4 Storm Squadrons w/Accuracy Correct + Cluster Missiles would be interesting to see how it plays out.

By the time they got into range. One of the 4 would be dead

With a 5 straight or even 3 bank it isn't that hard to go from out of range to range 2, you just need to control your approach and use obstacles to your advantage.

The true problem is not being able to take 4 Storms with AC + Cluster because Storms are 23 points... You can take two though!

I agree. But the sheer amount of hits they put out, is just awesome. Plus when a good player sees you doing a fiv straight he will send one of his Y-w as a soakoff up to block and keep you at range 3, It will still shot primary at range 1 with 3 dice. You will still be shot 6 times a turn. And unless you bump your close guy will take 3 dice.

They have a lot of hull and shields, your two hits will take a while to burn through it. Plus a 3 hard between your formation can cause lots of bumps. Could work, but unlikely

Well at the NOVA open, I think 8 of the top 16 had TLT's. Not sure but I would have thought a list so easy to counter would have not even made it that far. Or for that matter win the Tourney.

There's a difference between having a TLT and being a TLT spam list. Do you mean that half of the top sixteen were spam lists, or that they simply included one or more TLTs?

If the information on List juggler about the Nova Open is correct, then only 4 of the top 16 lists had TLT in them. None of them had more than 2 ships with TLT, so I wouldn't count any of them as TLT-spam lists.

Well at the NOVA open, I think 8 of the top 16 had TLT's. Not sure but I would have thought a list so easy to counter would have not even made it that far. Or for that matter win the Tourney.

There's a difference between having a TLT and being a TLT spam list. Do you mean that half of the top sixteen were spam lists, or that they simply included one or more TLTs?

If the information on List juggler about the Nova Open is correct, then only 4 of the top 16 lists had TLT in them. None of them had more than 2 ships with TLT, so I wouldn't count any of them as TLT-spam lists.

I didn't check it, but I can tell you two of my friends were there, in 4 of their games they faced lists with TLT's, so maybe the spam TLT was there, but alot of TLT's were. The best players choose the best weapons. Were most of the 2 TLT lists BTL's?

argh this thing is a pain to navigate

I am seeing more Whispers than TLTs, though

are we in Wave 5 again ?

I agree. But the sheer amount of hits they put out, is just awesome. Plus when a good player sees you doing a fiv straight he will send one of his Y-w as a soakoff up to block and keep you at range 3, It will still shot primary at range 1 with 3 dice. You will still be shot 6 times a turn. And unless you bump your close guy will take 3 dice.

They have a lot of hull and shields, your two hits will take a while to burn through it. Plus a 3 hard between your formation can cause lots of bumps. Could work, but unlikely

The Storms would be able to handle a range 2 exchange. Might kill a Storm. A Y will die from 2-3 Cluster Missiles. And that is a very good exchange, since the Storms are able to go defensive with their tokens afterwards.

Well at the NOVA open, I think 8 of the top 16 had TLT's. Not sure but I would have thought a list so easy to counter would have not even made it that far. Or for that matter win the Tourney.

There's a difference between having a TLT and being a TLT spam list. Do you mean that half of the top sixteen were spam lists, or that they simply included one or more TLTs?

If the information on List juggler about the Nova Open is correct, then only 4 of the top 16 lists had TLT in them. None of them had more than 2 ships with TLT, so I wouldn't count any of them as TLT-spam lists.

I didn't check it, but I can tell you two of my friends were there, in 4 of their games they faced lists with TLT's, so maybe the spam TLT was there, but alot of TLT's were. The best players choose the best weapons. Were most of the 2 TLT lists BTL's?

And most of the best players at that tournament chose something else. And none chose the 4 Y-wing option. No one is denying that TLTs weren't used.

4 thugs with unhinged astromech and TLT win the final.

Turret wing...

Dice rolling: The Game

You know you say this, but TLTs are far more vulnerable to being outflown than fat turrets ever were.

so if I'm getting this right, the Nova Open:

the highest tournament score and swiss rank player ran Whisper and Oicuun

then it's IGs

then it's Whisper and Kenkirk

then it's Whisper and Chiraneau

then it's Whisper w/Vader & the palpmobile

then it's freaking X-wings and Corran Horn

then, 7th in swiss with 23 touranments, is 1 TLT (miranda) and Han

...is that what we're scared of?

I feel like I'm misunderstanding something because, without the IGs, it looks like we traveled back in time

so if I'm getting this right, the Virginia Nationals:

the highest tournament score and swiss rank player ran Whisper and Oicuun

then it's IGs

then it's Whisper and Kenkirk

then it's Whisper and Chiraneau

then it's Whisper w/Vader & the palpmobile

then it's freaking X-wings and Corran Horn

then, 7th in swiss with 23 touranments, is 1 TLT (miranda) and Han

...is that what we're scared of?

yeah ****** that up there

edited to nova open

I love that you call it the VA nationals. But yes, NOVA open had a few 4Y TLT lists, but they got eaten up by all the Whispers and IGs that were there. The eventual winner of the elim rounds snuck in at 16th place!

I'm surprised Whisper survived with those 4 green dice

well, I'd be surprised if mine did. Normally, sitting on four agi with some focus is enough to tank some shots when you factor in her insane positioning and damage output

no jammies, though, so I guess that counter's busted

Soontir, Tetran and Turr. All with RGT, PTL, AT, and SD.

*hand clap* Problem solved.

