GUNBOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!GUNBOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nah... I want the Skipray before that XD

Actually, before that can we get a Kihraxz with this model instead?

Sadly too late for the Kihraxz but if they give us the Vaksai or Dunelizard i will literally throw my money at them...

I think out of all the Kihraxz models they picked the lamest one but if still looks great actually!

"Along with two T-65 Prototype title cards for 3 points that updates the dial, upgrade bar, action bar, stats, and 2 T-70 dials. A couple decent astromechs would be most welcome as well."

So... If I'm understanding correctly, you want to pay $30 so you can buy a ship, so you can then turn it into another ship...........

Ya, Gonna go out on a limb here and say the chances of that happening are.... 0%.

The lack of imagination with a title like that would be so astonishing to the point of me losing all faith in FFG. I mean, they would LITERALLY have to be out of good ideas to do something like this. If they still want to revisit the T-65 (which I personally feel they have no need to with the addition of integrated astromech), they will have a much more interesting title which separates it from the T-70. Not a "Make it the T-70! Woo hoo!" title. I mean, while they're at it, why not make a "Make it the E-wing" or "Make it the Z-95" title too? How thrilling.

Also, business wise, what you are suggesting would be a very poor decision. As others have already mentioned, the overall thought process from the consumer would be- "Why not just buy the T-70?", and many would. Or those who already have enough T-70s would pass the purchase all together. What drives the sale of Aces packs is new cards and upgrades, and lets just say a title making a ship into another ship which I can just as easily buy, is not going to drive sales.

I am totally against the idea of giving the T-65 a T-70 dial. It just throws a nice opportunity for differentiation between the two out of the window, it is a waste of potential! I agree that the aces would be better of with some fix in addition to Integrated Astromech, but the generics seem to be in a pretty good spot for now. The dial however should not be the place for adjustments. It is lazy. And boring. It is pretty clear that in this game T-65 != T-70. That is a good thing!

It's not giving, it's an upgrade you're paying points for. The T-65 can still be a cheap option if you are trying to fit points in a list. So if you have 22 points left to fill up you can still have your T-65 with R2 and integrated astromech. You don't have to upgrade, it becomes a choice.

More options and a viable T-65 is a good thing!

More options are not always good, especially when they dilute ship identities. I will continue to disagree with you there.

Which is of course, your prerogative. I just want to make sure the delineation is being made that I'm not asking for all T-65s to automatically become T-70s.

On a personal note, I plan on keeping the eras separate when I play... It eases the dilution concern for me, but point taken.

If you think the histrionics over official game mats (and the decision to make those the only tournament legal mats) were bad

and if you think they got worse when the new damage deck became the only tournament legal damage deck

just wait and see what happens if FFG release official Acryilcs and the inevitable decision to make those the only tournament legal Acrylics gets announced.

It'll be like Alderaan all over again

GUNBOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!GUNBOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nah... I want the Skipray before that XD

Actually, before that can we get a Kihraxz with this model instead?

Sadly too late for the Kihraxz but if they give us the Vaksai or Dunelizard i will literally throw my money at them...

I think out of all the Kihraxz models they picked the lamest one but if still looks great actually!

Especially with the X-wing getting the Integrated Astromech bump, I really feel the Kihraxz falls behind all other jousters in efficiency now. I think there is a possibility, although admittedly slim, that we get an alternative model for the Kihraxz in a future aces pack. Think it would be a smart move by FFG, so don't give up hope just yet!

GUNBOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GUNBOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Along with two T-65 Prototype title cards for 3 points that updates the dial, upgrade bar, action bar, stats, and 2 T-70 dials. A couple decent astromechs would be most welcome as well."

So... If I'm understanding correctly, you want to pay $30 so you can buy a ship, so you can then turn it into another ship...........

Ya, Gonna go out on a limb here and say the chances of that happening are.... 0%.

The lack of imagination with a title like that would be so astonishing to the point of me losing all faith in FFG. I mean, they would LITERALLY have to be out of good ideas to do something like this. If they still want to revisit the T-65 (which I personally feel they have no need to with the addition of integrated astromech), they will have a much more interesting title which separates it from the T-70. Not a "Make it the T-70! Woo hoo!" title. I mean, while they're at it, why not make a "Make it the E-wing" or "Make it the Z-95" title too? How thrilling.

