An upcoming fan supplement is in need of interior art! Myself and RebelDave are looking for community artists or members who have artists friends.
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Contact me by PM or share with us your talent! 
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My art https://www.behance.net/ThomasTegner I do commissions.
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Edited by RodianCloneAre you offering to pay artist? Because if not I can see why this thread isn't attracting all that much attention. Art is still labor and time after all.
Are you offering to pay artist? Because if not I can see why this thread isn't attracting all that much attention. Art is still labor and time after all.
This is for a fan made supplement. They cannot charge for it and cannot make a profit.
They are offering THEIR time and service free of charge.
Considering that, it is not unfair of them to ask the same of community artists. Creating some artwork for this supplement is no more tedious than building it.
Are you offering to pay artist? Because if not I can see why this thread isn't attracting all that much attention. Art is still labor and time after all.
This is for a fan made supplement. They cannot charge for it and cannot make a profit.
They are offering THEIR time and service free of charge.
Considering that, it is not unfair of them to ask the same of community artists. Creating some artwork for this supplement is no more tedious than building it.
All I'm saying is if you're asking for free labor, don't be surprised if people aren't interested. Just because it's fan supplement doesn't mean artist shouldn't be compensated for their work.
Are you offering to pay artist? Because if not I can see why this thread isn't attracting all that much attention. Art is still labor and time after all.
This is for a fan made supplement. They cannot charge for it and cannot make a profit.
They are offering THEIR time and service free of charge.
Considering that, it is not unfair of them to ask the same of community artists. Creating some artwork for this supplement is no more tedious than building it.
All I'm saying is if you're asking for free labor, don't be surprised if people aren't interested. Just because it's fan supplement doesn't mean artist shouldn't be compensated for their work.
So, is the OP's work on this somehow less valuable because he doesn't sketch anything? I don't see you rushing to ask for his PayPal username to throw him a bone, or his Patreon to keep him doing this.
So, is the OP's work on this somehow less valuable because he doesn't sketch anything? I don't see you rushing to ask for his PayPal username to throw him a bone, or his Patreon to keep him doing this.
The OP isn't hiring writers. If he came here asking for writers to help write for this project I would say the same thing. What he does with his own time is his business. When he ask others to work on his project he should be prepared to pay them for their time.
And no I didn't offer to donate to him. I have no intent on using his fan supplement. I never use fan supplements.
So, is the OP's work on this somehow less valuable because he doesn't sketch anything? I don't see you rushing to ask for his PayPal username to throw him a bone, or his Patreon to keep him doing this.
The OP isn't hiring writers. If he came here asking for writers to help write for this project I would say the same thing. What he does with his own time is his business. When he ask others to work on his project he should be prepared to pay them for their time.
And no I didn't offer to donate to him. I have no intent on using his fan supplement. I never use fan supplements.
Okay, since you failed to see that point....
This is a fan made supplement using material from a licensed franchise. Most artwork will use much of this material.
It is as illegal to charge for this supplement as it is to charge for artwork based on the same fandom.
Secondary point; if you have no interest in using this, why are you harassing OP for not offering to pay people for work when they do not hold the copyrights anymore than he does?
Okay, since you failed to see that point....
This is a fan made supplement using material from a licensed franchise. Most artwork will use much of this material.
It is as illegal to charge for this supplement as it is to charge for artwork based on the same fandom.
Secondary point; if you have no interest in using this, why are you harassing OP for not offering to pay people for work when they do not hold the copyrights anymore than he does?
No I didn't fail to see your point. I just don't view fan supplements as a licenses to ask for free labor. If you come asking people to write and draw FOR YOU then you should be prepared to compensate them for the time they are committing to the project. I'm not suggesting he charge for it, I'm suggesting he compensate people for their time. The fact that he will not make money off the project does not suddenly make it ok to not offer to compensate others for their time.
Also it's not illegal to pay someone for doing art for you. Plenty of artist make plenty of money doing fan art. Deviantart is filled with artist who do Star Wars fan art based on commission.
As for why I'm saying something, because I believe artist should be paid for their time unless they themselves offer to do something for you for free. But if you're asking them to do something for you you should be prepared to compensate them.
Are you offering to pay artist? Because if not I can see why this thread isn't attracting all that much attention. Art is still labor and time after all.
This is for a fan made supplement. They cannot charge for it and cannot make a profit.
They are offering THEIR time and service free of charge.
Considering that, it is not unfair of them to ask the same of community artists. Creating some artwork for this supplement is no more tedious than building it.
And yet Fan films are made and some of them cost quite a bit to do. For example, Star Wars: Revelations cost $15,000 to make (cameras, crew, locations, costumes, sets, etc...) and they weren't allowed to charge for the film. So, just because something is a "fan" job doesn't mean that those doing some work shouldn't be compensated.
The OP`s time is valuable. However, this is his or her personal project. They can`t expect others to work on it for free.
If I built a house, I would still have to pay plumbers and electricians to work on my house, even if I did it for free or even had to spend money on it.
Expecting artists to work for free is either ignorant or just not having respect for their job. You wouldn`t ask any other profession to do it.
This one is good. It`s something huge and completely different, but artists should never work for free. It is destroying the busines and the artist community.
Never work for exposure or just to help out. I love to draw, but I can`t afford to spend time and effort to work for free.
It`s simple; what is YOUR job? Would you do that for free?
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Building your own house nets you a monetary gain. You created a thing that a value can be applied to and that you can sell in the future.
