@CaineHoA: Good points. It's something else I intended to mention. A few montgs ago, I brought dual Aggressors to game night and faced Tarn Mison accompanied by the 2 of the cheapest YT-2400s, each with HLC. My opponent was flying his list "just cause he could" and I was still working on my tournament list. I cleaned up quickly, as one would expect. I don't think the game was really fun for either of us, but that's not to say dual Aggressors should be banned. Instead it means we should have discussed what we were hoping for that evening before setting up squads*. I think that may be the kind of thing the OP was talking about.

*(In reality, my opponent wanted to test it against a meta squad to see how it would go but didn't really expect to win.)

And you think TLTs are bad ...

Wait until Wave 15 and the Sun Crusher. The one ship Meta is going to be brutal ...

Is it weird that I think that squad could do pretty decently against Brobots?

Fel with Autothrusters, Stealth Device, and Push the Limit, by himself, could beat a 4Y TLT list. And that is not an uncommon ship-build. it would take him all day, and he'd have to play extremely patiently, waiting for opponent to make mistakes (land on rocks, split themselves up, etc.), and generally take range 3 shots from a place that only allowed 1 Y to fire back at him at a time. But I think he could do it.

Problem with what you suggest is in a tournament you have a hour and fifteen minutes.

Ya fel maybe alive, but you probably won't have anything else left when time is called

Also one bad roll is all it takes

How many times have I been one shooted through a rock at range 3 while cloaked and with a focus is wrong, but that's dice

@CaineHoA: Good points. It's something else I intended to mention. A few montgs ago, I brought dual Aggressors to game night and faced Tarn Mison accompanied by the 2 of the cheapest YT-2400s, each with HLC. My opponent was flying his list "just cause he could" and I was still working on my tournament list. I cleaned up quickly, as one would expect. I don't think the game was really fun for either of us, but that's not to say dual Aggressors should be banned. Instead it means we should have discussed what we were hoping for that evening before setting up squads*. I think that may be the kind of thing the OP was talking about.

*(In reality, my opponent wanted to test it against a meta squad to see how it would go but didn't really expect to win.)

I agree that the lack of communication might be one of the main reasons this happens. You can always find a way to get "even" matchups if you want to. However its not always a given that you talk to potential players to much before meeting for a game. So to some degree it is a question of what the game allows you to do.

Looks like someone else is assuming no return fire as well. Have Y-Wings suddenly acquired agility 10 or something?

Fel with Autothrusters, Stealth Device, and Push the Limit, by himself, could beat a 4Y TLT list. And that is not an uncommon ship-build. it would take him all day, and he'd have to play extremely patiently, waiting for opponent to make mistakes (land on rocks, split themselves up, etc.), and generally take range 3 shots from a place that only allowed 1 Y to fire back at him at a time. But I think he could do it.

Problem with what you suggest is in a tournament you have a hour and fifteen minutes.

Ya fel maybe alive, but you probably won't have anything else left when time is called

Also one bad roll is all it takes

How many times have I been one shooted through a rock at range 3 while cloaked and with a focus is wrong, but that's dice

Looks like someone else is assuming no return fire as well. Have Y-Wings suddenly acquired agility 10 or something?

This is a dice game. Rolling nothing but blanks can happen, and there is a greater chance of it happening when you have to roll against 6-8 attacks in one turn.

Looks like someone else is assuming no return fire as well. Have Y-Wings suddenly acquired agility 10 or something?

This is a dice game. Rolling nothing but blanks can happen, and there is a greater chance of it happening when you have to roll against 6-8 attacks in one turn.

You'll be facing 6-8 attacks (causing an absolute maximum of 6-8 damage) for ONE ROUND OF SHOOTING MAXIMUM. Once again, you appear to be assuming no return fire. Why do you continually assume no return fire?

Y-Wings have one Agility, 3 shields and 5 hull. In a 4 x TLT list, they're also PS2 so are highly susceptible to Predator, highly susceptible to critical hits and will almost certainly be shooting last. One of those Y-Wings could well be crippled or dead before it even gets an opportunity to fire.

If all four Y-Wings are still alive by the time they get a second opportunity to fire, then their opponent has done something wrong, fickle dice or not fickle dice. If all four Y-Wings are still alive by the time they get a second opportunity to fire AND are able to all focus fire on a single target, then their opponent has done something seriously wrong and deserves everything they get.

But of course, multiple people have pointed this out before, and you've ignored it before because these facts don't suit your agenda. Seriously, if your knee was jerking any higher over this you'd be knocking yourself out.

Looks like someone else is assuming no return fire as well. Have Y-Wings suddenly acquired agility 10 or something?

