As a new player I find your attitude elitist and insulting. I have been playing for about 6 weeks and started on a bit of a whim, as a result I was unaware that a new core set was incoming (personally as an OT fan I'm less than interested in the ships from the new core anyway). I bought 2 Cores and vader and a Y as well as most wanted, recently I added wave 7 minus the conjoined bomber and the raider. Having spent recent months hobby budget on core sets already I'm incredibly reluctant to shell out for another.

I enjoy playing competitively but I also like to play with friends who use my ships, in order to continue competitive play I will have to stop acquiring ships that I want in my collection that will see actual play in order to acquire a pretty box a damage deck and a handful of upgrade cards. The rest of the contents might as well be space dust for all the use they are to me. What possible harm could be caused by FFG selling a damage deck separately to go alongside the dice packs they already sell?

Hey Frost, I feel for you, man. I'm big on the OT as well, I don't play competitively (or even competently depending on who you ask ).

I've come to terms with the new core set, here's the thing that helped me.

1) It comes with 3 models, and all 3 of those ships can be treated as nice repaints for your OT ships. On that basis alone most of the sting comes out of the price tag.

2) Dice. Even if you have 2 original cores, 3 extra red/green dice is still really nice, especially since it sounds like you provide the ships for games with you friend, which probably means you supply the dice too.

3) New Astromechs. We needed 'em for our OT X-Wings and Y-Wings the set has them.

4) The new damage deck is better, I would have bought it as a separate accessory regardless.

5) The new set includes corrected dials and action bar for you OT X-Wings. Don't let anyone ever try to convince you that the T-65 was and should be a piece of garbage. They were the primary reason the Rebellion was able to take down 2 Deathstars, that ain't bad for a snub fighter.

All in all, even for an OT only fan, it's a decent value. Whether that was by design or dumb luck, I'm not sure. Nice to have another "casual" on the boards . Hope that helps take the sting out for you

According to what I've been reading, there is some of you griping about being told you will eventually have to buy the new core set. This is because FFG has said, starting in January '16, you will need the new damage deck for FFG sanctioned events. Seems you think buying the core just for the deck is a waste of money on your part or a money grab on FFG's part.

So the question(s) I have that I would seriously like those of you in that crowd to answer:

How many YTs or Firesprays or B-wings or Interceptors or Aggressors or Z-95s etc...do you own? How many bought a CR-90, possibly just for 3PO? How many have bought 3rd party templates/tokens?

Hopefully this will shed light on how nonsensical your griping is when put next to the fact you bought double YTs and Aggressors or have a RG Interceptor list that where you got 4 red RG Interceptors from buying 4 Aces boxes with all 4 sporting ATs from 2 Starvipers you don't use or have 3PO on that double Facon list.

i see what your up to here and I agree and approve... nice post.

For me there is no issue what so ever because I love STAR WARS and The Glory of The FFG STAR WARS Products is the best ever made on Earth.

I WILL own them and love them all foreseers.

I do not care about tournament gypsies yarbeling about spending a little $30 to maintain their utterly ridiculous PROFESSIONAL GAMER HERO STATUSES.

Yet for all of the hate yap they have spat this last week or so, these Schmucks will still buy the thing for $50 because they got to keep their hole in the sad wall strip mall crap FLGS shacks open... they wanna do their part!

I ain't here to replace 40k... dats been dead for like fifteen years now.

I am here for STAR WARS!

For someone putting down tournament players you seem to share an unfortunate impression with the worst of them: that your way of playing is the only one that matters. I enjoy tournaments because I get to test my skills in a competitive setting against good players. Not to mention the fact that 5 games of Xwing in a day is a rare pleasure for me. To attack local game stores that are often the only place for some people to get a game is also counterintuitive I feel.

You might see thirty dollars as a small investment but for some that's an entire months budget.

I don't believe that anyone griping about the core set attacked anyone that bought it, why do you feel the need to insult the people that think 30 quid for a damage deck is too expensive?