As someone who has been playing Y-Wings since before S&V released, I absolutely love that the Y's are not only viable, but fear (and/or hate) inducing.

Since the release of S&V I've flown the Thugs most of the time. I will say this, there are certainly lists that I hate to see, (I've not flown 4 TLT's, but have flown 4 ICT with BTL-A4 many many times and more recently 2 TLTs + 2 ICT's) so there are counters to the Y's. The panic is not at all necessary.

So like so many have said, find a way to beat them and get on with your X-Wing life!

Tlt is no where near as strong as pwt. And the meta has finally moved after 2 years from wave 3.5 to wave 7.5 away from fat turrets. This a good thing and right now no one really knows how the Mets will shape out except to say tlt is a good list. If 50% of all the lists in a finals are tlt with only tlt lists winning nearly every time then I'd say tlt may be just as bad as pwt were however I don't expect that to happen or be anywhere close to how bad pwt were.

so if I'm getting this right, the Nova Open:

the highest tournament score and swiss rank player ran Whisper and Oicuun

then it's IGs

then it's Whisper and Kenkirk

then it's Whisper and Chiraneau

then it's Whisper w/Vader & the palpmobile

then it's freaking X-wings and Corran Horn

then, 7th in swiss with 23 touranments, is 1 TLT (miranda) and Han

...is that what we're scared of?

I feel like I'm misunderstanding something because, without the IGs, it looks like we traveled back in time

Not just any X-wings. Wedge and a RED Squadron. The Red alone is just amazingly surprising.

I'm surprised Whisper survived with those 4 green dice

Palpatine.

do you think Palpy zaps uncooperative green dice until they evade out of pain?

that's what I'd do if I were him...

If only someone had the foresight to put up a thread weeks ago about how you can fight back against TLTs.

(I'm on my phone, so it's a pain to hunt up and post a link, but if someone else would oblige...?)

If only someone had the foresight to put up a thread weeks ago about how you can fight back against TLTs.

(I'm on my phone, so it's a pain to hunt up and post a link, but if someone else would oblige...?)

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/185879-twin-laser-turrets-why-theyre-scary-and-how-you-can-fight-back/#entry1749231

Wow, my first popular post! I'd like to thank:

any2cards, JESIV, phild0, category, Stonegeneral, Kyrios Mirage, pickirk01, Spider, willmanx, Silver leader, SpikeSpiegel, FlyingAnchors, Dagonet, LagJanson, HueyNewton, Marvingardns, FuturistiKen, Moneyinvolved, Rodafowa, PhantomFO, Stelar 7, MegaSilver, ForceM, EdgeOfDreams, Red G, Babaganoosh, DagobahDave, Vykk Draygo, mtrein, Rydiak, Tipperary, Toqtamish, and Baaa

Stay awesome, guys. Btw, here's better content for the first post of a "Thug Y-Wings Win Spanish National Championship" thread:

So a squad of 4 Y-wings with Twin Laser Turrets just won Spanish Nationals. That's two nationals wins (including Poland). Clearly TLT's are a thing now. So what can we do to stop them? What tools does everyone have in their X-Wing toolboxes to stop the TLT menace before it starts?

Fly casual! *starts walking off the stage with his Emmy*

*runs back to the mic*

Oh, and I'd like to thank TLT's everywhere!!

argh this thing is a pain to navigate

I am seeing more Whispers than TLTs, though

are we in Wave 5 again ?

I'm seeing more phantoms to, I think that people are finally willing to take them now with the points scoring system for Turrets, that and phantoms are fun to fly.

argh this thing is a pain to navigate

I am seeing more Whispers than TLTs, though

are we in Wave 5 again ?

I'm seeing more phantoms to, I think that people are finally willing to take them now with the points scoring system for Turrets, that and phantoms are fun to fly.

Also, as you say, the post-nerf phantom is fun to fly. My favorite list of late was a Phantom, Interceptor, and two Ties.

argh this thing is a pain to navigate

I am seeing more Whispers than TLTs, though

are we in Wave 5 again ?

I'm seeing more phantoms to, I think that people are finally willing to take them now with the points scoring system for Turrets, that and phantoms are fun to fly.

or the HLCs they got stapled to their fronts

it is a tiny bit of a problem because people might be realizing how Whisper's ability and ACD still dodges a lot of the banes of the traditional arc dodger.

*getting blocked

*obstructions (minus debris, stress still sucks for whisper)

*conner nets (ouch)

The errata didn't change that at all

TLTs have a bad rap already (which is probably deserved), but in a strange way I think we might start seeing less of them. At a tournament I went to today, I believe nobody brought 4 -- mainly because nobody wanted to be "that guy" lol. It's the "I'm a ******" card of X-Wing.

Sure, I saw a couple of them in a few lists, but not FOUR. And the thing is, while the thug list is a very potent list against many of the stronger builds out there, it does have some major weaknesses like the doughnut hole as well as crumbling against swarms most of the time.

So I think it's kind of a fad/gimmicky build in the long run. If you plop it down against someone who is caught off-guard and isn't prepared for it, sure, you'll likely pull out the win. However, against someone who has gone up against 4 thugs before and has planned accordingly, then your chance of winning drops significantly.

Plus let's remember one thing: we play this game to have FUN. And frankly, autopilot lists like the 4 thug list is in no way fun for either player. Does that mean it does or doesn't need a nerfing? I don't know, only time will tell. But if anything, I think having two unique dots (meaning you can have two per squad) could potentially work.

I do like how most winning lists become "auto pilot" squads.