I think FFG should print both damage decks in both core sets, so that anyone starting now would have both.

I think it's funny that Game of Thrones LCG, 2nd edition is hitting shelves soon, invalidating the ENTIRE run of 1st edition cards - meaning, if you were into AGOT 1st edition, your cards are all now bookmarks, thanks for playing...

And yet the players I know who are into that are handling the transition with much more grace and a lot less bitching and moaning than people are about the new Core set.

I think it's funny that Game of Thrones LCG, 2nd edition is hitting shelves soon, invalidating the ENTIRE run of 1st edition cards - meaning, if you were into AGOT 1st edition, your cards are all now bookmarks, thanks for playing...

And yet the players I know who are into that are handling the transition with much more grace and a lot less bitching and moaning than people are about the new Core set.

Exactly!

People should be happy that FFG spent time (and money) into game enhancement.

While this is of course totally true, what FFG should probably do is release Card pack only expansions and not force you into buying Ships you dont need nor want.

I don't get why everyone assumes this would be a good thing. If they released card expansions, they'd want to get their money's worth in profit out of them. You'd probably see card pack exclusives, reduced cards in blisters, et cetera. It'd probably end up more expensive.

Part of me hopes they ccg the cards into individual packs. Just imagine, you could spend $80 on a box of packs for a chance at those ultra rare autothrusters but definitely get 500 more proton torpedoes. That would be fun.

Wait till the third core set is announced for Episode VIII. People's heads will explode.

And aren't we, the competitive players, the ones that are driving the game? Heck, I organize tournaments and store championships for FFG. Excluding us unless we buy a new Core Set sucks. And its even worse for Scum players...

Some people have said we will be able to buy them on eBay, but who is going to buy a new Core Set and then sell the damage deck? That makes no sense. Some people may buy two core sets and some of them may part with the new damage deck, but I imagine those numbers will be very limited. And again, why can't I pay FFG instead of an eBay user. I want to support the game, I just don't want to feel ripped off doing it.

Some may have experienced this with MTG or WH, but that's a poor reason for FFG to pull the same stunt. I'm not against FFG making money and I want to buy new expansions and ships, but this feels like many of us are being treated unfairly.

For a company that routinely releases card packs for its other games, it doesn't make sense that they can't sell the deck separately. Or if FFG really cared about treating players fairly, allow proxy decks in tournament play. Or errata the existing deck. Problem solved. They're not gouging us for money, right? Come on, they're smart guys - they could have come up with a better solution than "buy a new core set or stop playing competitively".

No...no you are not the ones driving the game. I know the "competitive segment" likes to think they do and many of the "competitive" posters on this board carry themselves like they are the Emperors gift to Xwing but you guys dont have the power over the game you like to think you do. I have seen it my entire time on this board and it grinds my gears to no end...

You want to allow PROXY cards into a tourney environment? REALLY? Cool I guess we dont need to buy anything new then...I mean I can call this Hwk a Kwing and have at it right? This opens up a pandoras box that the "competitive scene" really doesnt want...trust me. Your errata suggestion is also a non starter...they have already errataed the deck you see? They released it in the new core set.

And dont give us this line about "I only want to support FFG not some ebay seller!" Where did the ebay seller buy their product from? FFG...therefore FFG IS indirectly getting your support..someone else was kind enough to pay them first. No what you are looking for is what best benefits YOU, them producing the package YOU want, and at a price YOU want to pay, while thinking primarily about YOU.

There isnt much that is unfair about this honestly. Its just business. I still stand by understanding and sympathizing a bit your sentimate, I mean I am trying to find a way to find a second damage deck right now...but it is selfish and I dont see this happening...

Being forced to purchase a new core set to continue playing tournament play is totally unfair.

A cynical person might say FFG is happy forcing this change in order to sell more core sets. Include the fact that there have already been a few forced purchase updates like Rebel Aces for AW's or, worst of all, the Raider for TieA's.

I don't care about the new core set, the new T-70 or the new TIE's, and I certainly don't want to be forced to buy them to continue playing a game I have invested significant money into.

I don't believe a company like FFG, with talented game designers, couldn't come up with a way of allowing all players to participate in X-Wing Organized Play instead of excluding those unwilling to buy a new core set.

While I can sympathize with your sentimate on the v2 ddeck you are dead wrong on your gripe about the aces or raider. No one forces you to buy it just in order to play. You CAN run those ships without the upgrades you know....they are quite legal that way.