I think they need to go back to 40k and stay the hell off our cool forum with their hate threads.

If you got taco bell and mc donalds $$$ for when you go to your little gamer corner you can spend $30 for a brand new updated version of THE BEST STAR WARS GAME ON EARTH.

IF all you can spend is $30 a month then you need to do something else entirely... PATHETIC!!!

I can't decide if you're trolling or just being an elitist jerk, you've now started insulting people with low disposable income, great move, I'm new to this community and I already feel that if people like you are representative, then I'm not sure I want to stay!

For your information I'm working as a teachers assistant while supporting myself through my teacher training, so yeah my income is a little tight at times. But yo be called pathetic because of that is just low, get off your damned pedestal!

Not an insult but rather a sane suggestion. If your funds are that low then go do something else besides hate FFG cause you can't buy the new toys. It ain't their job to give you free stuff, and I am not being an elitist on a ped-a-stoll because I do not care about how much $$$ you have to buy toys.

Simples.

Threads with this attitude really don't help you know. Like, not everyone of us have that much disposable cash to spend on this game, so this whole elitist attitude where people who have concerns about certain things are ruining the game and such is likely just going to drive people away. This forum can be quite hostile and that's not helping your hobby, which really conflicts with the attitude of "just wanting people to play the game".

And yes, the damage deck isn't mandatory, I know, but it's an update to a core component, which isn't really the same as an upgrade card for an individual ship.

@Joe; I haven't really seen much hate coming from the people not wanting to buy a coreset for the damage deck, I've seen plenty of hostility and arrogance coming from people on the other side as well. For someone who claims to be all about enjoying the game you sure can be a condescending jerk.

I'll look out for someone with a spare I guess.

I'm seriously considering buying 5 or 6 core sets, splitting them into the various components and selling them on eBay.

Of course I'll no doubt get flamed for 'profiteering' by the people who refuse to buy a new core set

As a new player I find your attitude elitist and insulting. I have been playing for about 6 weeks and started on a bit of a whim, as a result I was unaware that a new core set was incoming (personally as an OT fan I'm less than interested in the ships from the new core anyway). I bought 2 Cores and vader and a Y as well as most wanted, recently I added wave 7 minus the conjoined bomber and the raider. Having spent recent months hobby budget on core sets already I'm incredibly reluctant to shell out for another.

I enjoy playing competitively but I also like to play with friends who use my ships, in order to continue competitive play I will have to stop acquiring ships that I want in my collection that will see actual play in order to acquire a pretty box a damage deck and a handful of upgrade cards. The rest of the contents might as well be space dust for all the use they are to me. What possible harm could be caused by FFG selling a damage deck separately to go alongside the dice packs they already sell?

When you see someone buying their second copy of the new core, ambush them and steal the damage deck. Or offer to buy it for a few bucks, that seems less likely to end in an arrest. If I was planning on picking up a second I'd be willing to part with my spare, but as it stands I'm going to wait and see what upgrade cards are in the packs.

I'll look out for someone with a spare I guess.

Ebay good sir. I found a few on there already. Or as I posted in an earlier thread you could buy the new core (provided you have the cash to spare for the moment) and sell off all the stuff you dont want (ie everything but the deck) and get the deck for something like $10 - $11.

Thats your best bet for finding a lone deck at the moment. Sorry to hear this hit you right as you started...

Cheapest I found was $13 earlier but that's still an expansion you want you have to forgone to get the cards.

A new damage deck should of come with a new edition honestly not a core set aimed at cashing in on a new movie.

In what way have I hated on FFG? Is it hate to question someone's decision whether it be business, political or personal. Whatever happened to freedom of speech? And no its pedestal not pedastoll.

@ Funkleton: you won't get accused by me, I'd be more than happy to pay 13 dollars for a damage deck. It's what I'd be prepared to pay for one separately. Why would I care if you make a bit of cash on the side if it provides a secondary service that I want that the primary provider doesn't offer?

