I'm upset about having to buy ships to play this game in tournaments. I proxy my dog as a Space Marine Titan for my home games, why can't I use my Lego fleet in X-wing?!

Greedy sons of *******.

How do you fit them on the right bases?

It's totally unfair that I can't use my old blocks of MTG for tournaments said no player in the past 20 years.

Yet that's part of the reason I'm not interested in playing MTG.

Remember people this game is run by a company. Companies in general exist to make money.

They must have some smart guys at FFG.

They built a game system and then spread the upgrade cards amongst all their expansion packs.

That means the hardcore competitive player will need to buy multiples of most if not all expansion packs to get hold of the cards they want.

Putting a new damage deck in the new core box makes good business sense. All tourney players will be forced to buy at least one new core.

This franchise is rolling in money as many people have a star wars addiction. Not judging as I am just as addicted as the next player.

As a fellow addict I must admit it is laughable to hear myself and others justify hundreds or thousands of dollars on plastic and cardboard, just to enter events with the hope of winning a few dollars back.

Being forced to purchase a new core set to continue playing tournament play is totally unfair.

A cynical person might say FFG is happy forcing this change in order to sell more core sets. Include the fact that there have already been a few forced purchase updates like Rebel Aces for AW's or, worst of all, the Raider for TieA's.

I don't care about the new core set, the new T-70 or the new TIE's, and I certainly don't want to be forced to buy them to continue playing a game I have invested significant money into.

I don't believe a company like FFG, with talented game designers, couldn't come up with a way of allowing all players to participate in X-Wing Organized Play instead of excluding those unwilling to buy a new core set.

While I can sympathize with your sentimate on the v2 ddeck you are dead wrong on your gripe about the aces or raider. No one forces you to buy it just in order to play. You CAN run those ships without the upgrades you know....they are quite legal that way.

As for needing to but a new core set? We will see what they decide...I am usually behind moves like this as they make good business sense...part of me hopes they will do a one off and sell this deck solo, but another part of me doesn't want them to set a precedent of putting out a card only pack...mostly due to the fact that the "community" will expect them to do it again.

I am torn. I understand your gripe...but chances are you'll just need to suck it up and deal with it...

Yes but you are giving yourself a handicap by doing as they aren't worth those points. I don't mind the rebel aces pack. They needed a balance fix for the A-Wing and so put it in a themed pack with new pilots for the B-Wing.

I don't approve of putting a fix for a standard play ship into the most expensive epic ship box. I guess they didn't sell enough corvettes..

There's no way to keep everyone happy.

They aren't trying to punish you and yeah it's not great, but as others have pointed out this is not a very expensive piece of upkeep to keep playing tournaments and it's the only reason why you would NEED to buy the core.

Every time they do a release the only way you can use the things in that box is to buy it. That includes wanting feedback arrays for your z-95 swarm, or accuracy correctors on your tie advanced, this is the same deal as it's always been and we all know that.

There's also the matter of the release schedule and the scope they have to "fix" things, to me making fixes for shipos that need them and doing them alongside the epic releases is a great way for the designers to kill two birds with one stone.

I don't play epic so I don't have C3PO or any of that stuff, but I did buy a raider becasue it actually have a campaign mode with branching paths and stuff that seems like something my Imperial Assault buddy might want to try with me and becasue I could sell 2 sets of advanced fixes on ebay.

I bought a raider for £55 and sold 2 lots of ATC and X1's for £7.50 each so it cost me £40 for the raider, another advanced with all the pilot and 2 advanced fixes, pretty sweet.

Had they done the fix in an aces pack it would have been yet another product to add to the release schedule and it wouldn't have contained 4 of the fix. probably at least 2 of them would need to be purchased which would cost..... £40

The new damage deck is a good and needed and welcome addition to the game and a new film is a good way to launch it.

If you want to play tournaments then buy a damage deck, if you don't want the other stuff in the box, sell it on e-bay. There's loads of solutions to your problem so why are you behaving so irrationally about it?

At the end of the day if you don't like it vote with your wallet and don't buy it, that's what I've done with the Taken King.