As for needing to but a new core set? We will see what they decide...I am usually behind moves like this as they make good business sense...part of me hopes they will do a one off and sell this deck solo, but another part of me doesn't want them to set a precedent of putting out a card only pack...mostly due to the fact that the "community" will expect them to do it again.

I am torn. I understand your gripe...but chances are you'll just need to suck it up and deal with it...

Yes but you are giving yourself a handicap by doing as they aren't worth those points. I don't mind the rebel aces pack. They needed a balance fix for the A-Wing and so put it in a themed pack with new pilots for the B-Wing.

I don't approve of putting a fix for a standard play ship into the most expensive epic ship box. I guess they didn't sell enough corvettes..

Good thing FFG doesnt require your approval to sign off on these things then. What you are saying has nothing to do with what the OP is talking about...it never should have been mentioned in the first place as the RA and raider moves are apples to oranges with this move. You NEED a damage deck in order to play. You DONT NEED to be able to fly the most point efficient TIE/adv or Awing possible in order to play.

They needed to drum up excitement and sales for the flagging epic format (why it was flagging I think had to do with the disparity of huge ships...why did the rebels have 2 and the mighty empire have none?). Utilizing a "fix" for an unpopular ship was a stroke of good thinking. People with disposable income (of which there are many) would buy this weather they wanted to play epic or not and probably give epic a shot...possibly enjoy it and buy into epic. They provided enough cards for 4 (yes 4!!) TIE/advs to be equipped with the new goodies even though most people only had 1 MAYBE 2. This does 2 things...drum up extra sales for a flagging ship (TIE adv) and give those who dont want any more TIE/advs a chance to spread the cost out. It was a smart move weather you agree with it or not. FFG is in the money making business...not the "give Scott80 whatever he approves of and will buy" business.

To force you into buying a new core set if you want to continue competitive play is a sort of rip-off.

On the other hand, as a competitive player you usually own a copy of any product providing you with new cards and stuff anyway ... so... there is that.

And you get a good product for a good price.

Disneyfication hate put aside just for a moment, with inverted colors of tie fighters ... and other crap like this

It is a awesome game with now updated ships and rules and stuff.

Its not really a rip off though. The "competitive" player should see it as a cost of doing business. They were the ones I heard clamoring for a new damage deck the loudest anyway...and now they have it. And a vocal minority is angry that it didnt come out packaged as they wanted it. Like you said we are getting a good product at a good price. If someone out there doesnt want to buy it...well then its really not anyones problem but their own...

EDIT: Attributed something to politelliot that should have been attributed to Scott80. This has been fixed...and all without needing to buy a new ship to obtain said fix.

Part of me hopes they ccg the cards into individual packs. Just imagine, you could spend $80 on a box of packs for a chance at those ultra rare autothrusters but definitely get 500 more proton torpedoes. That would be fun.

If they really did a ccg (Collectible Card Game) rather than an lcg (Living Card Game) where there would be rare, uncommon, etc cards. Then I could promise without reservation or doubt the last expansion that I purchase would be the Gonzati. I have a good enough collection that I will be enjoying a diversity of games for some time.

Sorry, I'm not getting into another collectible game. Come to think of it, that would be a reason for me to bow out and save some money.

As a new player, I'm not that worried. The new core set comes with three more ships, more damage dice, more templates, etc. in addition to the new damage deck.

It's a bit pricey if you don't want the new ships, but it's nothing compared to Games Workshop releasing 50 dollar rule books for individual factions every couple years in addition to a 50 dollar rule book just to learn how to play the game.

Part of me hopes they ccg the cards into individual packs. Just imagine, you could spend $80 on a box of packs for a chance at those ultra rare autothrusters but definitely get 500 more proton torpedoes. That would be fun.

If they really did a ccg (Collectible Card Game) rather than an lcg (Living Card Game) where there would be rare, uncommon, etc cards. Then I could promise without reservation or doubt the last expansion that I purchase would be the Gonzati. I have a good enough collection that I will be enjoying a diversity of games for some time.

Sorry, I'm not getting into another collectible game. Come to think of it, that would be a reason for me to bow out and save some money.

Did you hear a 'wooshing' sound while replying to that post?

Y'all know that they've updated the FAQ to say the new decks will be compulsory at Worlds - and they'll be handing out damage decks to all entrants there, right?

Betcha they continue to play 'good guys' a while yet.

