Can you Focus with Vader's Finest with no condition?

By Stormtrooper721, in Star Wars: Imperial Assault

I still think you do have to. OK there's weakened, but if discarding the harmful is optional, they really might as well have not bothered with that part and just made it one action.

And even if the discarding harmful condition IS optional, is it worth two actions if you don't have one?

The ambiguity of this card is going to cause difficulty because at 2 points, this card is expensive and is either rather blah or really good.

It needs to be changed from

"Discard 1 HARMFUL condition and become Focused."

to either

"Discard 1 HARMFUL condition and then become Focused."

or

"Discard 1 HARMFUL condition and/or become Focused."

An official announcement needs to be made soon because this card will see a lot of play very soon and it makes a HUGE difference in how it is going to be played.

The ambiguity of this card is going to cause difficulty because at 2 points, this card is expensive and is either rather blah or really good.

It needs to be changed from

"Discard 1 HARMFUL condition and become Focused."

to either

"Discard 1 HARMFUL condition and then become Focused."

or

"Discard 1 HARMFUL condition and/or become Focused."

An official announcement needs to be made soon because this card will see a lot of play very soon and it makes a HUGE difference in how it is going to be played.

I think what people are expecting is "Discard UP TO one harmful condition and become Focused".

The ambiguity of this card is going to cause difficulty because at 2 points, this card is expensive and is either rather blah or really good.

It needs to be changed from

"Discard 1 HARMFUL condition and become Focused."

to either

"Discard 1 HARMFUL condition and then become Focused."

or

"Discard 1 HARMFUL condition and/or become Focused."

An official announcement needs to be made soon because this card will see a lot of play very soon and it makes a HUGE difference in how it is going to be played.

I think what people are expecting is "Discard UP TO one harmful condition and become Focused".

Well, either way, with Worlds next month and people testing out their lists for Worlds, I desperately hope that this gets clarified very soon.

I'd still say, it would be "then" instead of "and", if this wasn't allowed ...

I tend to agree with you. If the focus was contingent on removing the condition then it would use the word "then".

Given that we can remove non-existent damage I see no reason to assume we can't remove a non-existent condition. I don't think the wording needs to be changed.

Still, it could have been clearer. :)

Wow. I'm surprised that the brand new FAQ didn't address this issue. :huh:

I still think you do have to. OK there's weakened, but if discarding the harmful is optional, they really might as well have not bothered with that part and just made it one action.

Not necessarilly, this is like asking why the DLT-19 hae 2 ~ +1 damage abilities instead of a ~ ~ +2 damage ability. The reason is simple if only 1 surge is rolled the former may still be used, while the latter cannot. And if 2 surges are rolled, then one can still use both ~ + 1 abilities.

Now with Vader's Finest (supposing that one does not need a condition) it will still take his entire activation to trigger the effect. Had the two abilities been separated, one could use 1 action to focus and 1 action to attack, which is not the case.

To those currently at Worlds, how is this card being played? Can you Focus with Vader's Finest even if there is no harmful condition?

And would you want to? Under what circumstances is a focus worth two actions?

And would you want to? Under what circumstances is a focus worth two actions?

In some cases, the very first turn. Suddenly, all my two-dice attacks are now three-dice attacks. I'm thinking of using this strategy this weekend so I was hoping that the issue came up in Worlds and that by now we would have an official answer. It is very much going to change how I play this weekend.

And would you want to? Under what circumstances is a focus worth two actions?

In some cases, the very first turn. Suddenly, all my two-dice attacks are now three-dice attacks. I'm thinking of using this strategy this weekend so I was hoping that the issue came up in Worlds and that by now we would have an official answer. It is very much going to change how I play this weekend.

Yeah, maaaaaaybe, if you plan on playing defensively I suppose. But then, the defensive style is better suited to the Rebels, isn't it? Well, we need an answer anyway.

Did this issue come up at Worlds at all and was there an official ruling?

Still no official ruling on this. How are most people playing this card? Is a Harmful Condition necessary to Focus the Stormtrooper squad?

Is there an official way to submit questions for the FAQ? I had one playing a campaign game from the core set the other day which still isn't in the latest FAQ.

If you're interested the question is related to the mission The Source. It says that the Imperial player can choose to resolve the Order ability of the captured Elite Imperial Officer, but of course an Elite Imperial Officer doesn't have Order, he has Executive Order. So, do we treat this one as, unusually, having Order (which we would have to look up on another card) or is it a mistake and they mean Executive Order?

Also relating to that mission, can the rebels choose to do any number of the three tasks the captured officer can do for them, or just one? My reading is they can choose any or all of them (since otherwise they would specify "choose 1 of" like elsewhere) but they could have avoided any ambiguity by saying "choose any number of the following actions".