I'll look out for someone with a spare I guess.

I'm seriously considering buying 5 or 6 core sets, splitting them into the various components and selling them on eBay.

Of course I'll no doubt get flamed for 'profiteering' by the people who refuse to buy a new core set

HOW DARE YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF POOR PEOPLES!!!

IF you wuz a real Star Brother you would give them components away to helps outs...

According to what I've been reading, there is some of you griping about being told you will eventually have to buy the new core set. This is because FFG has said, starting in January '16, you will need the new damage deck for FFG sanctioned events. Seems you think buying the core just for the deck is a waste of money on your part or a money grab on FFG's part.

So the question(s) I have that I would seriously like those of you in that crowd to answer:

How many YTs or Firesprays or B-wings or Interceptors or Aggressors or Z-95s etc...do you own? How many bought a CR-90, possibly just for 3PO? How many have bought 3rd party templates/tokens?

Hopefully this will shed light on how nonsensical your griping is when put next to the fact you bought double YTs and Aggressors or have a RG Interceptor list that where you got 4 red RG Interceptors from buying 4 Aces boxes with all 4 sporting ATs from 2 Starvipers you don't use or have 3PO on that double Facon list.

Out of your litmus ships I only own 1 of each YT, 1 B, and one Z, and have 0 of the others. The only multiple ships I do have are 3 ties and 2 X's because they were all you could get when I got them, and 3 tie interceptors because I got bored with regular ties and the aces were one of the few expansions available to me at the time. I have no after market templates but do consider getting them because I see some value there they wouldn't look as ragged as the cardboard ones do after a while and it would be easier for me to keep track of them when playing with others. Aftermarket tokens I have no use for since I have enough FFG ones I can pitch them if they get to raggity.

Not really what you were looking for was it?

I have a question for you now. Should I or anyone else who isn't a normal tournament player but wants to give it a try be excluded from tournaments because we just happen to have bought the wrong starter? Is the primary purpose of these events be to draw players into the game by being as inclusive as possible? Now before you answer refer to https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/9/16/there-has-been-an-awakening/ about 4 paragraphs in.

As a new player I find your attitude elitist and insulting. I have been playing for about 6 weeks and started on a bit of a whim, as a result I was unaware that a new core set was incoming (personally as an OT fan I'm less than interested in the ships from the new core anyway). I bought 2 Cores and vader and a Y as well as most wanted, recently I added wave 7 minus the conjoined bomber and the raider. Having spent recent months hobby budget on core sets already I'm incredibly reluctant to shell out for another.

I enjoy playing competitively but I also like to play with friends who use my ships, in order to continue competitive play I will have to stop acquiring ships that I want in my collection that will see actual play in order to acquire a pretty box a damage deck and a handful of upgrade cards. The rest of the contents might as well be space dust for all the use they are to me. What possible harm could be caused by FFG selling a damage deck separately to go alongside the dice packs they already sell?

When you see someone buying their second copy of the new core, ambush them and steal the damage deck. Or offer to buy it for a few bucks, that seems less likely to end in an arrest. If I was planning on picking up a second I'd be willing to part with my spare, but as it stands I'm going to wait and see what upgrade cards are in the packs.

I'll look out for someone with a spare I guess.

Ebay good sir. I found a few on there already. Or as I posted in an earlier thread you could buy the new core (provided you have the cash to spare for the moment) and sell off all the stuff you dont want (ie everything but the deck) and get the deck for something like $10 - $11.

Thats your best bet for finding a lone deck at the moment. Sorry to hear this hit you right as you started...

Cheapest I found was $13 earlier but that's still an expansion you want you have to forgone to get the cards.

A new damage deck should of come with a new edition honestly not a core set aimed at cashing in on a new movie.

I thought around 8 quid + £1 ish postage would be about right - what do you reckon Hobo?