No...no you are not the ones driving the game. I know the "competitive segment" likes to think they do and many of the "competitive" posters on this board carry themselves like they are the Emperors gift to Xwing but you guys dont have the power over the game you like to think you do. I have seen it my entire time on this board and it grinds my gears to no end...

You want to allow PROXY cards into a tourney environment? REALLY? Cool I guess we dont need to buy anything new then...I mean I can call this Hwk a Kwing and have at it right? This opens up a pandoras box that the "competitive scene" really doesnt want...trust me. Your errata suggestion is also a non starter...they have already errataed the deck you see? They released it in the new core set.

And dont give us this line about "I only want to support FFG not some ebay seller!" Where did the ebay seller buy their product from? FFG...therefore FFG IS indirectly getting your support..someone else was kind enough to pay them first. No what you are looking for is what best benefits YOU, them producing the package YOU want, and at a price YOU want to pay, while thinking primarily about YOU.

There isnt much that is unfair about this honestly. Its just business. I still stand by understanding and sympathizing a bit your sentimate, I mean I am trying to find a way to find a second damage deck right now...but it is selfish and I dont see this happening...

"You want to allow PROXY cards into a tourney environment? REALLY?"

I love it when someone doesn't read what was posted and goes on a rage tangent instead. "allow proxy decks in tournament play. Or errata the existing deck." Deck, did you read the word deck - not cards, not ships. Yes, proxying a Hwk for a Kwing is an idiot idea, thanks for bringing it up. Proxying a damage deck, or errataing it, are both ugly solutions, but then so is forcing the TFA Core Sets on us when we already own Core sets. Proxying is not really a serious solution, but its an easy example which is clearly better for consumers.

"Where did the ebay seller buy their product from?"

I don't know - do you really? Its not just about supporting FFG, its also about supporting my local gaming store too. My LGS is very important to me, if I go to eBay instead of them, they lose sales and my LGS = my local gaming network.

"No what you are looking for is what best benefits YOU, them producing the package YOU want, and at a price YOU want to pay, while thinking primarily about YOU."

Er, yeah, that's what customers do.

"It's just business"

Such a empty excuse. 'New Coke' was just business too. A famously lousy business idea which ignored customers and didn't work out so well.

There are many arguments around this but my basic gripe is still valid - as a tournament organiser and competetive player, I am now going to be excluded unless I get a new damage deck and the solution offered by FFG is a lousy deal.

"Where did the ebay seller buy their product from?"

I don't know - do you really? Its not just about supporting FFG, its also about supporting my local gaming store too. My LGS is very important to me, if I go to eBay instead of them, they lose sales and my LGS = my local gaming network.

"The solution offered by FFG" is to sell a core set that's extremely keenly priced for what's inside it, meaning that buying it for the ships and re-selling the rest, or buying it for the decks and tokens and re-selling the ships are both perfectly viable options. Yeah, it would be fractionally more convenient to be able to pick the damage deck and new asteroids up separately, but I'm not convinced that would be any cheaper when all's said and done.

You know, I was all ready to say it's just a core set, it's not that big of a deal. And it's true, it's not a big deal, it's not that expensive, and a large portion of players are happy to buy it. But just because it's not a lot of money, doesn't mean the underlying idea is right.

It is pretty poor to force your customers to buy a lot of parts they don't want, in order to get the part they do.

I know FFG's policy regarding this sort of thing, and for the most part, I respect it. I like FFG as a company and respect them enough to keep buying their products, and I respect them enough to offer sincere criticism when it's deserved.

You mis-stepped here FFG. This was the one time you needed to relax your 'no components' policy. I can't image it would have been so difficult to order 5-10k new damage decks to be sold individually. You could have sold them on your website exclusively if you didn't want to burden re-sellers with extraneous products. You could have run it for 6-12 months only so that everyone who wanted the new deck could get it while you replaced the damage deck in the original core sets and the old sets went out of circulation. You could have given them away with all orders over X dollars if you really felt generous, though no one would really expect that. We know you run a business and we want you to make the profits you can to keep the game fresh and interesting.

The point is, there are many things you can do to make the transition to X-Wing 2.0 much easier on your long time customers. And you should have done them if you are going to demand that those customers come to your tournaments with very specific parts of your product line.

