1 Shotting X-Wings With 3 Hits - Easier Than Ever! Thanks FFG!

By howieloader, in X-Wing

@OP (cus I skipped the preceding three pages of replies, sry sry not rly sry):

Your argument is based solely on the fact that the Major Explosion exists in the new damage deck. That card affects all ships. It is now easier to one-shot A-Wings, TIE Phantoms, TIE/x1's, TIE/ln's, TIE/fo's, B-Wings, and ANYTHING ELSE with three or fewer Hull.

In fact, it's actually HARDER* to one-shot the X-Wing than any of those other ships because of Integrated Astro, with which it would be impossible to one-shot Wedge in the scenario you devised. Major Explosion therefore makes the X-Wing MORE powerful than it was before in comparison to the aforementioned ships. Thus, the only way your argument works is if you ignore the X-Wing fix, in which case it essentially boils down to "the pre-Wave 8 X-Wing is underpowered," and that's not exactly breaking news.

*Assuming a situation like the one raised in the OP, in which the attacker gets the required 1 crit through shields.

:huh:

Yeah i would be the first to admit that T-65 X-Wings are underwhelming, possibly even after integrated astromech, but this here has nothing to do with the X-Wing, not even remotely.

Oh well that's fine. I was worried it might be a MILLION-to-one shot. Because everybody knows those happen nine times out of ten.

Let's see...

3 unfocused ATK vs. 2 focused AGI at R3:

[hit/crit], [hit/crit], [crit] = 4/8 * 4/8 * 1/8 = 1/32 (3.125%)

vs.

[blank], [blank], [blank] = 3/8 * 3/8 * 3/8 = 27/512 (5.27%)

Major Explosion into Direct Hit:

2/33 * 3/8 * 7/32 = 7/1408 (0.497%)

Unfortunately, that's only 189/23068672, or approximately 1 in 122056, so it's not quite improbable enough to be narratively inevitable. Sorry.

Oh well that's fine. I was worried it might be a MILLION-to-one shot. Because everybody knows those happen nine times out of ten.

Let's see...

3 unfocused ATK vs. 2 focused AGI at R3:

[hit/crit], [hit/crit], [crit] = 4/8 * 4/8 * 1/8 = 1/32 (3.125%)

vs.

[blank], [blank], [blank] = 3/8 * 3/8 * 3/8 = 27/512 (5.27%)

Major Explosion into Direct Hit:

2/33 * 3/8 * 7/32 = 7/1408 (0.497%)

Unfortunately, that's only 189/23068672, or approximately 1 in 122056, so it's not quite improbable enough to be narratively inevitable. Sorry.

Flight Instructor?

Maybe if you'd use a HWK primary? Rolling the die while hopping on one leg, blindfolded?

Only if you're also aiming for the X-wing's voonerables.

7 cards in the new damage deck reads:

"If you are piloting a X-Wing, your ship is destroyed."

Only 2 cards are really annoying for X-Wing players:

"If you are piloting a X-Wing, you lose the game."

Yes ... hard times for Rebels have begun with the new damage deck, indeed ... but thats balancing.

Yea I'm not a fan of major explosion. There shouldn't be a way to get 3 damage from just one crit...

You can actually get 4 damage. Major Explosion into a Major Explosion into a Direct Hit.

I like the card, though. The old Minor Explosion was basically 3/8ths of a Direct Hit. You had to roll just going to deal as much damage as another card in the deck. Now, there's still better than 50/50 odds that the explosion will deal as much damage as a regular hit. But if you beat the odds, you'll be rewarded for it.

Even more is technically possible thanks to my buddy Rexlar

Major Exp into Major Exp into Minor Exp into facedown damage. Spend Focus, Each Major Exp pulls up a Direct hit, the Minor does another face down, and the face down from the first Minor turns into a Direct hit. 10 Damage from a single UnMitigated crit

Rough Estimate on the chance of this happening? 3720:1

Edit: If it procc'ed from an Advanced Homing Missile it could Oneshot a Falcon

Edited by Gundog8324

ooh! ooh! Major Explosion --> Major Explosion --> Direct Hit!

one shot a (bro)bot with Blount and AHM! Who needs dice?!?

If the Brobot still has shields, then this won't work. The critical damage from the explosion would be suffered on the shield, preventing further damage.
AHM = advanced homing missile. Deals a face up card if it hits, and Blount always hits.
And, as phantom said, the major explosion will do critical damage, which goes onto the shields, it doesn't deal an additional face up card. So if an AHM hits an aggressor and deals a major explosion, the aggressor ends up with one damage card and looses one shield (assuming the major explosion triggers, of course).

Hmm I had a dumb, I had it in my mind that major explosion just dealt a face up card but that's not true at all.

*ATC Maarek Stele rises from the depths laughing maniacally*

*ATC Maarek Stele rises from the depths laughing maniacally*

Does he get to pick the second crit too? If yes he might really finally be worth it...

*ATC Maarek Stele rises from the depths laughing maniacally*

Does he get to pick the second crit too? If yes he might really finally be worth it...

Yup. He still caused it.

This again buffs Maarek a bit.

Maybe we'll see hin even in competitive lists at some point.

To reiterate what we have learned from this thread; Maarek is the only pilot who can pull this off outside of a one in a million fluke and the X Wing is actually the /only/ ship other than Chewie that can block it reliably. In short the OP has no idea what the hell they are talking about.

GREAT SHOT KID THAT WAS ONE IN A MILLION!