To enter a tournament you're spending $5-10 on entry fees, buying food/beverages, and spending the gas to get there and time out of your day. What's the total dollar value on all of that? It seems like skipping two tournaments either between now and Jan 1, or the first two there after will have saved you more than enough to buy the new core set.

If you decide to buy just the damage deck online, you've paid for it after skipping just one event.

If you're dead set on playing in tournaments, suck it up and buy the new core. If the only thing you want from the box is the deck, I'm sure there's someone at the tournament that would buy the upgrade cards from the set, if not the ships and asteroids.

I'll look out for someone with a spare I guess.

I'm seriously considering buying 5 or 6 core sets, splitting them into the various components and selling them on eBay.

Of course I'll no doubt get flamed for 'profiteering' by the people who refuse to buy a new core set

HOW DARE YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF POOR PEOPLES!!!

IF you wuz a real Star Brother you would give them components away to helps outs...

I was expecting a flaming from the haterz - but not from The Joe Boss

Besides

I have already given away a bunch of spare pilot cards, some spare assorted upgrades, a TIE Adv fix and various other odds and ends that I have a surplus of.

And a whole core set minus dice and minis

But a boy's gotta make a crust

As a new player I find your attitude elitist and insulting. I have been playing for about 6 weeks and started on a bit of a whim, as a result I was unaware that a new core set was incoming (personally as an OT fan I'm less than interested in the ships from the new core anyway). I bought 2 Cores and vader and a Y as well as most wanted, recently I added wave 7 minus the conjoined bomber and the raider. Having spent recent months hobby budget on core sets already I'm incredibly reluctant to shell out for another.

I enjoy playing competitively but I also like to play with friends who use my ships, in order to continue competitive play I will have to stop acquiring ships that I want in my collection that will see actual play in order to acquire a pretty box a damage deck and a handful of upgrade cards. The rest of the contents might as well be space dust for all the use they are to me. What possible harm could be caused by FFG selling a damage deck separately to go alongside the dice packs they already sell?

When you see someone buying their second copy of the new core, ambush them and steal the damage deck. Or offer to buy it for a few bucks, that seems less likely to end in an arrest. If I was planning on picking up a second I'd be willing to part with my spare, but as it stands I'm going to wait and see what upgrade cards are in the packs.

I'll look out for someone with a spare I guess.

Ebay good sir. I found a few on there already. Or as I posted in an earlier thread you could buy the new core (provided you have the cash to spare for the moment) and sell off all the stuff you dont want (ie everything but the deck) and get the deck for something like $10 - $11.

Thats your best bet for finding a lone deck at the moment. Sorry to hear this hit you right as you started...

Cheapest I found was $13 earlier but that's still an expansion you want you have to forgone to get the cards.

A new damage deck should of come with a new edition honestly not a core set aimed at cashing in on a new movie.

I though 8 quid + £1 ish postage would be about right - what do you reckon Hobo?

If you're UK based Funkleton let me sign up to be your first customer, I'm happy to pay that price.

Threads with this attitude really don't help you know. Like, not everyone of us have that much disposable cash to spend on this game, so this whole elitist attitude where people who have concerns about certain things are ruining the game and such is likely just going to drive people away. This forum can be quite hostile and that's not helping your hobby, which really conflicts with the attitude of "just wanting people to play the game".

And yes, the damage deck isn't mandatory, I know, but it's an update to a core component, which isn't really the same as an upgrade card for an individual ship.

@Joe; I haven't really seen much hate coming from the people not wanting to buy a coreset for the damage deck, I've seen plenty of hostility and arrogance coming from people on the other side as well. For someone who claims to be all about enjoying the game you sure can be a condescending jerk.