The number of people who play X-Wing seriously enough to NEED the new damage deck (as opposed to just wanting it) but who have no interest in the T-70/TIEfoos has got to be tiny, though. And again, for those people it's not exactly an onerous task to buy the new deck off a reseller / resell the bits of the core set they don't want / find friends who're interested in taking extra TIEs/X-Wings off their hands. It would be nice if FFG stopped them having to jump through those hoops, but the tone of hurt betrayal from some people in this thread feels really misplaced.

At the end of the day if you don't like it vote with your wallet and don't buy it, that's what I've done with the Taken King.

You're missing out. I know this isn't exactly a selling point, but this really is the version of Destiny I wish I'd been playing for the past year.

Surprising that a few people are actually complaining about a 25 dollar purchase.

It's unfortunate, and a little bit unpleasant, but I don't find it surprising at all. Everyone has something they'll complain about, and some people will complain about everything.

I can totally agree that it will improve the game, but making us buy Core Sets just for the damage deck is a rotten way to treat players/customers. And aren't we, the competitive players, the ones that are driving the game? Heck, I organize tournaments and store championships for FFG. Excluding us unless we buy a new Core Set sucks. And its even worse for Scum players...

I have a couple of problems with this, but the first and biggest is that last part. I still find it nearly unbelievable that there's a substantial portion of the playerbase that looks at all the possibilities in this game and says "Nah, I really only want to experience a third of this."

Running the Empire is fun, but so is running Rebels, and so is running Scum. I can't imagine sitting down to think about what I want to play at the local Escalation event on Saturday and being limited to just one faction. Maybe it's just a personal blind spot, but I really don't get it.

The second biggest is that bit about "we, the competitive players... driving the game". I'm not sure it's true, and if it is true, I'm not sure it's a reason why FFG should refrain from publishing the new deck with a new core set. No one outside FFG knows (and they might not know there) how many competitive players there are out of all players, but my guess from other games is that it's a pretty small portion.

Moreover, in this thread you're actually talking about a much smaller group than all competitive players: the only people who ought to be upset about the new damage deck people are those who plan to play competitively but also weren't already planning to buy an FA Core Set for the ships and upgrades. Again, I don't have any research to back this up, but my guess is that those players are basically a rounding error considered against the set of all players.

It would be admirable if FFG released the damage deck separately as a print-on-demand item, or even for free as a high-resolution PDF. It would do a lot to cement their reputation as a customer-service-oriented company. But I don't think there's actually much pressure on them to do so, because the constituency you represent isn't honestly a very large one.

Lots of people I know play only one faction, or at least mainly one faction. It's not only a function of money but of time. If you play X-wing at most one night a week (or more likely much less than that), you would like to play with the ships and faction that mostly resonates with you. Not to mention that you need to practice with a faction to get good with it, and it is more fun to fly with ship that you are good at flying. It also builds up the fun of having faction loyalty and it saves money since you don't have to buy all the ships each wave. In fact, I don't think I know anyone that plays all the factions (though there are some completists that collect all the ships regardless). Most people I play regularly, as well as in local and regional tournaments, mainly plays one faction and has one faction they dabble in. In tournaments, nearly everyone sticks to their favourite, and the ones who do not never does well with their "side-faction".

There are serious diminishing returns in playing all 3 factions, it is in no way 3 times as fun as only playing one faction, though it is three times as expensive. So from my, admittedly anecdotal experience, players that play in local tournaments and regionals but does not play or collect all three factions are pretty common, much more common than players that play all factions.

However, most also do not have a problem with the new core set or damage deck, I for one love it and am looking froward to buying it even though I will likely never really play the TIE/FO ships, and might sell the X-wing to a friend that wants two. The new core set is still a good deal, since even if you only really need the damage deck, the new obstacles and upgrades are generally useful. Coming from any other war game where much needed rules updates comes at a premium, "having" to rebuy a core-set every 3-4 years is no real problem at all.

For those not wanting to cough up money for the new core set if you can make it to Worlds you'll get the new dmg deck upon entry.

I remember when my LGS didn't carry the dice expansion. The only choices I had to be able to roll range 3 TIE defense or Range 1 Phantom attacks in one roll was to buy a second core, buy them off of e-bay, or get third party dice. What did I do? I waited, the dice finally came in, and I bought them alone. $7.77, the price alone made them irresistible.