That is a poor comparison.
That second post is just amusing, though it too does not apply. That would only work if FFG themselves had asked for artists to work for exposure only.
Here's the thing; everyone assumes this guy is completely closed off to paying a reasonable amount for the artwork provided. Most likely he is hoping to find people that are willing to contribute for the sake of contributing. If you calculate the going rate for publishing this book, you could attribute a value to it, yes, but there is nothing he can do to make a profit off of it.
What you guys are saying is that he should essentially not be allowed to put forth a project that others find valuable for its very existence unless he can afford to pay others out of his own pocket. I've met a fair few people with some awesome ideas and solid concepts that simply cannot afford to make it reality.
Lay off him a bit. He's trying to make something FOR YOU and you're just treating him like he's some kind of plague to be eradicated because he asked for people to donate themselves the same as he did.
No what I'm saying, and have said numerous times, is that when he makes the request he should offer to compensate them. The lack of compensation is likely why no one has posted in the thread saying they'd do it for free. I feel the artist should be extended respect first and foremost and part of that respect is offering them something for their time instead of saying "hey you want to do something for free for me?"
Having known a lot of artist friends over the years, many of whom try to make it a business and source of income, one of the things they complain about is that people expect them to draw stuff for you for free. Especially when it's a project like this.
And if you're not going to offer to compensate people then don't be surprised if no one is interested in helping you do your project.
I had a beautiful reply written out. It would have solved world hunger, ended the war in the Middle East, unified the theories of the origins of the universe, and brought the two of us together so that we could understand each other perfectly.
But it apparently didn't submit properly and I'm too lazy to type it back out.
So, screw it. The world can just starve for all I care. >.>
I gotta say, I don't see anything wrong with putting a general message out looking for free artists. "Several nobodies seek other nobodies who want to be Somebody." If they were looking for writers or cartographers, I might consider it.
That said, there's nothing wrong with pointing out that an empty hook ain't gonna get a lot of bites. Not sure why this has to be a fight.
I gotta say, I don't see anything wrong with putting a general message out looking for free artists. "Several nobodies seek other nobodies who want to be Somebody." If they were looking for writers or cartographers, I might consider it.
That said, there's nothing wrong with pointing out that an empty hook ain't gonna get a lot of bites. Not sure why this has to be a fight.
Agreed.
I Alphaed Force and Destiny as a member of the table.
Only one copy of the book is sent out per table, so it's not like most of us got anything for it. Our table benefited, but we individually did not.
But it's pretty cool to be able to point to my name in that book and say I helped make it what it is. I got to see some things that have not been released or may never be released. I was a part of making it what it is.
If he had asked for more writers, I would not have asked a dime. I love this system and love the community that supports it. If I could draw worth a ****, you can bet I would offer up a few pieces to help fill the pages. Things that were perhaps commissioned before, or things that I could just add to my portfolio, or maybe some random doodles that might have otherwise gone unimproved.
It's an artist thing.
There are reasons why the starving artist is a colloquialism.
Sat in ona couple classes back in the day. The rants the instructors would go on about never ever make art for free was rampant and strong.
Talk to more artist. As you get to know artist they start to tell stories about how they are all ways being approached for free art. And if you get to know enough of them you'll soon discover that many of them find it disrespectful that they aren't being offered compensation. So sure it's all cool and what not to you who don't happen to draw,
My entire point has been and I've said it before, artist should be respected and as such something should be offered to compensate them for their time. The lack of artist showing up to offer their services for free is very telling of how little interest there is in doing a free project. This thread has been around 11 days, more than enough time for an artist to come in and save the day. The only real talking going on though is a discussion on whether it's cool or not to ask for free labor.
Show artist the respect they deserve. Always offer to compensate them. It builds respect between you and the artist and they may be willing to forgo doing it for something just because you treated them with respect instead of assuming they were just waiting to do some free art today.
Thank you everyone who are "on our side" and the rest who are keeping this thread in the first posts
I would say my two cents, but people have already stated my opinions better then I am. Whoever wants to help and contribute to the community projects (to say, this idea and collaborations grew on this forums, out of interest for this community's benefit), we are happy to accept. No one is putting a blaster to your head, and unfortunately we have no monetary reward to hand.
Edited by RusakRakeshI gotta say, I don't see anything wrong with putting a general message out looking for free artists. "Several nobodies seek other nobodies who want to be Somebody." If they were looking for writers or cartographers, I might consider it.
That said, there's nothing wrong with pointing out that an empty hook ain't gonna get a lot of bites. Not sure why this has to be a fight.
Sure, if it`s noobs looking for noobs, but the post said they are looking for artists. No real artist will work for free and it is very disrespectful and/or ignorant to expect them too.
Why is this turning into a fight? Because artists have heard this one before....
But sure, let noobs look for noobs and have some stick figures done, I don`t work for free. And any artist who would is ruining for other artists, so they won`t.
I had a friend over the other day who fixed my computer. He used several hours on it. It is his job. I payed him and would have felt bad if I didn`t
Have a nice day
I have to add, that artists have turned up, as being asked, in private message
I also want to add that no disrespect was intentional. I have lots of artists friends and colleagues, and I respect their art and enjoy it, and I respect their right to being payed. However, most of them also do art "for free", which is called helping their community/friends, out of charity, empathy or good will. This also doesn't mean I do not think you, RodianClone, is a good person and I respect you opinion and attitude... your sketches are also nice
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