In his defense this forum really isnt hostile and while some of us have been jerks most of these anti core set have come off as ranty and self centered especially as the conversation has worn on. Every time something exciting gets released in an expensive pack we tend to hear about how FFG is "gouging" the customer and is somehow "bad" or "immoral" for running their business and making decisions in a way that most positively affects their bottom line. Best example of this was the battle over weather or not the X1 should have come with the Raider. The Pro side stated several reasons why it was a good idea (boost epic sales primarily plus sell more TIE/adv models) and how people would be able to find copies on the secondary market (which you still can easily...I checked yesterday as I plan of offload one or two copies myself). The con side pretty much came down to "I dont want to buy an epic ship cause I dont play epic but I should get this anyway" and after the secondary market we got the predictable high horse "moral answer" of "Well I want to support FFG or my FLGS or whomever I can without buying an epic ship." I still hear people complain about 3PO and how he was released (though I dont think they realized just how powerful that card was when they released it.)

I know I see the people who post many of these "whiner" threads as overly entitled consumers who cant put themselves in anybodys position but their own. They come onto these forums to voice their side but never seem to make a convincing argument. It always comes down to "I am not getting EXACTLY what I want so you all get to hear me cry about it." And then they get all defensive when those of us who disagree start coming at them with the same type of attitude that they themselves initiated. The way one should come at these types of arguments is as Hobo did. He was calm, rational, and his language doesnt scream "I am entitled!" the way so many of these other threads do. Hell if you come to the forum and tackle to problem as he did you might very well find someone who might help you and sell/give you a deck or whatever you are looking for. Most of us are pretty cool here...but you get what you give.

If you are newer here dont worry...this time will pass and this forum will be back to its jolly self soon enough. So dont go anywhere the storm will pass.

So the question(s) I have that I would seriously like those of you in that crowd to answer:

How many YTs or Firesprays or B-wings or Interceptors or Aggressors or Z-95s etc...do you own? How many bought a CR-90, possibly just for 3PO? How many have bought 3rd party templates/tokens?

The very real answer to that is "some of them".

For those that have, your argument is valid. For those that haven't, you're just being a ****-head.

I'm seriously considering buying 5 or 6 core sets, splitting them into the various components and selling them on eBay.

Of course I'll no doubt get flamed for 'profiteering' by the people who refuse to buy a new core set

Depends what you charge. If your price is fair, you shouldn't see any complaints.

If you're one of those people that charges $15 for Autothrusters when they come two to a $15 ship, well...eat a ****.

I'll look out for someone with a spare I guess.

I'm seriously considering buying 5 or 6 core sets, splitting them into the various components and selling them on eBay.

Of course I'll no doubt get flamed for 'profiteering' by the people who refuse to buy a new core set

HOW DARE YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF POOR PEOPLES!!!

IF you wuz a real Star Brother you would give them components away to helps outs...

I have already given away a bunch of spare pilot cards, some spare assorted upgrades, a TIE Adv fix and various other odds and ends that I have a surplus of.

And a whole core set minus dice and minis

But a boy's gotta make a crust

I'll be damned if I give away anything... I am GREEDY with my toys!

Share sure... give... HEL-NAH!

As a new player I find your attitude elitist and insulting. I have been playing for about 6 weeks and started on a bit of a whim, as a result I was unaware that a new core set was incoming (personally as an OT fan I'm less than interested in the ships from the new core anyway). I bought 2 Cores and vader and a Y as well as most wanted, recently I added wave 7 minus the conjoined bomber and the raider. Having spent recent months hobby budget on core sets already I'm incredibly reluctant to shell out for another.

I enjoy playing competitively but I also like to play with friends who use my ships, in order to continue competitive play I will have to stop acquiring ships that I want in my collection that will see actual play in order to acquire a pretty box a damage deck and a handful of upgrade cards. The rest of the contents might as well be space dust for all the use they are to me. What possible harm could be caused by FFG selling a damage deck separately to go alongside the dice packs they already sell?