Also, business wise, what you are suggesting would be a very poor decision. As others have already mentioned, the overall thought process from the consumer would be- "Why not just buy the T-70?", and many would. Or those who already have enough T-70s would pass the purchase all together. What drives the sale of Aces packs is new cards and upgrades, and lets just say a title making a ship into another ship which I can just as easily buy, is not going to drive sales.

Nope, you aren't understanding correctly. By the way, please stop punching that poor straw man you've set up, the poor little fella looks plum tuckered out.

What would drive the sale? I really think a lot of folks here don't understand the draw of the OT ships. I bought the S&V packs for the repainted Y-Wings, not to play Scum. I'm not the only one.

Do the FFG custom playmats make a competitive difference? Nope, it's purely aesthetic (and maybe a little too slippery). I bought them.

Will the colored bases shake the meta to it's core? Nope, it's purely aesthetic. I will buy them.

Will what I'm proposing launch a golden era of X-Wing domination? Nope, it's pretty much just aesthetics. It's not my fault that this is such a pretty game.

Why would you want to turn your T65's into T70's? That's just removing diversity for no reason.

"Along with two T-65 Prototype title cards for 3 points that updates the dial, upgrade bar, action bar, stats, and 2 T-70 dials. A couple decent astromechs would be most welcome as well."

So... If I'm understanding correctly, you want to pay $30 so you can buy a ship, so you can then turn it into another ship...........

Ya, Gonna go out on a limb here and say the chances of that happening are.... 0%.

The lack of imagination with a title like that would be so astonishing to the point of me losing all faith in FFG. I mean, they would LITERALLY have to be out of good ideas to do something like this. If they still want to revisit the T-65 (which I personally feel they have no need to with the addition of integrated astromech), they will have a much more interesting title which separates it from the T-70. Not a "Make it the T-70! Woo hoo!" title. I mean, while they're at it, why not make a "Make it the E-wing" or "Make it the Z-95" title too? How thrilling.

Also, business wise, what you are suggesting would be a very poor decision. As others have already mentioned, the overall thought process from the consumer would be- "Why not just buy the T-70?", and many would. Or those who already have enough T-70s would pass the purchase all together. What drives the sale of Aces packs is new cards and upgrades, and lets just say a title making a ship into another ship which I can just as easily buy, is not going to drive sales.

Nope, you aren't understanding correctly. By the way, please stop punching that poor straw man you've set up, the poor little fella looks plum tuckered out.

What would drive the sale? I really think a lot of folks here don't understand the draw of the OT ships. I bought the S&V packs for the repainted Y-Wings, not to play Scum. I'm not the only one.

Do the FFG custom playmats make a competitive difference? Nope, it's purely aesthetic (and maybe a little too slippery). I bought them.

Will the colored bases shake the meta to it's core? Nope, it's purely aesthetic. I will buy them.

Will what I'm proposing launch a golden era of X-Wing domination? Nope, it's pretty much just aesthetics. It's not my fault that this is such a pretty game.

That's perfectly fine. I have no issue with the idea of a new model release, and surely that will drive some sales. So in my failure to mention that as a worthwhile desire, I apologize. I personally think a StealthX model would be SAHWEEEEET.

I do believe my original point to still be valid though. Why appeal to one side of the crowd when you can appeal to both?

Something FFG does beautifully is they always appeal to both crowds- those who love their models (and who doesn't?) and base their purchases largely on those, as well as those looking for a great addition to the game on the table at home as well as competitively. My argument should be more clearly stated that the second party of players, who care more about what is effecting the game and less about the models, are the ones who FFG would be losing with your suggested title card (the rest of your idea is exceptional, and I applaud it. My only issue is with the title suggestion). Simply adding a more intriguing title card then what you have suggested would likely be enough to have this second crowd buy all in.

Why would you want to turn your T65's into T70's? That's just removing diversity for no reason.

T-70 flies the way the X-Wing did in the movies, where as the current T-65 flies kind of like the asteroids surrounding the Hoth system.