This is a dice game. Rolling nothing but blanks can happen, and there is a greater chance of it happening when you have to roll against 6-8 attacks in one turn.

fun thing about TLTs versus PWTs

against PWTs, one bad roll gets your ass one shot no matter how well you play

against TLTs, one bad roll gets one damage

PWT= pewpewpew

TLT= DAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKA.

Man I wish empire had a small turret. With EPTs.

I'd ruthless everything.

Looks like someone else is assuming no return fire as well. Have Y-Wings suddenly acquired agility 10 or something?

This is a dice game. Rolling nothing but blanks can happen, and there is a greater chance of it happening when you have to roll against 6-8 attacks in one turn.

fun thing about TLTs versus PWTs

against PWTs, one bad roll gets your ass one shot no matter how well you play

against TLTs, one bad roll gets one damage

Looks like someone else is assuming no return fire as well. Have Y-Wings suddenly acquired agility 10 or something?

This is a dice game. Rolling nothing but blanks can happen, and there is a greater chance of it happening when you have to roll against 6-8 attacks in one turn.

You'll be facing 6-8 attacks (causing an absolute maximum of 6-8 damage) for ONE ROUND OF SHOOTING MAXIMUM. Once again, you appear to be assuming no return fire. Why do you continually assume no return fire?

Y-Wings have one Agility, 3 shields and 5 hull. In a 4 x TLT list, they're also PS2 so are highly susceptible to Predator, highly susceptible to critical hits and will almost certainly be shooting last. One of those Y-Wings could well be crippled or dead before it even gets an opportunity to fire.

If all four Y-Wings are still alive by the time they get a second opportunity to fire, then their opponent has done something wrong, fickle dice or not fickle dice. If all four Y-Wings are still alive by the time they get a second opportunity to fire AND are able to all focus fire on a single target, then their opponent has done something seriously wrong and deserves everything they get.

But of course, multiple people have pointed this out before, and you've ignored it before because these facts don't suit your agenda. Seriously, if your knee was jerking any higher over this you'd be knocking yourself out.

You sure like to make assumptions a lot, don't you?

Actually that's a good point

TLTs and autoblaster turrets, say 2 each. or 3 TLT 1 autoblaster...

Soontir has to get close to avoid being dakka'ed to death, gets close...oops dropped the soap.

I'm not the one who's ignoring the issue despite it being pointed out time and time again. But that's your problem I guess.

No, you're the one who's ignoring everyone who doesn't agree with your stance on TLT Y-Wings. Which is the forum equivalent of petulant foot-stamping and holding your breath until you pass out. But that's your problem, I guess.

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You sure like to make assumptions a lot, don't you?

Certainly no more than you do. I actually allow for my opponents attacking back, for a start.

I'm not the one who's ignoring the issue despite it being pointed out time and time again. But that's your problem I guess.

No, you're the one who's ignoring everyone who doesn't agree with your stance on TLT Y-Wings. Which is the forum equivalent of petulant foot-stamping and holding your breath until you pass out. But that's your problem, I guess.

Bad form old chap, if you have to say that at least put it on a picture with Kermit drinking Lipton.

I seriously want to try Y-TLTX3 with an autoblaster turret Y with.

I seriously want to try Y-TLTX3 with an autoblaster turret Y with.

Then give it a go, and report back how you get on!

But ahhmm at woooorrrrk.

Want to do it right now. BAH.

I'm not the one who's ignoring the issue despite it being pointed out time and time again. But that's your problem I guess.

No, you're the one who's ignoring everyone who doesn't agree with your stance on TLT Y-Wings. Which is the forum equivalent of petulant foot-stamping and holding your breath until you pass out. But that's your problem, I guess.

Actually I'm not, but you are the King of Assumptions apparently so no matter what I say, you will just assume what you want anyway.

Here is the list though:

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Soontir Drops The Soap
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100 points

Pilots
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Gold Squadron Pilot (25)
Y-Wing (18), R2 Astromech (1), Twin Laser Turret (6)

Gold Squadron Pilot (21)
Y-Wing (18), R2 Astromech (1), Autoblaster Turret (2)

Gray Squadron Pilot (27) x 2
Y-Wing (20), R2 Astromech (1), Twin Laser Turret (6)

Pay particular attention to the 2 PS4 TLTs.

I'm not the one who's ignoring the issue despite it being pointed out time and time again. But that's your problem I guess.

No, you're the one who's ignoring everyone who doesn't agree with your stance on TLT Y-Wings. Which is the forum equivalent of petulant foot-stamping and holding your breath until you pass out. But that's your problem, I guess.

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You sure like to make assumptions a lot, don't you?