When you see someone buying their second copy of the new core, ambush them and steal the damage deck. Or offer to buy it for a few bucks, that seems less likely to end in an arrest. If I was planning on picking up a second I'd be willing to part with my spare, but as it stands I'm going to wait and see what upgrade cards are in the packs.

I'll look out for someone with a spare I guess.

Ebay good sir. I found a few on there already. Or as I posted in an earlier thread you could buy the new core (provided you have the cash to spare for the moment) and sell off all the stuff you dont want (ie everything but the deck) and get the deck for something like $10 - $11.

Thats your best bet for finding a lone deck at the moment. Sorry to hear this hit you right as you started...

Cheapest I found was $13 earlier but that's still an expansion you want you have to forgone to get the cards.

A new damage deck should of come with a new edition honestly not a core set aimed at cashing in on a new movie.

I though 8 quid + £1 ish postage would be about right - what do you reckon Hobo?

If you're UK based Funkleton let me sign up to be your first customer, I'm happy to pay that price.

I just PMed you the listing I found yesterday...that guy was in the UK.

Threads with this attitude really don't help you know. Like, not everyone of us have that much disposable cash to spend on this game, so this whole elitist attitude where people who have concerns about certain things are ruining the game and such is likely just going to drive people away. This forum can be quite hostile and that's not helping your hobby, which really conflicts with the attitude of "just wanting people to play the game".

And yes, the damage deck isn't mandatory, I know, but it's an update to a core component, which isn't really the same as an upgrade card for an individual ship.

@Joe; I haven't really seen much hate coming from the people not wanting to buy a coreset for the damage deck, I've seen plenty of hostility and arrogance coming from people on the other side as well. For someone who claims to be all about enjoying the game you sure can be a condescending jerk.

In his defense this forum really isnt hostile and while some of us have been jerks most of these anti core set have come off as ranty and self centered especially as the conversation has worn on. Every time something exciting gets released in an expensive pack we tend to hear about how FFG is "gouging" the customer and is somehow "bad" or "immoral" for running their business and making decisions in a way that most positively affects their bottom line. Best example of this was the battle over weather or not the X1 should have come with the Raider. The Pro side stated several reasons why it was a good idea (boost epic sales primarily plus sell more TIE/adv models) and how people would be able to find copies on the secondary market (which you still can easily...I checked yesterday as I plan of offload one or two copies myself). The con side pretty much came down to "I dont want to buy an epic ship cause I dont play epic but I should get this anyway" and after the secondary market we got the predictable high horse "moral answer" of "Well I want to support FFG or my FLGS or whomever I can without buying an epic ship." I still hear people complain about 3PO and how he was released (though I dont think they realized just how powerful that card was when they released it.)

I know I see the people who post many of these "whiner" threads as overly entitled consumers who cant put themselves in anybodys position but their own. They come onto these forums to voice their side but never seem to make a convincing argument. It always comes down to "I am not getting EXACTLY what I want so you all get to hear me cry about it." And then they get all defensive when those of us who disagree start coming at them with the same type of attitude that they themselves initiated. The way one should come at these types of arguments is as Hobo did. He was calm, rational, and his language doesnt scream "I am entitled!" the way so many of these other threads do. Hell if you come to the forum and tackle to problem as he did you might very well find someone who might help you and sell/give you a deck or whatever you are looking for. Most of us are pretty cool here...but you get what you give.

If you are newer here dont worry...this time will pass and this forum will be back to its jolly self soon enough. So dont go anywhere the storm will pass.

YUP... in my little world grown-ass-men can take care of themselves thus spending a little $$$ on toys that add to our happy-joy is not some traumatic experience for us.

But we might be considered elitist condescending jerks if we dare to spend $100 a month or so...

As a new player I find your attitude elitist and insulting. I have been playing for about 6 weeks and started on a bit of a whim, as a result I was unaware that a new core set was incoming (personally as an OT fan I'm less than interested in the ships from the new core anyway). I bought 2 Cores and vader and a Y as well as most wanted, recently I added wave 7 minus the conjoined bomber and the raider. Having spent recent months hobby budget on core sets already I'm incredibly reluctant to shell out for another.

