Can you use the double action on the Vader's Finest to get the Focus even if you have no bad condition to get rid of?

Difficult to say. If this were X-wing, I'd say yes, because there is a precedent in that game for different elements of cards to be independent of eachother as long as the original trigger activates. Maybe that's unhelpful, but I'd say yes. I would say that the single action one REQUIRES the attack to activate, but the double action one allows you to remove a condition IF you have one and then become focused, even if you didn't have a condition at first.

I'm pretty confident it's fine. If you can't discard a condition from yourself when you don't have one it follows that you can't recover if the amount recovered would be greater than your damage (which I doubt anyone wants to say).

The only thing I can think to compare this to is Jyn's "Opportunist" ability:

After you resolve an attack, if the target suffered 1 or more [Damage], move 1 space.

The FAQ changed this in the errata to say "you may move 1 space".

Using that, I would say that you have to remove a condition to become focused. Is that the best comparison? Probably not, but it's all I've got. Plus, while it may seem like kind of a waste to not allow that, I see it as more of a way to keep the enemy from attacking those units with conditions. It would be more useful on Elites and Heavy troopers since the standard Stormies like to die in a single attack. So it's more utile as a deterrent than to make you focused and remove a condition, in my opinion.

I'm pretty sure the fact that you can recover more stress or damage than you have is a better comparison.

Ib would say yes, because it doesn't not "and THEN..."

I think, there will be a FAQ saying: "Discard up to 1 Harmful ..."

Yeah, you must be able to, though it's not well worded.

Although, aren't all harmful conditions all discarded with one action anyway? So, if the harmful part is optional, this is no different from spending one action to discard the harmful condition as normal and one special action to become focusesd which you'd think they'd have simply phrased as a single action action, making you focused. The fact that they didn't suggest maybe the harmful condition is a prerequisite.

Although, aren't all harmful conditions all discarded with one action anyway?

Weakened isn't.

Although, aren't all harmful conditions all discarded with one action anyway?

Weakened isn't.

And you definitely don't get to focus afterwards. Definitely good, not sure it's 2 points good.

I think both of these should have been great trooper only defense cards, but as an attachment it's

I think it's too expensive.

Although, aren't all harmful conditions all discarded with one action anyway?

Weakened isn't.

Oh yeah!

Gaining movement points after an attack is clutch. It effectively increases their speed to six, and there is no requisite that the attack even be in range (although you could get 4 mp with the same action). This will make storm troopers, esp elites and heavies, much more formidable

Sorry but if this is your whole argument then why don't you just use a normal officer for those 2 points?

Sorry but if this is your whole argument then why don't you just use a normal officer for those 2 points?

Because that would not happen on the troopers activation, and would apply to only one trooper rather than three.....

But you could use him to move another figure if needed and he is an extra body on the field...

I will definitly try this in my Kayn List but I doubt it will replace an officer.

There are a lot of edges to Vader's fist over an officer (of course there are a lot the other way as well)

a) Your opponent can't kill the officer and disrupt you (and they don't get points for Vader's fist)

b) Officers can't focus of remove conditions (without a command card)

c) Since you'll pretty much always use the special attack Vader's fist gives more movement overall.

Someone stated that the rules sheet of bobas pack with the attachment states that the attachment points are scored by your opponent as well. So they have less to kill for the same points.

Okay fair, the officer killing is still a fairly good option though.

Both is also an option, musing on a list:

Kayn: 10

Elite Heavies with Vader's Fist: 10

Elite Stormies: 9

3x officer: 6

Elite Probe Droid: 5

Theoretically this list could work but I think a second set of elite Stormies would be stronger then the Elite Heavys with Vader's Fist as you can play cards like Reinforcement with them and you just have more troopers to use provoke or grenade with.

I'm not compelled by the command card argument. The amount of additional leverage you get from command cards for elites as opposed to elite heavies seems way less than what you get out of focusing the heavies with Kayn or Vader's Fist.

So if you used Vader's Fist to remove bleed, would you take a strain?

So if you used Vader's Fist to remove bleed, would you take a strain?

I'd go with no, after you've resolved the action you're not bleeding any more.

So, the consensus is that you DON'T need to have a harmful condition to use the second part of Vader's Finest and get a Focus?

As a very dedicated Stormtrooper player, I'm going to start using this card in every game I play so I need an a good answer, because if I start Focusing my Stormtroopers who don't have a harmful condition I'm going to need to back up my reading of the card or my opponents are going to be upset.

On the other hand, if I don't use the second part of the card I'm missing out on a possibly very powerful part of this expensive card.

Especially those playing in FFG hosted events, please let me know HOW IS EVERYONE PLAYING THIS CARD?

I'd still say, it would be "then" instead of "and", if this wasn't allowed ...