Would be interesting to hear an in-universe explanation for why the decided to go with the rectangular Fighter wings over the newer Interceptor wings though.

Ease of construction possibly. Seeing as the shape is much the same as the Classic Tie (Heh, heh. "Classic" space ship.) the old factories could be updated to churnout hardware that looks the same, but has been upgraded. I'm thinking along the lines of Vietnam-era U.S. fighters and equipment being continuously upgraded rather than phased out for 40-so years.

(Side musing: Considering that many old ships may be classic at this point in time, do you Imperial pilots would buy red Interceptors for their mid-life crises?)

since the Defender is already canon, I would have to go with the Clawcraft, or the StealthX.

Wait the defender is still cannon? If you have sources I will love you.

since the Defender is already canon, I would have to go with the Clawcraft, or the StealthX.

Wait the defender is still cannon? If you have sources I will love you.

There is a mobile game that is considered disney canon that features the Tie defender.

I think the HWK is in it too so also disney canon now.

I think JJ Abrams has already confirmed he is dumping the EU.

Not a decision he made, just like how he didn't design the T-70.

If you don't like Abrams, fine, but don't blame him for stuff he didn't do.

Okay I get it, JJ Abrams has no responsibility over the outcome of the upcoming movie what so ever. He's only the director, with some writing credits. But yeah he can't do anything with the movie and has no say in it at all.

So freaking Disney tells you the EU isn't canon and you're just going to slap whatever you want from it in your movie? OK hot shot.

And the X-Wing, among other things, is based on original Star Wars art, so it's even more X-Wing than the original saga (T-65) X-Wing.

Disney didn't say the OT EU has been deleted they just said its no longer to considered disney canon until otherwise re-canonized like the HWK and Tie defender.

The T-65 has more in common with the old concept art than the T-70.

Your just looking at the engine in-takes

He's only the director, with some writing credits. But yeah he can't do anything with the movie and has no say in it at all.

Abrams had* the authority to ask the Story Group if he would be allowed to write stuff _into_ the new canon, but he did not have the authority to write stuff _out_ of the canon.

I honestly doubt Abrams is familiar enough with the Legends material to incorporate any of it into his story- he simply wouldn't know it was there to add in.

Theoretically, every writer with Star Wars has that same power to ask the Story Group to use Legendary material. The writer of the Darth Vader comic recently answered a letter to the editor to the effect that he _does_ have those conversations.

Yes, I woukd bet that the creators of the major releases- Abrams and Filoni, to name 2- have a bit more weight to their asks than the writers of random episodes or novels.

*past tense because- as far as I know- he's only doing episode 7. And Episode 7 should be well past the point where he would be able to add anything more than a CGI background element.

I think JJ Abrams has already confirmed he is dumping the EU.

Not a decision he made, just like how he didn't design the T-70.

If you don't like Abrams, fine, but don't blame him for stuff he didn't do.

You will probably find that he had plenty of input as to what ships we will see.

Just like he did for JJ Trek, he could have had the real Enterprise 1701 bit no he wanted to "hot-rod" it up. His words.

Id put money on that he wanted X-wing vs TIEfighters so that's what we will get is rahashed OT ships rather than some new designs backed up by OT craft

I couldn't be more MEH! And Yawn by the /FO and T-70

You're wrong. Just. Objectively wrong. First off, The Constitution Class is an awful design just, in general. Nothing about it is smart. Not a **** thing. Not. A ****. Thing. So you really can't mess it up. It's already messed up beyond belief.n.

What are you on? Clearly your a wars fan over trek and as such you have no brain for logical designs.

The constitution class is actually a good logical space craft design.

The saucer: everything is an equal distance from the center. Meaning ALL the command crew can get to the C&C at the same time.

Engineering hull: same idea as above only allowing for more room for mechanical equipment to function.

Engines: placed far enough away from the ship so in an emergency they can be jettisoned from the craft with minimal damage to the space craft.