I want Wedge and Luke to be able to fly the ships they flew in the movies, and I'm telling you, the current FFG T-65 is not that ship. It's the same way I felt about the pre-Raider Tie Advanced.

It's not about diversity. I will fly T-70s for the Resistance, and upgraded T-65s for the Rebellion!! They won't be mixing.

And I want a new paint job. The paint job is pretty key.

I want Wedge and Luke to be able to fly the ships they flew in the movies, and I'm telling you, the current FFG T-65 is not that ship. It's the same way I felt about the pre-Raider Tie Advanced.

But - Juno aside - the TIE Advanced still flies exactly the same way as it did before the Raider arrived.

Like a brick then....

Why would you want to turn your T65's into T70's? That's just removing diversity for no reason.

T-70 flies the way the X-Wing did in the movies, where as the current T-65 flies kind of like the asteroids surrounding the Hoth system.

I want Wedge and Luke to be able to fly the ships they flew in the movies, and I'm telling you, the current FFG T-65 is not that ship. It's the same way I felt about the pre-Raider Tie Advanced.

It's not about diversity. I will fly T-70s for the Resistance, and upgraded T-65s for the Rebellion!! They won't be mixing.

And I want a new paint job. The paint job is pretty key.

An X-wing title is coming and I'm sure it'll be more interesting than just turning it into a completely different ship.

That's perfectly fine. I have no issue with the idea of a new model release, and surely that will drive some sales. So in my failure to mention that as a worthwhile desire, I apologize. I personally think a StealthX model would be SAHWEEEEET.

I do believe my original point to still be valid though. Why appeal to one side of the crowd when you can appeal to both?

Something FFG does beautifully is they always appeal to both crowds- those who love their models (and who doesn't?) and base their purchases largely on those, as well as those looking for a great addition to the game on the table at home as well as competitively. My argument should be more clearly stated that the second party of players, who care more about what is effecting the game and less about the models, are the ones who FFG would be losing with your suggested title card (the rest of your idea is exceptional, and I applaud it. My only issue is with the title suggestion). Simply adding a more intriguing title card then what you have suggested would likely be enough to have this second crowd buy all in.

I can't really disagree with that logic, if they can think of a better way, or a way to buff up the E-Wing as well and make it more marketable I'm all for it.

As far as how marketable what I proposed would be... I've created a new measurement. It's called "If there were only 1 box on the shelf, and I was standing between Joe Boss Red Seven and the box would I fear for my personal safety". In this case the answer is an emphatic "yes".

Why would you want to turn your T65's into T70's? That's just removing diversity for no reason.

T-70 flies the way the X-Wing did in the movies, where as the current T-65 flies kind of like the asteroids surrounding the Hoth system.

I want Wedge and Luke to be able to fly the ships they flew in the movies, and I'm telling you, the current FFG T-65 is not that ship. It's the same way I felt about the pre-Raider Tie Advanced.

It's not about diversity. I will fly T-70s for the Resistance, and upgraded T-65s for the Rebellion!! They won't be mixing.

And I want a new paint job. The paint job is pretty key.

Do you have a T-70 dial? Then I say pick that thing up and set it down next to your Wedge and Luke!

I appreciate your focus on the aesthetics of the game EastCost, but you shouldn't have to wait around for a FFG release to enjoy the game as you would like to aesthetically! If you want that title, and no one else does, just make it a thing yourself! As far as the model though, we will have to wait on that haha.

This is all I want is Jabba's Yatch for epic... and-

Deluxe Core Set (by Nov 2016)

Rules update. Mission compendium with new missions.

Nice dice, 4 each.

All acrylic tokens, templates and ruler.

2 ships from each faction.

Box coverts into storage/tournament box for game pieces plus 12 small ships or 6 small/1 large ship.

Then shorlty after sell seperately-

Accessory Packs: basic tokens, expanded tokens, templates & ruler, asteroids & debris, nice dice.

Imagine if they had made the BTL-A4 title into a title that just made y-wings exactly like b wings. Would the game currently be more or less diverse.

An X-wing title is coming and I'm sure it'll be more interesting than just turning it into a completely different ship.

But the BTL-A4 Y-Wings are the same game era as the B-Wings. Y-Wings are not B-Wings. T-65's are X-Wings. T-70's are X-Wings.