FFG released their core sets as part of a mass toy release for a little thing known as Star Wars muthatruckin episode 7. They're going to try to milk this cow for as many sales as they can. But I'd be willing to bet 2 photon torpedo cards that they release the new damage deck as a standalone product right before the new tourney season starts. People who haven't gotten the core will be desperate to obtain them and I can see a good bit of sales putting a product like that out. In the meantime, they stay mum about it and if that makes a few hundred people buy the core who wouldn't have done so otherwise, well that's money in the bank!

Part of the need for standalone decks isn't even tournament related. Paper bends, tears, stains, and doesn't mix well with water. I wince every time I take my Raider range ruler apart because one false move will probably make the cardboard snap while I try to work loose those flush buttons. What happens if it breaks? Spend another $100? Probably not.

Similarly, what happens when your opponent counts your deck and finds that you're missing one card? Buy another core set to replace it? Kind of extravagant for one card.

When you include 3rd party templates, I'd say the damage deck is the only vital game equipment that can't be replaced.

And if licensing and printing cards is the issue, why not release a damage card app? Have ship symbols that face down/up cars can be placed on. Crits are even more randomized than you could get them by shuffling.

There's a lot that can happen before January, we just need to be patient.

I remember when my LGS didn't carry the dice expansion. The only choices I had to be able to roll range 3 TIE defense or Range 1 Phantom attacks in one roll was to buy a second core, buy them off of e-bay, or get third party dice. What did I do? I waited, the dice finally came in, and I bought them alone. $7.77, the price alone made them irresistible.

FFG released their core sets as part of a mass toy release for a little thing known as Star Wars muthatruckin episode 7. They're going to try to milk this cow for as many sales as they can. But I'd be willing to bet 2 photon torpedo cards that they release the new damage deck as a standalone product right before the new tourney season starts. People who haven't gotten the core will be desperate to obtain them and I can see a good bit of sales putting a product like that out. In the meantime, they stay mum about it and if that makes a few hundred people buy the core who wouldn't have done so otherwise, well that's money in the bank!

Part of the need for standalone decks isn't even tournament related. Paper bends, tears, stains, and doesn't mix well with water. I wince every time I take my Raider range ruler apart because one false move will probably make the cardboard snap while I try to work loose those flush buttons. What happens if it breaks? Spend another $100? Probably not.

Similarly, what happens when your opponent counts your deck and finds that you're missing one card? Buy another core set to replace it? Kind of extravagant for one card.

When you include 3rd party templates, I'd say the damage deck is the only vital game equipment that can't be replaced.

And if licensing and printing cards is the issue, why not release a damage card app? Have ship symbols that face down/up cars can be placed on. Crits are even more randomized than you could get them by shuffling.

There's a lot that can happen before January, we just need to be patient.

I'll raise ya an Advanced Proton Torpedo card

But yeah with the new worlds announcement that they are giving out individual damage decks then yes I can see a possibility of the damage deck being released for individual sale. Still no word and I already got one new core set and not planning on buying another one.

As for the app, I don't know, I have heard of some hacks for the dice app, you know the ones that allow for rolling nothing but crits and evades. Also how would the app be able to tell what crit card got put face down on a ship?

It's totally unfair that I can't use my old blocks of MTG for tournaments said no player in the past 20 years.

I know several players who said "Screw having to rebuy my card collection every couple of years, I'm playing something else!" if that's close enough for you.

And to be fair... that is an expenditure several orders of magnitude larger... not the cost of an extra large pizza with cheesy bread delivery.

If you consider the new damage deck to be a damage deck "fix", then it isn't so bad. If we all change our attitude to be:

"Current damage deck is underpowered and needs a buff! Thanks FFG for fixing it!!!!"

Then we can be applauding the change rather than disliking being forced into it to participate in sanctioned tourneys.

**** you FFG, why you force me to buy more things!!

Wait, it's a game, I'm not forced...

No...no you are not the ones driving the game. I know the "competitive segment" likes to think they do and many of the "competitive" posters on this board carry themselves like they are the Emperors gift to Xwing but you guys dont have the power over the game you like to think you do. I have seen it my entire time on this board and it grinds my gears to no end...

You want to allow PROXY cards into a tourney environment? REALLY? Cool I guess we dont need to buy anything new then...I mean I can call this Hwk a Kwing and have at it right? This opens up a pandoras box that the "competitive scene" really doesnt want...trust me. Your errata suggestion is also a non starter...they have already errataed the deck you see? They released it in the new core set.