Bottom line here is trek is SCIENCE fiction, wars is fantasy

LE SIGH

Way to ignore the rest, just as I predicted you would. You hardcore trekkers tend to do that, whenever the god awful designs are called out.

Lemme' tell you a thing. In warp, The Constitution is terrible compared to the Sovereign. Why? Sleek angles and curves, son. That s**t is completely necessary. Does the JJprise have it better? No not really the Connie is pretty unsalvageable.

But anyway, look man. I design starships. Yes, they take more design cues from Star Wars. It's simply what I grew up with. But if you want honest to god good Starship designs- arguably some of the best in Science Fiction?

Go check out Elite: Dangerous.

Lemme' tell you a thing, I know how The Federation designs their starships. I get it. Yes, the base concept makes tons of sense.

But oh my GOD the execution! Dear Enterprise, please don't make sharp turns! Just as well never try to enter atmosphere! What was that, you took a Torpedo to the neck? Oh boy, the entire ship is in danger now! Wait, what, hold on, your nacelles are on struts above the ship but you want to keep them away? Odd. Shouldn't they be lower, to reduce the likelihood of collision a little more?

Look man, there are designs I think are beautiful in engineering and aesthetics alike.

And this, right here, is number one. It is simply the best design in the damned franchise. It eliminates almost every single problem previous designs had. Saucer can still separate, had a built in Captain's Yacht that definitely has utility, has a primary and auxiliary shuttle bay, has a sleeker, slimmer profile than its predecessors to not only screw with warp less, but to more easily deal with glancing blows- you know, that thing that'd cripple the Connie? This vessel is a true badass of engineering- especially in Star Trek's rules of starship design.

But don't pretend for a second that Star Trek is Hard Science Fiction. It just isn't.

And yeah, a lot of starship designs in Star Wars are godawful. I know for a fact that the X-Wing isn't a very good design. The TIE isn't so bad but it's still severely lacking in several departments- there's absolutely no reason for The Falcon to have an offset cockpit- but here's the thing about Star Wars. It's a story flat out. It's meant to give you themes and such, to tell its stories better- and it does. It takes place a long time ago and hey, that works with the ships. They look old, somewhat primitive.

Star Trek is a vision of the future- not a hard set in facts told story. You want to tell me for a second that half the stupid crap pulled in Voyager could ever happen? God I'd hope not.

As fans of both universes, we need to accept a truth. Liking Star Trek because it's "fiction" over Star Wars' "Fantasy" doesn't make you a smarter person. It just means you have different tastes, because both can have a bunch of holes shot in them and both can be wrong.

Though Star Wars is infinitely more aware of that and doesn't care- while Star Trek, especially the Original Series, is a period piece. It almost entirely suffers "Zeerust". There's also a solid technical reason for this.

Star Trek is given loose interpretations of what we know scientifically in the 21st Century. We then pretend that what are facts now, will be facts forever, and that certain things simply will not change. This leads us to a particular weakness- and that is accepting new facts over the old. But this comes to blows with more than facts. It gets into everything.

"New design? It's not as good."

"New movie? It's not as good."

"New characters?" They're not as good."

It's a problem- and in few ways is it more notable than starship design and having difficulty finding it fallible.

The Constitution Class is a hot mess of misunderstood concepts and low budget. We should admit this- just as we should admit that the exposed bridge on a Star Destroyer is stupid.

But I'm starting to ramble. In a nutshell...

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Star Trek isn't Hard Science Fiction and should not be treated as such. Just as well, its early starship designs should never, ever be held up as parargons of Starship design. They aren't good. Neither are Star Wars'- but the difference is, one knows it, and the other will perpetually face Zeerust.

I hope you get what I'm saying. Basically, don't act like Star Trek is the end all-be-all of hard fiction. It ain't.

I think JJ Abrams has already confirmed he is dumping the EU.

Not a decision he made, just like how he didn't design the T-70.

If you don't like Abrams, fine, but don't blame him for stuff he didn't do.

