one the ship is no longer officially legal for tournament play? WHAT? IT'S STILL THE SAME MODEL!!! Maybe so but it is still a modification to the ship and officially makes it illegal to use for tournament play. The differences in the TIE Fighter models may be similarly subtle but they are still there.

And of course someone else just pointed that out as well.

And of course someone else just pointed that out as well.

Ninjas be everywhere.

And of course someone else just pointed that out as well.

Ninjas be everywhere.

Sneaky little beggars pop up when you least expect it.

Your last point doesn't mean anything to this thread.

If you say so. But I am thinking it's an FF issued paint job for a set of FF issued pilot cards that reflect the livery on the ship. If I paint a smiley face on the cockpit window or any paint that FF didn't put on it, then it's custom paint. Liverys should identify the ship. That's the purpose of liverys, but I guess each to his own.

Your last point doesn't mean anything to this thread.

If you say so. But I am thinking it's an FF issued paint job for a set of FF issued pilot cards that reflect the livery on the ship. If I paint a smiley face on the cockpit window or any paint that FF didn't put on it, then it's custom paint. Liverys should identify the ship. That's the purpose of liverys, but I guess each to his own.

Going by that line of reasoning, you wouldn't have been able to play the A-wing Prototype pilot when the A-wing first came out as there wasn't a matching livery on the ship. Or a Dagger Sqn B-wing, or any Firespray that wasn't Boba Fett, or any of the blood-striped TIE Interceptor pilots before Imperial Aces was released. You shouldn't limit yourself just because the paintjob doesn't match the pilot card, or you'll be excluding half of your fleet before you start.

It's the SHIP that must match the pilot card, not the paintjob on the ship.

And of course someone else just pointed that out as well.

Ninjas be everywhere.

Sneaky little beggars pop up when you least expect it.

I could amend the modification to say that just cutting off the cockpit on a B-Wing and rotating it would technically make that B-Wing illegal for competition. I believe the new rules do allow some changes to the peg and mount so the angled ship isn't illegal by itself but even that slight rotation of the cockpit to 'keep it level' would make the ship illegal.

Ninjas be everywhere.

Sneaky little beggars pop up when you least expect it.

I could amend the modification to say that just cutting off the cockpit on a B-Wing and rotating it would technically make that B-Wing illegal for competition. I believe the new rules do allow some changes to the peg and mount so the angled ship isn't illegal by itself but even that slight rotation of the cockpit to 'keep it level' would make the ship illegal.

You cannot change the size or shape. You're not really doing either by rotating the cockpit, so I couldn't see a TO ruling against that.

Ninjas be everywhere.

Sneaky little beggars pop up when you least expect it.

I could amend the modification to say that just cutting off the cockpit on a B-Wing and rotating it would technically make that B-Wing illegal for competition. I believe the new rules do allow some changes to the peg and mount so the angled ship isn't illegal by itself but even that slight rotation of the cockpit to 'keep it level' would make the ship illegal.

You cannot change the size or shape. You're not really doing either by rotating the cockpit, so I couldn't see a TO ruling against that.

He'd have to be a complete and utter w***** if he did. I wouldn't see a problem with the round/rectangular dish on the Falcon either. It's purely cosmetic. If I had an opponent that refused to allow it because he was adamant it was now an illegal model, I just wouldn't bother playing him. It's one of those rules technicalities that rarely gets adhered to because it has almost no impact on the game. If the ship is easily recognisable, then it's good enough for me.

But it does ask the question: What about those players that have painted their old TIE Fighters with white wings to look like the new TIE/fo? That's likely to cause some confusion now.

He'd have to be a complete and utter w***** if he did. I wouldn't see a problem with the round/rectangular dish on the Falcon either. It's purely cosmetic. If I had an opponent that refused to allow it because he was adamant it was now an illegal model, I just wouldn't bother playing him. It's one of those rules technicalities that rarely gets adhered to because it has almost no impact on the game. If the ship is easily recognisable, then it's good enough for me.

But it does ask the question: What about those players that have painted their old TIE Fighters with white wings to look like the new TIE/fo? That's likely to cause some confusion now.

I doubt FFG would have any concerns with people adjusting the Falcon's sensor dish or other cosmetic changes, but they were kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they allow "cosmetic" changes, then you would have people endlessly arguing over what counts as cosmetic and what doesn't. The only thing FFG could do is ban any change to the shape of the model itself to ensure everyone was on the same page. But then very minor adjustments like the sensor dish or closing an X-wing's S-foils are rendered illegal.

He'd have to be a complete and utter w***** if he did. I wouldn't see a problem with the round/rectangular dish on the Falcon either. It's purely cosmetic. If I had an opponent that refused to allow it because he was adamant it was now an illegal model, I just wouldn't bother playing him. It's one of those rules technicalities that rarely gets adhered to because it has almost no impact on the game. If the ship is easily recognisable, then it's good enough for me.

But it does ask the question: What about those players that have painted their old TIE Fighters with white wings to look like the new TIE/fo? That's likely to cause some confusion now.

It is against the rules however which also points to why the two different TIE Fighter types are not interchangable.

The TIE Fighter and TIE/FO are completely different models. The moldings are different, if only slightly so. Therefore they cannot be used interchangeably.

However, there is no rule against painting a TIE Fighter to look like a TIE/FO. I imagine that it would be your opponent's responsibility to keep track of your number labels and appropriate ship cards during competitive play.

Note that it's also against the rules to field a Falcon with the Episode 7 rectangular dish,

Your last point doesn't mean anything to this thread.

If you say so. But I am thinking it's an FF issued paint job for a set of FF issued pilot cards that reflect the livery on the ship. If I paint a smiley face on the cockpit window or any paint that FF didn't put on it, then it's custom paint. Liverys should identify the ship. That's the purpose of liverys, but I guess each to his own.

Going by that line of reasoning, you wouldn't have been able to play the A-wing Prototype pilot when the A-wing first came out as there wasn't a matching livery on the ship. Or a Dagger Sqn B-wing, or any Firespray that wasn't Boba Fett, or any of the blood-striped TIE Interceptor pilots before Imperial Aces was released. You shouldn't limit yourself just because the paintjob doesn't match the pilot card, or you'll be excluding half of your fleet before you start.

It's the SHIP that must match the pilot card, not the paintjob on the ship.

I stand corrected. I checked xwing wiki cards v. models and there are different color variations of the ship on the set of cards that come with the model. I haven't played all of these different pilots and I honestly thought I saw all A-wings cards included in the Tycho release set to have the red stripe.