And dont give us this line about "I only want to support FFG not some ebay seller!" Where did the ebay seller buy their product from? FFG...therefore FFG IS indirectly getting your support..someone else was kind enough to pay them first. No what you are looking for is what best benefits YOU, them producing the package YOU want, and at a price YOU want to pay, while thinking primarily about YOU.

There isnt much that is unfair about this honestly. Its just business. I still stand by understanding and sympathizing a bit your sentimate, I mean I am trying to find a way to find a second damage deck right now...but it is selfish and I dont see this happening...

"You want to allow PROXY cards into a tourney environment? REALLY?"

I love it when someone doesn't read what was posted and goes on a rage tangent instead. "allow proxy decks in tournament play. Or errata the existing deck." Deck, did you read the word deck - not cards, not ships. Yes, proxying a Hwk for a Kwing is an idiot idea, thanks for bringing it up. Proxying a damage deck, or errataing it, are both ugly solutions, but then so is forcing the TFA Core Sets on us when we already own Core sets. Proxying is not really a serious solution, but its an easy example which is clearly better for consumers.

"Where did the ebay seller buy their product from?"

I don't know - do you really? Its not just about supporting FFG, its also about supporting my local gaming store too. My LGS is very important to me, if I go to eBay instead of them, they lose sales and my LGS = my local gaming network.

"No what you are looking for is what best benefits YOU, them producing the package YOU want, and at a price YOU want to pay, while thinking primarily about YOU."

Er, yeah, that's what customers do.

"It's just business"

Such a empty excuse. 'New Coke' was just business too. A famously lousy business idea which ignored customers and didn't work out so well.

There are many arguments around this but my basic gripe is still valid - as a tournament organiser and competetive player, I am now going to be excluded unless I get a new damage deck and the solution offered by FFG is a lousy deal.

"You want to allow PROXY cards into a tourney environment? REALLY?"

I love it when someone doesn't read what was posted and goes on a rage tangent instead. "allow proxy decks in tournament play. Or errata the existing deck." Deck, did you read the word deck - not cards, not ships. Yes, proxying a Hwk for a Kwing is an idiot idea, thanks for bringing it up. Proxying a damage deck, or errataing it, are both ugly solutions, but then so is forcing the TFA Core Sets on us when we already own Core sets. Proxying is not really a serious solution, but its an easy example which is clearly better for consumers.

I love it when people do that too. Did you fully read what I posted? Is that why you only responded to a single line of what I posted and my idiot idea (which really isnt any more dumb than the "solution" you posted) completely ignoring the very valid concerns I raised immediately after the line you quoted? Perhaps you missed the part where it would open pandora's box? Once you allow proxying of any sort you have removed a great deal of incentive for people to have the correct product. People start to expect you to allow them to proxy things. You can hold it off for a time...but once you set the precedent you risk opening the floodgates. Proxying is bad in "competitive" settings for a myriad of reasons...Even if it doesnt go as far as my Hwk Kwing example...I have a decent case now to just place any mod next to my fel and claim I am proxying an autothrusters or place an Ion cannon that I want to use as a Mangler. That is where this suggestion leads you and you will get alot of unhappy players if you allow proxying of certain components and not others. These events NEED consistency. You cant bend the rules for one component and not another. You claim to organize and run tournaments and I will take you at your word (I see no reason to not believe you)...I am honestly surprised someone who does that would actually suggest such a move because they dont want to spend a few bucks...If you didnt intend it to be even a slightly serious solution then why did you suggest it? As an example? Id call it a lazy and ineffective one.

And as I stated before...the damage deck was errataed...it comes in the new core. Just because you cant get it for cheap as free doesnt mean it didnt happen.

"Where did the ebay seller buy their product from?"

I don't know - do you really? Its not just about supporting FFG, its also about supporting my local gaming store too. My LGS is very important to me, if I go to eBay instead of them, they lose sales and my LGS = my local gaming network.

Then buy the new core and part it off yourself on Ebay. I would wager you would get most of your money back...

I am seeing (and I cannot post links due to forum rules:)

TIE Fo - $11 -$20 for both TIEs and related components

T-70 - Bids w 2 days left are hitting $8.50 so far

Manuver Templates - $8

Dice $3 - $6

There was even a seller selling different parts at different prices (all in one listing) and he had the damage deck listed at $7.75 with about $3 in shipping (but he was based in the UK.)