I enjoy playing competitively but I also like to play with friends who use my ships, in order to continue competitive play I will have to stop acquiring ships that I want in my collection that will see actual play in order to acquire a pretty box a damage deck and a handful of upgrade cards. The rest of the contents might as well be space dust for all the use they are to me. What possible harm could be caused by FFG selling a damage deck separately to go alongside the dice packs they already sell?

When you see someone buying their second copy of the new core, ambush them and steal the damage deck. Or offer to buy it for a few bucks, that seems less likely to end in an arrest. If I was planning on picking up a second I'd be willing to part with my spare, but as it stands I'm going to wait and see what upgrade cards are in the packs.

I'll look out for someone with a spare I guess.

Ebay good sir. I found a few on there already. Or as I posted in an earlier thread you could buy the new core (provided you have the cash to spare for the moment) and sell off all the stuff you dont want (ie everything but the deck) and get the deck for something like $10 - $11.

Thats your best bet for finding a lone deck at the moment. Sorry to hear this hit you right as you started...

Cheapest I found was $13 earlier but that's still an expansion you want you have to forgone to get the cards.

A new damage deck should of come with a new edition honestly not a core set aimed at cashing in on a new movie.

I though 8 quid + £1 ish postage would be about right - what do you reckon Hobo?

I don't think that unreasonable, careful you don't get ripped off on postage though royal mail prices have gone up on parcels.

But we might be considered elitist condescending jerks if we dare to spend $100 a month or so...

Like a few others, I think a lot of the griping about the new core set is misguided and overblown. But I sympathise with the frustration of having to choose between a new ship and a new damage deck, and shaming people for not having the disposable income to buy everything they might want is a **** move.

No-one has said that people who can spend / do spend lots of money on this game are jerks or elitists or whatever.

Threads with this attitude really don't help you know. Like, not everyone of us have that much disposable cash to spend on this game, so this whole elitist attitude where people who have concerns about certain things are ruining the game and such is likely just going to drive people away. This forum can be quite hostile and that's not helping your hobby, which really conflicts with the attitude of "just wanting people to play the game".

And yes, the damage deck isn't mandatory, I know, but it's an update to a core component, which isn't really the same as an upgrade card for an individual ship.

@Joe; I haven't really seen much hate coming from the people not wanting to buy a coreset for the damage deck, I've seen plenty of hostility and arrogance coming from people on the other side as well. For someone who claims to be all about enjoying the game you sure can be a condescending jerk.

In his defense this forum really isnt hostile and while some of us have been jerks most of these anti core set have come off as ranty and self centered especially as the conversation has worn on. Every time something exciting gets released in an expensive pack we tend to hear about how FFG is "gouging" the customer and is somehow "bad" or "immoral" for running their business and making decisions in a way that most positively affects their bottom line. Best example of this was the battle over weather or not the X1 should have come with the Raider. The Pro side stated several reasons why it was a good idea (boost epic sales primarily plus sell more TIE/adv models) and how people would be able to find copies on the secondary market (which you still can easily...I checked yesterday as I plan of offload one or two copies myself). The con side pretty much came down to "I dont want to buy an epic ship cause I dont play epic but I should get this anyway" and after the secondary market we got the predictable high horse "moral answer" of "Well I want to support FFG or my FLGS or whomever I can without buying an epic ship." I still hear people complain about 3PO and how he was released (though I dont think they realized just how powerful that card was when they released it.)

I know I see the people who post many of these "whiner" threads as overly entitled consumers who cant put themselves in anybodys position but their own. They come onto these forums to voice their side but never seem to make a convincing argument. It always comes down to "I am not getting EXACTLY what I want so you all get to hear me cry about it." And then they get all defensive when those of us who disagree start coming at them with the same type of attitude that they themselves initiated. The way one should come at these types of arguments is as Hobo did. He was calm, rational, and his language doesnt scream "I am entitled!" the way so many of these other threads do. Hell if you come to the forum and tackle to problem as he did you might very well find someone who might help you and sell/give you a deck or whatever you are looking for. Most of us are pretty cool here...but you get what you give.