Okay I get it, JJ Abrams has no responsibility over the outcome of the upcoming movie what so ever. He's only the director, with some writing credits. But yeah he can't do anything with the movie and has no say in it at all.

So freaking Disney tells you the EU isn't canon and you're just going to slap whatever you want from it in your movie? OK hot shot.

And the X-Wing, among other things, is based on original Star Wars art, so it's even more X-Wing than the original saga (T-65) X-Wing.

Disney didn't say the OT EU has been deleted they just said its no longer to considered disney canon until otherwise re-canonized like the HWK and Tie defender.

The T-65 has more in common with the old concept art than the T-70.

Your just looking at the engine in-takes

Those aren't intakes. They're reverse thrusters, which also explains the new dial pretty well. The ARC-170 cross section does a similar thing with its "intakes".

Yes, a scene where Han and Luke sit for 10 minutes straight, talking s4it about the crappier EU stuff.

- Remember the E-Wing, Han? Geez, that was hideous.

I don't know if I want it to be part of the movie, but a 15 minute web short where Han and Luke sit around a table drinking a beer talking about various ships they've flown, and the PITA of starfighter maintaince? I'd watch that a million times.

TIE Phantom. We never got to see cloaking devices in action in the movies.

Didn't we see the Scimitar uncloak in The Phantom Menace?

TIE Phantom. We never got to see cloaking devices in action in the movies.

Didn't we see the Scimitar uncloak in The Phantom Menace?

Nah.

He's only the director, with some writing credits. But yeah he can't do anything with the movie and has no say in it at all.

Abrams had* the authority to ask the Story Group if he would be allowed to write stuff _into_ the new canon, but he did not have the authority to write stuff _out_ of the canon.

I honestly doubt Abrams is familiar enough with the Legends material to incorporate any of it into his story- he simply wouldn't know it was there to add in.

Theoretically, every writer with Star Wars has that same power to ask the Story Group to use Legendary material. The writer of the Darth Vader comic recently answered a letter to the editor to the effect that he _does_ have those conversations.

Yes, I woukd bet that the creators of the major releases- Abrams and Filoni, to name 2- have a bit more weight to their asks than the writers of random episodes or novels.

*past tense because- as far as I know- he's only doing episode 7. And Episode 7 should be well past the point where he would be able to add anything more than a CGI background element.

Yes I know JJ Abrams has a big say in what happens in Episode 7. Being the director you share just as much responsibility as the Producer. I was just pointing out to someone that saying a director having no say in the movie they are directing sounds rather unfounded.

However I also understand the reason for dumping the EU cannon. He is busy with so much other stories he doesn't have the time to read through all of the EU and decide what should be in movies and what should be and what should bet left out.

Funny because I'd be much more hyped if I saw EU ships flash across the screen, rather then a re-hash of Xs and TIEs.

Whereas I'd be heartbroken if they decided to go with the EU designs.

The Sun Crusher, obv.

If your story doesn't have jelly racing, as far as I'm concerned it's not Star Wars.

Well congratulations. Out of everyone on the first page yours is the most likely to happen, from a point of view. I hope you like the Star Killer.

For the rebels I would like to see some of the EU x-wings. How about a stealth-x? Or an XJ title card?

Mist Hunter...

However I also understand the reason for dumping the EU cannon. He is busy with so much other stories he doesn't have the time to read through all of the EU and decide what should be in movies and what should be and what should bet left out.

I think the canon was separated had far less to do with JJ and far more to do with the need of Disney to have room to tell stories for the foreseeable future.

The EU had, roughly what? 100 years of post-Endor history mapped out? And those stories were only heard by... Maybe 10% of the potential audience? It would leave Disney in the unfortunate position of not being able to be fully creative, while also leaving most of the audience blind to events you and I are quite familiar with.

And all the complaing people are doing about not having the EU as an ongoing storyline? That would be the _start_ of the nerd rage if JJ did the Thrawn story differently than how Zhan had done it.

But also? I think that had the Story Group gone to Abrams and told him "here is your story" and handed him the Thrawn Trilogy, JJ Abrams would have saluted, said "Yes Please!" And done the heck out of it.