So assuming you get the $11 for the TIEs, lets say $10 for the xwing, $8 for the templates, and $3 for the dice your damage deck ran you $8 not counting taxes and ebays cut so we can say it ran you $10 to $11? Which is probably what the deck would run solo anyway I would wager. Plus you still have an extra ranger ruler you could sell plus the new asteroids you could also hock if you wanted.

And that was just a quick 10 minute browsing of Ebay. If you need the deck so badly and need to support your FLGS so badly you have options...if you want to hold the moral stance you need to be willing to put in the effort.

"No what you are looking for is what best benefits YOU, them producing the package YOU want, and at a price YOU want to pay, while thinking primarily about YOU."

Er, yeah, that's what customers do.

Correct...however companies serve themselves above their customers typically. So customers tend to weigh what they want with what they are willing to pay and take. Seems like most of FFGs customers dont mind this package...just a very small and loud minority who have other options to get what they need but either A. arent willing to look or B. manufacture excuses to not buy and call FFG "bad" and "unfair" for putting out a product that its player base wanted in a form that will turn it a substantial profit.

You are in the minority my friend.

"It's just business"

Such a empty excuse. 'New Coke' was just business too. A famously lousy business idea which ignored customers and didn't work out so well.

Its not an empty excuse...its straight up fact. Its business to put out new products that your customers are demanding in a way that makes you the most money possible. That is how business works. FFG isnt a nonprofit. They have awesome customer awareness and customer service but their primary goal is to make teh monies. Based on the stories I heard of people running to target, the set selling out, and the amount of people on this very site who have bought 1 or more of these new core sets I would say the product has panned out pretty well so far. I remember the "new coke" debacle...I used to work for Coke and it was never explained by us or anyone else as "just business." Problem there was they replaced something that the customer base didn't feel needed to be replaced. THAT was why "New Coke" failed and that's not the case here. It should have been released as a "new flavor." People werent complaining that a new product was available or the price wasnt right or they couldnt get it in the poper size. They were complaining that they couldnt get the product they loved AT ALL. Again thats not the case here...You have options to get the new deck and they arent all that hard or inconvenient. From what I have seen and read myself they dont need to put the deck out as a solo item. While I, personally, was fine with the old deck a large portion of the base wasnt so the company made a change and passed it out in a package that would net them the most profit and ride a wave of consumer buying linked to a highly anticipated movie release.

If you think what they are offering is a lousy deal then you are welcome to vote with your wallet. Or get off the high horse and find a deck on ebay. Kvitching here on the forums is a fine option if it makes you feel better...but dont expect no opposition. I still sympathize with you a bit. But the more I think about it the more I like their solution. They have stated time and again there would be no card only packs...and I dont think they will set a precedent here, though its always possible I could be wrong but I kind of doubt it. There is too much money involved to placate such a small part of the player base. You have options, you simply need to utilize them. It might take more work to get the deck the way you want it but it can be done.

Part of me hopes they ccg the cards into individual packs. Just imagine, you could spend $80 on a box of packs for a chance at those ultra rare autothrusters but definitely get 500 more proton torpedoes. That would be fun.

If they really did a ccg (Collectible Card Game) rather than an lcg (Living Card Game) where there would be rare, uncommon, etc cards. Then I could promise without reservation or doubt the last expansion that I purchase would be the Gonzati. I have a good enough collection that I will be enjoying a diversity of games for some time.

Sorry, I'm not getting into another collectible game. Come to think of it, that would be a reason for me to bow out and save some money.

Did you hear a 'wooshing' sound while replying to that post?

wooshing???

Part of me hopes they ccg the cards into individual packs. Just imagine, you could spend $80 on a box of packs for a chance at those ultra rare autothrusters but definitely get 500 more proton torpedoes. That would be fun.

If they really did a ccg (Collectible Card Game) rather than an lcg (Living Card Game) where there would be rare, uncommon, etc cards. Then I could promise without reservation or doubt the last expansion that I purchase would be the Gonzati. I have a good enough collection that I will be enjoying a diversity of games for some time.

Sorry, I'm not getting into another collectible game. Come to think of it, that would be a reason for me to bow out and save some money.

Did you hear a 'wooshing' sound while replying to that post?

wooshing???

Its the sound a TIE makes.

I'm sick of people complaining about this. Just buy one off ebay or don't play competitive. Or...see if they release it as a solo purchase. If you want to play in the big tournaments, just buy a single deck online. Or borrow one from a friend. Or don't....but I don't need another thread about someone complaining about it.