Use of the dice app at OP events.

By rapatpamp, in Star Wars: Armada

Is there any actually good reason to use the App instead of dice?

Because in ones opinion its fun, you can, and official tourney rules allow it?

Personally, I'd hate for an opponent to use a dice app (and me too for that matter). Not only is there the risk of something being "wrong with it", because I know so little about making apps of anything, but if just feels wrong. Roll the dice! It's half the fun, rolling them, seeing them scatter and either jumping for joy when you get the results you want or crying in a corner when you roll blanks! I personally think an app takes away from all that, I wouldn't want to make a big fuss, but hey ho that's just my opinion :)

Really, there is a dice App?

Ridiculous.

Come on people, rolling dice is fun!

Which phone has a battery to allow the Dice App to be displayed in full view of all players, at all times for a whole tournament?

If your screen times out do you concede because you have violated this rule?

If your battery dies, do you switch to dice? If so, why not just use the dice?

If your opponent is suspicious of the App, you would really insist on still using it?

Is there any actually good reason to use the App instead of dice?

1) There is a dice app. Weeeeeee.

2) I tend to disagree

3) Rolling dice is fun. But since I got the app for free with some Amazon credits, I might as well use it since it's easier than passing dice around all the time.

4) Samsung Galaxy Note 4. That's what I have, and it's run the app all day when my buddy and I were playing.

5) Of course you can switch to dice. But I go back to passing dice around the table...

6) If my opponent was suspicious of the app, no I wouldn't use it. If they were suspicious and I wasn't, I'd offer to let them use it (but based on my comments on my previous post I wouldn't do that because I think the Armada part might be biased).

7) Good reasons? The app has sound effects! In Armada the app doesn't offer much, but for Imperial Assault I put presets in for all the different characters so it's easy to select a unit and roll for it. Also, if you're short on dice (only have one set), the app is nice. It's also cheaper than buying a set of dice for X-wing, Armada, Imperial Assault, and SW: RPG.

Edited by thestag

Really, there is a dice App?

Ridiculous.

Come on people, rolling dice is fun!

Which phone has a battery to allow the Dice App to be displayed in full view of all players, at all times for a whole tournament?

If your screen times out do you concede because you have violated this rule?

If your battery dies, do you switch to dice? If so, why not just use the dice?

If your opponent is suspicious of the App, you would really insist on still using it?

Is there any actually good reason to use the App instead of dice?

1) There is a dice app. Weeeeeee.

2) I tend to disagree

3) Rolling dice is fun. But since I got the app for free with some Amazon credits, I might as well use it since it's easier than passing dice around all the time.

4) Samsung Galaxy Note 4. That's what I have, and it's run the app all day when my buddy and I were playing.

5) Of course you can switch to dice. But I go back to passing dice around the table...

6) If my opponent was suspicious of the app, no I wouldn't use it. If they were suspicious and I wasn't, I'd offer to let them use it (but based on my comments on my previous post I wouldn't do that because I think the Armada part might be biased).

7) Good reasons? The app has sound effects! In Armada the app doesn't offer much, but for Imperial Assault I put presets in for all the different characters so it's easy to select a unit and roll for it. Also, if you're short on dice (only have one set), the app is nice. It's also cheaper than buying a set of dice for X-wing, Armada, Imperial Assault, and SW: RPG.

Well addressed.

Also, surprised to hear that the App isn't free.

Really, there is a dice App?

Ridiculous.

Come on people, rolling dice is fun!

Which phone has a battery to allow the Dice App to be displayed in full view of all players, at all times for a whole tournament?

If your screen times out do you concede because you have violated this rule?

If your battery dies, do you switch to dice? If so, why not just use the dice?

If your opponent is suspicious of the App, you would really insist on still using it?

Is there any actually good reason to use the App instead of dice?

1) There is a dice app. Weeeeeee.

2) I tend to disagree

3) Rolling dice is fun. But since I got the app for free with some Amazon credits, I might as well use it since it's easier than passing dice around all the time.

4) Samsung Galaxy Note 4. That's what I have, and it's run the app all day when my buddy and I were playing.

5) Of course you can switch to dice. But I go back to passing dice around the table...

6) If my opponent was suspicious of the app, no I wouldn't use it. If they were suspicious and I wasn't, I'd offer to let them use it (but based on my comments on my previous post I wouldn't do that because I think the Armada part might be biased).

7) Good reasons? The app has sound effects! In Armada the app doesn't offer much, but for Imperial Assault I put presets in for all the different characters so it's easy to select a unit and roll for it. Also, if you're short on dice (only have one set), the app is nice. It's also cheaper than buying a set of dice for X-wing, Armada, Imperial Assault, and SW: RPG.

Well addressed.

Also, surprised to hear that the App isn't free.

It replaces things that you'd otherwise be paying for. Offering it for free would lose FFG money in addition to the cost to develop, maintain, and update.

I don't have the app myself, but in of the impression that it's a very high quality app - unlike many of the free dice rolling apps available.

Plus it's only $5, so that's less than any one dice set, but features all the dice sets.

If the app is legal, then the app is legal. End of story.

Dice apps are not random, they are a mathematical equation, producing a result based solely on the probability of each result. That, in my opinion, is not random.

I really am curious about this.

Why would producing a result solely on the probability of each result not be random? Don't our octahedrons also produce a result that is purely based on the p=0.125 chance that any given side will appear faced up?

Actually, no. Unless rigorous effort is made during quality control to ensure there are no air bubbles, and the symbols aren't engraved, dice don't actually show each face evenly. Casino dice don't have this problem, but they're also $30 for 6 dice that you have to be pretty gentle with.

There's also the issue of players trying to exert some degree of control over the dice- Not a problem in Craps because of how dice need to be rolled, but on a small tabletop the tricks are more viable.

Electronic randomization, on the other hand, is kind of weird, but suffice it to say, it's trickier than you'd think.

In the end, a lot of players are more suspicious of a dice app being hacked than regular dice being manipulated because you can always demand dice be shared or call over a judge if a player is rolling suspiciously, but checking a dice app can be a hassle, I imagine.

I suspect that you're missing my point, and maybe trying to belabor a negligible bias.

The point is that the dice and app are both supposed to return a result in which each die result has a p=x/8 change of appearing, where x is the number of faces that result appears on a die. Sure, the dice and the app may both have unknown biases, unless someone has gone through the trouble of observing the imbalance. But are we really discussing anything more than a slight bias that we shouldn't be wasting our time with?