Certainly no more than you do. I actually allow for my opponents attacking back, for a start.

You might want to go back and reread the comment, I'm sorry the assumption, you made about me playing fat Han for starters.

As regards the tediousness of all of the TLT shots:

I played last night against 2 TLTs and 2 Ion cannons, all with BTL-A4. First round of shooting, he got to attack me 10 times with 4 ships. That was annoying. Han was in range 1, so most of his attacks went at my Miranda.

Instead of complaining about it, I killed one of his ships. Now, he only gets a max of 7 attacks -- But WAIT, I got behind one of his ships, so that one isn't shooting. Then I killed his other TLT. Now 4 attacks, but more likely 0 or 1, because I'm flying Han Solo with Engine Upgrade.

Man, was that boring. Wait, no it wasn't. I had to use my SKILL to prevent ships from shooting me multiple times. In the end, I lost, but it was close - had I remembered to use C-3PO on the primary shot from a Y-wing, instead of saving it for the Ion shot that never came because I was range 3, I would have not taken a crit and been just fine the rest of the game.

Obviously, this is not possible, and complete hokum, as it has already been demonstrated that TLT is OPP. :-)

If they didnt all take title your precious Han wouldve been toast. Just sayin.

Obviously that's true... except that Miranda wouldn't have died that turn, may have even survived the next turn, and I would have been killing his Y-wings even faster, and also staying IN holes instead of running toward range 3... This was Han with PTL and Kyle, so running is slightly harder, but staying close is easy, and once I've got 2 y-wings down (3 turns, likely), and Han's still sitting at 6 hp while Miranda has managed to keep 2 shields consistently, then even if he does kill Han, Miranda will run around and laugh while shooting her own TLT at the y-wings.

Sulk away Darth Landy. I'm just going to put you on the ignore list now, because your petulant pouting is getting tiresome.

Here is the list though:

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Soontir Drops The Soap
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100 points

Pilots
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Gold Squadron Pilot (25)
Y-Wing (18), R2 Astromech (1), Twin Laser Turret (6)

Gold Squadron Pilot (21)
Y-Wing (18), R2 Astromech (1), Autoblaster Turret (2)

Gray Squadron Pilot (27) x 2
Y-Wing (20), R2 Astromech (1), Twin Laser Turret (6)

Cool. I'd be tempted to put the Autoblaster on the Gray Squadron, though. It's not going to shoot ahead of Soontir, but it might shoot ahead of a Green Squadron Pilot with Proton Rockets, and that could make a big difference (it'll give the poor guy some degree of protection from Predator as well).

That's very true. You know, I encourage people to try this list. If it turns out to be nastier to fight than 4TLT then this thread created something even worse, and the gods of irony will be pleased.

Anything that nerfs TLT will just bring back the 2 ship meta, which needs to be stopped at all costs.

Sulk away Darth Landy. I'm just going to put you on the ignore list now, because your petulant pouting is getting tiresome.

Here is the list though:

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Soontir Drops The Soap

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100 points

Pilots

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Gold Squadron Pilot (25)

Y-Wing (18), R2 Astromech (1), Twin Laser Turret (6)

Gold Squadron Pilot (21)

Y-Wing (18), R2 Astromech (1), Autoblaster Turret (2)

Gray Squadron Pilot (27) x 2

Y-Wing (20), R2 Astromech (1), Twin Laser Turret (6)

Cool. I'd be tempted to put the Autoblaster on the Gray Squadron, though. It's not going to shoot ahead of Soontir, but it might shoot ahead of a Green Squadron Pilot with Proton Rockets, and that could make a big difference (it'll give the poor guy some degree of protection from Predator as well).

Good for you Gecko. If you can't handle the truth and your personal attacks/tantrums aren't working, it's probably best to flee the battlefield.

I'm not the one who's ignoring the issue despite it being pointed out time and time again. But that's your problem I guess.

No, you're the one who's ignoring everyone who doesn't agree with your stance on TLT Y-Wings. Which is the forum equivalent of petulant foot-stamping and holding your breath until you pass out. But that's your problem, I guess.

Actually I'm not, but you are the King of Assumptions apparently so no matter what I say, you will just assume what you want anyway.

Sorry Darth Landy but i think Gecko is right on this, you seem really hellbent on creating a problem where there isn't any. The game is as diverse as it probably never was and personally i have more fun than ever testing out lists and also playing against them (yes that includes TLT). If you don't have fun for some reason, i can't help you!

TLT are not half as dominant as stated in thread title and when you realized that most people disagree with you, you just said "okay but they are boring" where still most people disagree with you. Plus that's a very subjective thing anyway.