I was playing against a guy on the weekend in a private in store tourney, I noticed that his damage deck was quite thick.

Initially I thought they were plastic protected like mine which brought it up to around about the same thickness, however mid way I noticed that it wasn't the plastic protection he was using he had 2x damage deck in 1 pile.

Question is was I right to call the TO and asked if this was legal after the fact that we started playing?

reason being the guy got really upset/angry and told me I should have said something earlier before the match started but speaking honestly I did not notice at all.

End result I beat the guy and he was sour for the rest of the day ><

That is very much illegal, and you were quite right to call the TO.

As for his attitude afterwards, he shouldn't have mashed the decks together in the first place. Then you wouldn't have needed to call the TO and he wouldn't have been given a reason to act like a child for the rest of the day. Entirely his own fault.

I have played quite a lot of games with a lot of different and interesting people. This was a first for me as well as a first to call a TO for anything.

reason being the guy got really upset/angry and told me I should have said something earlier before the match started but speaking honestly I did not notice at all.

So it's your fault because you didn't notice he was cheating and called him on it early enough? What an utter ****** nozzle. I will never understand why grown adults feel the need to cheat at anything, let alone a game where you push toy spaceships around a mat! Loser in game; likely loser in life.

Don't be scared to involve a TO when something doesn't sound or look right to you. That's what they're there for. If the opponent is playing fairly, then it shouldn't be a problem and the worst you've done is clarified something you were unsure about. Lesson learned. It's not like involving the TO is the same as calling your opponent a cheat! (Unless, he is of course.)

Both the old and new rulebooks state what the Damage Deck should be, and that's 33 cards, no more, no less.

I'm hearing that both decks will be officially used, is this right? I thought that only "The Force Awakens" cards were going to be official come January. Can anyone confirm what the ruling is on the Official Deck come January first?

I'm hearing that both decks will be officially used, is this right? I thought that only "The Force Awakens" cards were going to be official come January. Can anyone confirm what the ruling is on the Official Deck come January first?

They changed their minds about it and have said that either deck is legal for tournament play for the foreseeable future.

Thank you

I don't understand people that get butt hurt when judges are called over or they made a legitimate mistake and it's being kindly pointed out to them.

I did this when I showed up to my first casual game day, with both my decks mixed together. I figured it didn't matter either way (and it kind of doesn't actually) but the rules say otherwise and I didn't get huffy about it.

Just call the TO over on him. If he gives you ****, tell him, "Fly casual, bro." That will surely calm him down lol.

If noticed before the game started you could have called a judge and he could have been handed a loss at that time instead.

To be honest, you kind of are expected to check your opponent's damage deck before the game starts. For simplicity this is often just a cut or some shuffling which you are allowed to do but you may also completely inspect the contents of his deck before shuffling begins to make sure it is correct. Having two decks mixed together should be easily noticeable and is something that is NEVER recommended by anyone.

Mixing two damage decks together completely changes the composition of the deck as play progresses. After the first card is known having multiple decks changes the possibilities for the next card that is revealed.

Someone did that to me a while ago so I asked them to show me where it was ok in the rules before I called a TO and as the guy was looking it up, I jabbed him in the throat and told the TO it was someone else and I thought he had actually been force choked.

I didn't win the tourney, but I also didn't have to call my mum and ask her to come and pick me up early with dry pants, so it was kind of even.

Having never played a tournament I just noticed a rash of "call the TO" threads. While I get there has to be an arbitrator available and at the higher competitive levels it may become necessary but can't most of this be settled between two rational players? Maybe Xwing is more cutthroat than I believe.

Having never played a tournament I just noticed a rash of "call the TO" threads. While I get there has to be an arbitrator available and at the higher competitive levels it may become necessary but can't most of this be settled between two rational players? Maybe Xwing is more cutthroat than I believe.

Yes and no. I've only played on one tourney so far (and a Team Epic one at that), and I only saw one TO call requested in the two nights of that. I did help clarify questions at the next table when both sides were stumped on where to find the correct answer. But when there's bigger prizes/official standings for later tournaments are at stake, having a neutral 3rd party (aka, the TO) make the call is generally a good idea. Prevents (most) hard feelings afterwards.

Having never played a tournament I just noticed a rash of "call the TO" threads. While I get there has to be an arbitrator available and at the higher competitive levels it may become necessary but can't most of this be settled between two rational players? Maybe Xwing is more cutthroat than I believe.

What is the "rational" response to this situation? To me there is really only one proper response and that is a forfeit by the player with the supersize/illegal damage deck. If this is the first round in a tournament perhaps he can be allowed that time to correct his deck before resuming play the next round but if this is a few rounds in and he's been doing it the entire time then disqualification can be called for.

Your "friendly" casual games may be played by different rules but here there is a clear violation of expected game rules and the consequence are impossible to fix in this game and if they've altered others there really is only one course of action.

Having never played a tournament I just noticed a rash of "call the TO" threads. While I get there has to be an arbitrator available and at the higher competitive levels it may become necessary but can't most of this be settled between two rational players? Maybe Xwing is more cutthroat than I believe.

What is the "rational" response to this situation? To me there is really only one proper response and that is a forfeit by the player with the supersize/illegal damage deck. If this is the first round in a tournament perhaps he can be allowed that time to correct his deck before resuming play the next round but if this is a few rounds in and he's been doing it the entire time then disqualification can be called for.

Your "friendly" casual games may be played by different rules but here there is a clear violation of expected game rules and the consequence are impossible to fix in this game and if they've altered others there really is only one course of action.

Fair enough. Again I get the need for a TO if each player is interpreting a rule differently and an official ruling is needed one way or another. Likewise, a maneuver that is hair thin close. Try to work it out with the other player first is all I'm saying. Not always possible but......

I know there is wiggle room for a lot of things but when it comes to having too many cards in a damage deck there isn't much forgiveness that can go around.

Try to work it out with the other player first is all I'm saying. Not always possible but......

I'd say 99.9% of the time people do just that in most every case. In this case the OP wasn't sure if the deck was ok or not, so asked the TO. There were as far as I can see no accusations of cheating or anything else of the like. Just an honest question.

Clearly asking the other person wouldn't give you the correct answer.

I think the biggest problem is that some people seem to consider calling over the TO to be effectively accusing the other guy of cheating. It's not, and shouldn't be treated as such.

Try to work it out with the other player first is all I'm saying. Not always possible but......

I'd say 99.9% of the time people do just that in most every case. In this case the OP wasn't sure if the deck was ok or not, so asked the TO. There were as far as I can see no accusations of cheating or anything else of the like. Just an honest question.

Clearly asking the other person wouldn't give you the correct answer.

I think the biggest problem is that some people seem to consider calling over the TO to be effectively accusing the other guy of cheating. It's not, and shouldn't be treated as such.

If your opponent calls the TO over, and this suddenly makes you feel like you're being accused of cheating, then chances are you might be. If it's to get a clarification, there should be no problem. 90% of the time a TO gets involved in a game, it should simply be for a clarification of the rules.

If you feel your opponent is doing something that doesn't seem right and you can't find a relevant rule, tell him you're going to ask for a clarification from the TO. This is probably the best way to avoid a lengthy debate with your opponent and will help keep the pace of the game moving. If your opponent suddenly gets upset or defensive about it, then maybe there's some substance to your query.

Most players generally shouldn't mind having a TO clarify certain points, but this also relies heavily on having a TO that knows the rules well.