Because ultimately, it's the Story Group that decides which stories get told in the new Star Wars universe.

I don't think we're in fundamental disagreement. I just think we have some rather different viewpoints about who controls Star Wars.

For some reason part of me wants to see the Wild Karrde. Antonio Banderas can play Talon.

I think everyone realistically knew that in the event of an ST the new movies story would have to be break with the EU at some point the question was when would the break occur. Disney decided rather then follow the EU to a point then break off to tell their story they would just focus on their story and keep the aspects of the EU that suited it. Of course the Clone Wars CGI series had already broken with the EU, usually in ways that I feel were unnecessary, before Disney took over.

What I want is variety on ships. Battle of Endor was cool, Rebels had A, B, Y and X-Wing in the field and Imps. Tie Fighters and Interceptors. It would be shame not to see any Y-wing equivalent in the film. Plus we need more ships so FFG can put those into the game.

What I want is variety on ships. Battle of Endor was cool, Rebels had A, B, Y and X-Wing in the field and Imps. Tie Fighters and Interceptors. It would be shame not to see any Y-wing equivalent in the film. Plus we need more ships so FFG can put those into the game.

Yeah, but if those "more ships" is just more Ep. 7 versions of the same old ships. I'll pass. X-Wings with different intakes and TIE Fighters in reverse colors isn't variety. It's just the same old ****.

I have no interest in just seeing "Resistance Y-Wing" or "First Order TIE Bomber". I want to see some ACTUAL variety.

E-wing

What I want is variety on ships. Battle of Endor was cool, Rebels had A, B, Y and X-Wing in the field and Imps. Tie Fighters and Interceptors. It would be shame not to see any Y-wing equivalent in the film. Plus we need more ships so FFG can put those into the game.

Yeah, but if those "more ships" is just more Ep. 7 versions of the same old ships. I'll pass. X-Wings with different intakes and TIE Fighters in reverse colors isn't variety. It's just the same old ****.

I have no interest in just seeing "Resistance Y-Wing" or "First Order TIE Bomber". I want to see some ACTUAL variety.

We've seen some decent variety from the First Order. You've got the two-seater Special Forces Tie Fighter with a turret, Kylo Ren's shuttle, and the boat-like transporters accompanying the shuttle.

On the other hand, we could really use some more Resistance fighters.

What I want is variety on ships. Battle of Endor was cool, Rebels had A, B, Y and X-Wing in the field and Imps. Tie Fighters and Interceptors. It would be shame not to see any Y-wing equivalent in the film. Plus we need more ships so FFG can put those into the game.

Yeah, but if those "more ships" is just more Ep. 7 versions of the same old ships. I'll pass. X-Wings with different intakes and TIE Fighters in reverse colors isn't variety. It's just the same old ****.

I have no interest in just seeing "Resistance Y-Wing" or "First Order TIE Bomber". I want to see some ACTUAL variety.

The desire for 'actual variety' is what spawned the K Wing, TIE Punisher and other hideous EU ships. I'd much prefer re-hashed old ships to ugly new ships any day of the week.

Of course, the holy grail would be good looking new ships. The B Wing and A Wing were new at one point, and they hit the mark perfectly. I don't know that I trust the film crew working on TFA enough to hope for new ships. I definitely trust them enough to hope for new versions of old ships, though.

We've seen some decent variety from the First Order. You've got the two-seater Special Forces Tie Fighter with a turret, Kylo Ren's shuttle, and the boat-like transporters accompanying the shuttle.

I do NOT consider the Special Forces TIE variety. It's just the First Order TIE(which is itself, just a a TIE Fighter repaint) with a couple extra bits on it.

They could have at least changed the panels on it!

The Sun Crusher, obv.

If your story doesn't have jelly racing, as far as I'm concerned it's not Star Wars.

Well congratulations. Out of everyone on the first page yours is the most likely to happen, from a point of view. I hope you like the Star Killer.