(Slowly throws a blanket on EM Major Rhymer plus 2XAHM)

To reiterate what we have learned from this thread; Maarek is the only pilot who can pull this off outside of a one in a million fluke and the X Wing is actually the /only/ ship other than Chewie that can block it reliably. In short the OP has no idea what the hell they are talking about.

Except for the exact situation I described in the OP, which was excluding the Integrated Astromech card that now becomes auto-include on X-Wings at the cost of useful mods like Engine Upgrade...

To reiterate what we have learned from this thread; Maarek is the only pilot who can pull this off outside of a one in a million fluke and the X Wing is actually the /only/ ship other than Chewie that can block it reliably. In short the OP has no idea what the hell they are talking about.

Except for the exact situation I described in the OP, which was excluding the Integrated Astromech card that now becomes auto-include on X-Wings at the cost of useful mods like Engine Upgrade...

EU is overrated and IA is free for a better effect. If you still want to boost then take R7-T1. X Wings are better then they have been in years and the ridiculous cenario you discribed can only be realistically pulled off by one pilot. Not only is IA a great upgrade but it fits the fluff for the X Wing perfectly.

To reiterate what we have learned from this thread; Maarek is the only pilot who can pull this off outside of a one in a million fluke and the X Wing is actually the /only/ ship other than Chewie that can block it reliably. In short the OP has no idea what the hell they are talking about.

Except for the exact situation I described in the OP, which was excluding the Integrated Astromech card that now becomes auto-include on X-Wings at the cost of useful mods like Engine Upgrade...

EU is overrated and IA is free for a better effect. If you still want to boost then take R7-T1. X Wings are better then they have been in years and the ridiculous cenario you discribed can only be realistically pulled off by one pilot. Not only is IA a great upgrade but it fits the fluff for the X Wing perfectly.

2 hits and a crit get through plenty of times after dice modifications... Sure, you want to run the numbers on unmodified dice, that's fine, it's a long shot... After modifications, especially with new TIE Advanced able to just add a crit, it becomes a little more feasible... Engine upgrade is not overrated for high PS... Dumb statement is dumb from the start... Boosting with R7-T1 is not nearly the same, because you have to have the ship in arc to start with... The only part about the op that is unlikely is a major explosion into a direct hit...

Integrated Astromech is an upgrade, yeah, it's not amazing, but it's just good enough that everyone will use it... I don't love it though...

To reiterate what we have learned from this thread; Maarek is the only pilot who can pull this off outside of a one in a million fluke and the X Wing is actually the /only/ ship other than Chewie that can block it reliably. In short the OP has no idea what the hell they are talking about.

Except for the exact situation I described in the OP, which was excluding the Integrated Astromech card that now becomes auto-include on X-Wings at the cost of useful mods like Engine Upgrade...

EU is overrated and IA is free for a better effect. If you still want to boost then take R7-T1. X Wings are better then they have been in years and the ridiculous cenario you discribed can only be realistically pulled off by one pilot. Not only is IA a great upgrade but it fits the fluff for the X Wing perfectly.

2 hits and a crit get through plenty of times after dice modifications... Sure, you want to run the numbers on unmodified dice, that's fine, it's a long shot... After modifications, especially with new TIE Advanced able to just add a crit, it becomes a little more feasible... Engine upgrade is not overrated for high PS... Dumb statement is dumb from the start... Boosting with R7-T1 is not nearly the same, because you have to have the ship in arc to start with... The only part about the op that is unlikely is a major explosion into a direct hit...

Integrated Astromech is an upgrade, yeah, it's not amazing, but it's just good enough that everyone will use it... I don't love it though...

No the only think necessary for T1 is range two. If that ship has /you/ in its los then you get a free tl but you get the boost regardless.

To reiterate what we have learned from this thread; Maarek is the only pilot who can pull this off outside of a one in a million fluke and the X Wing is actually the /only/ ship other than Chewie that can block it reliably. In short the OP has no idea what the hell they are talking about.

Except for the exact situation I described in the OP, which was excluding the Integrated Astromech card that now becomes auto-include on X-Wings at the cost of useful mods like Engine Upgrade...

EU is overrated and IA is free for a better effect. If you still want to boost then take R7-T1. X Wings are better then they have been in years and the ridiculous cenario you discribed can only be realistically pulled off by one pilot. Not only is IA a great upgrade but it fits the fluff for the X Wing perfectly.

2 hits and a crit get through plenty of times after dice modifications... Sure, you want to run the numbers on unmodified dice, that's fine, it's a long shot... After modifications, especially with new TIE Advanced able to just add a crit, it becomes a little more feasible... Engine upgrade is not overrated for high PS... Dumb statement is dumb from the start... Boosting with R7-T1 is not nearly the same, because you have to have the ship in arc to start with... The only part about the op that is unlikely is a major explosion into a direct hit...

Integrated Astromech is an upgrade, yeah, it's not amazing, but it's just good enough that everyone will use it... I don't love it though...

Sure, but then you have to flip one of the Major Explosions in the deck, roll a hit, and reveal a Direct Hit (or less likely, another Major Explosion followed by a hit roll). This isn't a likely occurrence. At all. Out of all the things that have to happen, the most likely has a 37.5% chance of happening, let alone the less likely ones. And like I said before, anything with two shields or less and three hull could be killed this way so it's not like it somehow singles out the T-65. As I said before, after the crit goes through you still have a chain of card draws and dice rolls that has to go exactly right for this to happen.

So no, Integrated Astromech is not nearly auto-include if you want to have Engine Upgrade. Are you seriously going to let such an unlikely event change the upgrades you use?

Gotta take some risks as a starpilot. Heroes aren't remembered for their avoidance of dangerous situations.