Dice Modifying Rules Contradiction?

By neverwas, in X-Wing Rules Questions

I've tried to search this topic in the forum, but may have used the wrong search terms.

On page 13 of the new core set Rules Reference, under the heading Modifying Dice, it says -- "Add: To add a die result, place an unused die displaying the result next to the rolled dice. A die added in this way is treated as a normal die for all purposes and can be modified and canceled."

But on page 3 of the 9.4.2015 FAQ, under Dice Results, it says -- "Results that are added are treated as dice results that can only be canceled (they cannot be modified or rerolled)."

Do these two rules refer to different kinds of "added results"? One instance in which modification is allowed, and one in which it isn't?

I'm relatively new to this great game, so I apologize if this is an old topic and would ask to be directed to the relevant thread. Thanks very much.

My guess is that the new rules reference changed the way results are added, and the FAQ wording is left over from a previous version. I would submit this as a rules question to the publisher.

Yes, I agree with Sideslip. I could try to say that this die would only be included after all others have been resolved with the corresponding actions. So when the new die was rolled, nothing else was left to do. But this is a shot in the dark, so it's better to ask, cause probably this is probably a mistake...

Yep, should ping ffg on this one. Seems like the FAQ had a bunch of stuff that doesnt quite line up with the core 2 rules. Probably developed at the same time but independently with the ast core 1 faq as the foundation.

Yes, I agree with Sideslip. I could try to say that this die would only be included after all others have been resolved with the corresponding actions. So when the new die was rolled, nothing else was left to do. But this is a shot in the dark, so it's better to ask, cause probably this is probably a mistake...

We are not adding a die to be rolled, we are adding a result. If you are adding e.g., dice to your attack, you would do that before you roll dice. Adding a result (such as a critical result from Advanced Targeting Computer) it must be done during the Modify Attack Dice step of the attack.

This has been the prior FAQs since at least April of this year. And the Rulebook for Core 1.0 didn't specifically address it.

So it's possible they intended to change the rule in the Core 2.0 rules and didn't update the FAQ; or that it was just a mistake.

But on page 3 of the 9.4.2015 FAQ,

A new FAQ came out just a couple days ago. Is this wording still in that FAQ?

But on page 3 of the 9.4.2015 FAQ,

A new FAQ came out just a couple days ago. Is this wording still in that FAQ?

yep.

page 3 "Dice Results"

Yes, I agree with Sideslip. I could try to say that this die would only be included after all others have been resolved with the corresponding actions. So when the new die was rolled, nothing else was left to do. But this is a shot in the dark, so it's better to ask, cause probably this is probably a mistake...

We are not adding a die to be rolled, we are adding a result. If you are adding e.g., dice to your attack, you would do that before you roll dice. Adding a result (such as a critical result from Advanced Targeting Computer) it must be done during the Modify Attack Dice step of the attack.

But with something like Bossk, you only add if it hits, which you wouldnt know until after the dice modify step, so his add wouldn't be during the modify step, but between the modify and deal damage steps.

That FAQ entry was written in reference to the use of tokens and hasn't been re-adressed when newer cards have been introduced that add non-token results. Email FFG for a definitive answer and don't forget to post the reply here.

it is a non issue: at least for now.

the only time you add results is after your opponent has already done his "modify dice" step. So you get the last word. As far as I know you only can add positive rusults e.g. hit, evade. So there will be no need to modify them at any point, they are just added, and the die is simply there to be a visual representative of that.

This will need to be looked at as soon as they add a way to add a blank to your results that you might want to re-roll.

Edited by negative9

Yes, I agree with Sideslip. I could try to say that this die would only be included after all others have been resolved with the corresponding actions. So when the new die was rolled, nothing else was left to do. But this is a shot in the dark, so it's better to ask, cause probably this is probably a mistake...

We are not adding a die to be rolled, we are adding a result. If you are adding e.g., dice to your attack, you would do that before you roll dice. Adding a result (such as a critical result from Advanced Targeting Computer) it must be done during the Modify Attack Dice step of the attack.

But with something like Bossk, you only add if it hits, which you wouldnt know until after the dice modify step, so his add wouldn't be during the modify step, but between the modify and deal damage steps.

Bossk is an exception. His card text tells you to do something outside of the normal sequence.

When you perform an attack that hits, before dealing damage, you may cancel 1 of your critical results to add 2 hit results.