Look, what people dislike is that the game changes from the previous warm mood of "Buy whatever you like most, and then still you can take part of the nice competitions" towards the much more harsher mood of "Buy what we say, your want it or not, or don't show your face here."

Odd then that some of the most competitive and successful tournament builds can be made without having purchased any ships released after 2014.

This, however, might not be a feasible option for those not in the US.

It will. I'm going to have 10 damage decks on e-bay by the end of the week in the UK and will post to europe.

That's great news. You do know the UK is part of Europe though, don't you? I know you guys like to pretend differently. .

This, however, might not be a feasible option for those not in the US.

It will. I'm going to have 10 damage decks on e-bay by the end of the week in the UK and will post to europe.

That's great news. You do know the UK is part of Europe though, don't you? I know you guys like to pretend differently. .

The key thing here is that Europe is full of different countries so postage would count as international, which is a different process to internal royal mail postage, and so the fact that I would post to anywhere in Europe is relevant as people on e-bay often refuse to do that becasue it's a hassle.

Ok, so let me get this straight.

Game has been out for over three years.

In that time, it has received a steady - while not overwhelming - series of updates, new ships and tweaks to address balance based on the feedback from an active community and a thriving tournament scene

Now, with a new film being released, and the opportunity to release an entirely separate game which people would feel compelled to purchase, milking money from the same mechanics and two different games, company instead elects to make a series of minor tweaks and improvements and release these in a new core set, which completely incorporates the existing three years worth of releases, whilst at the same time tweaking and improving core mechanics such that many of those existing ships do not find themselves disadvantaged by pre-existing issues.

Community still feels massively aggrieved by perceived 'grasping' nature of company, and takes to the forums to grandstand about how unfair life is.

That about right?

Seriously HoboJebus do you want to buy one of my damage decks? You are in the UK?

I can get a core set for £25 so yeah call it £7 with P&P.

Very tempting TBC!

It was inevitable.

Apparently lucasarts needed a new sound source for the whining of a TIE's engines.

They crowdsourced the forums.

Come on guys, game updates happen yo, and this was the most synergistic time for it.

would you have preferred a random "ohhai, we are releasing a new core set, same ships, same stuff... new damage cards...."?

As I've just pointed out elsewhere, you can pay £25 for a new core set and probably get £30 back selling the ships, tiles and pilot cards individually on ebay if you're that worried.

Also, it still beats the hell out of paying £50 for a new rulebook every two years (and £30 for a new faction list every 12-18 months)

As I've just pointed out elsewhere, you can pay £25 for a new core set and probably get £30 back selling the ships, tiles and pilot cards individually on ebay if you're that worried.

Also, it still beats the hell out of paying £50 for a new rulebook every two years (and £30 for a new faction list every 12-18 months)

(Still on a like drought...)

Really though, this.

To the guys who have never collected 40k: Guys, you got no idea. You really don't know how good you have it with FFG.

to the Wizards or Games workshop former/current players: come on guys, you should know better.

It's actually difficult to see a way to make it worth doing.

£25 a set but what is a reasonable price to sell the individual bits for becasue who will pay £20 for 2 tie /fo's when they can buy a core for £25?

I've been looking at how to do it through e-bay and given it'll be a minimum of £2.80 to sent the ships not including packaging.

I was thinking

£12 for X-wing (buy it now free postage)
£18 for 2 Ties (buy it now free postage)
£8 for damage deck (buy it now free postage)

That's £38 - (£3.80 ebay charges, £1 listing fees £6 postage)

Not really making any profit unless you start listing the rules and asteroids and stuff and then it becomes massively unmanageable.

The best thing would be for someone that just wants the rules, decks and asteroids to Buy the £25 core and sell the ships together. And I would seriously give anyone that wants to do that £15 for the 3 ships and the upgrade cards in the box if you want to only buy the deck and rules and asteroids for £10.

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Community still feels massively aggrieved by perceived 'grasping' nature of company, and takes to the forums to grandstand about how unfair life is.