I will fly T-70s against the evil new Order.

I will fly upgraded T-65 superiority fighters against the evil minions of the Empire.

My diversity looks fine.

I'm not sure a new title or anything beyond the integrated astromech is coming, but maybe.

Do you have a T-70 dial? Then I say pick that thing up and set it down next to your Wedge and Luke!

I appreciate your focus on the aesthetics of the game EastCost, but you shouldn't have to wait around for a FFG release to enjoy the game as you would like to aesthetically! If you want that title, and no one else does, just make it a thing yourself! As far as the model though, we will have to wait on that haha.

Yessir, I will have 2 very soon! And per my original post:

"Along with two T-65 Prototype title cards for 3 points that updates the dial, upgrade bar, action bar, stats, and 2 T-70 dials. A couple decent astromechs would be most welcome as well.

Let's face it, I'm going to proxy it anyway, but I would still jump at the chance to give you $30.00 for an official version (ok, that's a lie I would give you 30.00 twice, one for each set I would buy). I doubt that I'm the only one."

The new core set to me serves two functions, it essentially is giving me new ships plus it is providing a repainted T-65 and two repainted Tie Fighters for my rebellion era battles.

Mauler, Backstabber, Howlrunner, Night Beast, Dark Curse, and Gundark will all be flying the "special" white prototype Ties. The difference is, in that case I'll only be using the new model.

But now you are clearly going into house rule territory, not something FFG should officialy make. Resistance and Rebellion aren't all that different, most of us are just going to play new and old stuff next to each other. There is no need for added complexity when it doesn't add much.

As far as thematic "era restricted" battles go - sure, go ahead, I might do some of them myself, sound like it can be a lot of fun. But In general I'd rather enjoy the game in its entirety.

I want Wedge and Luke to be able to fly the ships they flew in the movies, and I'm telling you, the current FFG T-65 is not that ship. It's the same way I felt about the pre-Raider Tie Advanced.

But - Juno aside - the TIE Advanced still flies exactly the same way as it did before the Raider arrived.

Yes, but it now has the "punch". Did you see what Darth Vader was doing to the ships in the Trench run? 3 Y-Wings, 4 X-Wings, and he knocked Wedge Antilles clean out of the fight.

The X-Wing's punch is fine, it just has all the aerodynamics, handling, and frailty of a crusty mynock turd.

Resistance and Rebellion aren't all that

PREPOSTEROUS!!! They are 30 years apart. Wedge would be in his 60s. For suggesting such a thing I believe your punishment should be staring at before and after photos of Princess Leia in the slave girl outfits.

Resistance and Rebellion aren't all that

PREPOSTEROUS!!! They are 30 years apart. Wedge would be in his 60s. For suggesting such a thing I believe your punishment should be staring at before and after photos of Princess Leia in the slave girl outfits.

Doesn't matter. They very much have the same identity as far as we know. I don't care if Wedge is 100+ when he is able to fly side by side with freaking dead people!

Imagine if they had made the BTL-A4 title into a title that just made y-wings exactly like b wings. Would the game currently be more or less diverse.

An X-wing title is coming and I'm sure it'll be more interesting than just turning it into a completely different ship.

But the BTL-A4 Y-Wings are the same game era as the B-Wings. Y-Wings are not B-Wings. T-65's are X-Wings. T-70's are X-Wings.

I will fly T-70s against the evil new Order.

I will fly upgraded T-65 superiority fighters against the evil minions of the Empire.

My diversity looks fine.

I'm not sure a new title or anything beyond the integrated astromech is coming, but maybe.

GUNBOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GUNBOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ah, you're worried about thematic stuff. Most of us really don't care about that. Your suggestion is excellent house rule territory, but for a diverse, competitive game it is definitely the wrong direction.

I'd really caution you on the "most of us" piece. I think there's an assumption that the majority of X-Wing players are part of the larger war gaming community. I'm a big Star Wars fan that saw a Tabletop episode and went "Holy ****! that looks awesome!" I think there's a lot more of us here than you may think.

I certainly appreciate your input from the competitive perspective. It's nice to see angles I don't normally consider.