If you are newer here dont worry...this time will pass and this forum will be back to its jolly self soon enough. So dont go anywhere the storm will pass.

YUP... in my little world grown-ass-men can take care of themselves thus spending a little $$$ on toys that add to our happy-joy is not some traumatic experience for us.

But we might be considered elitist condescending jerks if we dare to spend $100 a month or so...

Joe mate it's not spending your money that makes you an elitist condescending jerk! It's the fact that you belittle others with less disposable income, that makes you appear a jerk.

Threads with this attitude really don't help you know. Like, not everyone of us have that much disposable cash to spend on this game, so this whole elitist attitude where people who have concerns about certain things are ruining the game and such is likely just going to drive people away. This forum can be quite hostile and that's not helping your hobby, which really conflicts with the attitude of "just wanting people to play the game".

And yes, the damage deck isn't mandatory, I know, but it's an update to a core component, which isn't really the same as an upgrade card for an individual ship.

@Joe; I haven't really seen much hate coming from the people not wanting to buy a coreset for the damage deck, I've seen plenty of hostility and arrogance coming from people on the other side as well. For someone who claims to be all about enjoying the game you sure can be a condescending jerk.

In his defense this forum really isnt hostile and while some of us have been jerks most of these anti core set have come off as ranty and self centered especially as the conversation has worn on. Every time something exciting gets released in an expensive pack we tend to hear about how FFG is "gouging" the customer and is somehow "bad" or "immoral" for running their business and making decisions in a way that most positively affects their bottom line. Best example of this was the battle over weather or not the X1 should have come with the Raider. The Pro side stated several reasons why it was a good idea (boost epic sales primarily plus sell more TIE/adv models) and how people would be able to find copies on the secondary market (which you still can easily...I checked yesterday as I plan of offload one or two copies myself). The con side pretty much came down to "I dont want to buy an epic ship cause I dont play epic but I should get this anyway" and after the secondary market we got the predictable high horse "moral answer" of "Well I want to support FFG or my FLGS or whomever I can without buying an epic ship." I still hear people complain about 3PO and how he was released (though I dont think they realized just how powerful that card was when they released it.)

I know I see the people who post many of these "whiner" threads as overly entitled consumers who cant put themselves in anybodys position but their own. They come onto these forums to voice their side but never seem to make a convincing argument. It always comes down to "I am not getting EXACTLY what I want so you all get to hear me cry about it." And then they get all defensive when those of us who disagree start coming at them with the same type of attitude that they themselves initiated. The way one should come at these types of arguments is as Hobo did. He was calm, rational, and his language doesnt scream "I am entitled!" the way so many of these other threads do. Hell if you come to the forum and tackle to problem as he did you might very well find someone who might help you and sell/give you a deck or whatever you are looking for. Most of us are pretty cool here...but you get what you give.

If you are newer here dont worry...this time will pass and this forum will be back to its jolly self soon enough. So dont go anywhere the storm will pass.

YUP... in my little world grown-ass-men can take care of themselves thus spending a little $$$ on toys that add to our happy-joy is not some traumatic experience for us.

But we might be considered elitist condescending jerks if we dare to spend $100 a month or so...

Joe mate it's not spending your money that makes you an elitist condescending jerk! It's the fact that you belittle others with less disposable income, that makes you appear a jerk.

Kinda been a rough week or so here. I do not like seeing all of this hate aimed at FFG. You seem like a cool guy so do not take my post personally Brah.

Ffg can handle themselves...

Joe boss , you need to dial it down man. You're not coming off well in this thread. Maybe take a break from the forums.