I totally get why it's frustrating to feel like you're being forced to buy something you don't want. And I'm really, really uncomfortable with the general (but not universal) tone of people being shamed for not having unlimited disposable cash to blow on stupid plastic toy spaceships. But as well as the option to pick up a damage deck from an eBay reseller, you've also got the option of buying a core set for yourself and selling everything in it apart from the damage deck (and asteroids, I suppose?). If you can't get at least two-thirds or more of the cost of a coreset back from selling the ships in it* I'll be amazed.

I think it'd also be a good idea for FFG to update the original core set to contain the new rulebook and damage deck, but for all we know that might already be the plan.

* - Edit - From Talonbane goddamn Ninja, for a start.

£8 for the damage deck is selling yourself short! Ship prices sound about right but just ships dials and ship tokens nothing more! BB8 alone will be £6.99 with free p&p on ebay along with other sought after cards so your profit margin per core should increase.

Add in the new asteroids for say £2.99-3.99 free p&p and throw in the movement templates for £1.99 the only things I see not being able to sell on are named pilots like Poe and dice and other tokens.

£8 for the damage deck is selling yourself short! Ship prices sound about right but just ships dials and ship tokens nothing more! BB8 alone will be £6.99 with free p&p on ebay along with other sought after cards so your profit margin per core should increase.

Add in the new asteroids for say £2.99-3.99 free p&p and throw in the movement templates for £1.99 the only things I see not being able to sell on are named pilots like Poe and dice and other tokens.

Why would someone pay £6.99 for BB8 instead of just buying a bloody core set!

It is worth mentioning I feel that games workshop recently redid an entire game from basically the ground up because players weren't buying models any more as all their armies were complete. Sure they might buy a pack or two here and there, but it was slowly killing sales numbers, among other reasons. If buying a $40 dollar bargain box of goodies that comes with new obstacles to tailor your strategies more is considered to be your buy in for the next three years or so, I'd call that cheap. Sympathetic to your plight but not all to reasonable dude. Change your paradigm on the matter a bit. I hope you'll see that it's a good thing.

Now all that said, you could just use the same reason that I'm going to use for going on hiatus awhile from the games standard format, see that FFG has screwed up for the third time on balance in the last three waves and say that your starting over from the new core set and going forward from there. Just another paradigm.

...and look how well that's doing for them.

What FFG is doing with X-Wing has absolutely nothing to do with gw & 40k... Nopes.

It has everything to do with moving forward with a cleaned up game play experience, and a whole lot of glorious new STAR WARS content to bring cool new ships into this awesome game!

It's totally unfair that I can't use my old blocks of MTG for tournaments said no player in the past 20 years.

I know several players who said "Screw having to rebuy my card collection every couple of years, I'm playing something else!" if that's close enough for you.

Well it would, if they did have to rebuy their collection which they didn't. They'd be expanding their collection, true.

And seeing how MTG is more poluar than ever, it hardly is an example of a failing business model. .

This wasn't a cash grab.

This was a straight up improvement to the game.

X-Wing will be better with the new damage deck.

£8 for the damage deck is selling yourself short! Ship prices sound about right but just ships dials and ship tokens nothing more! BB8 alone will be £6.99 with free p&p on ebay along with other sought after cards so your profit margin per core should increase.

Add in the new asteroids for say £2.99-3.99 free p&p and throw in the movement templates for £1.99 the only things I see not being able to sell on are named pilots like Poe and dice and other tokens.

Why would someone pay £6.99 for BB8 instead of just buying a bloody core set!

His abilities with Wedge alone might make people single him out without wanting the hassle and cost of the core set.

£8 for the damage deck is selling yourself short! Ship prices sound about right but just ships dials and ship tokens nothing more! BB8 alone will be £6.99 with free p&p on ebay along with other sought after cards so your profit margin per core should increase.

Add in the new asteroids for say £2.99-3.99 free p&p and throw in the movement templates for £1.99 the only things I see not being able to sell on are named pilots like Poe and dice and other tokens.

Why would someone pay £6.99 for BB8 instead of just buying a bloody core set!

His abilities with Wedge alone might make people single him out without wanting the hassle and cost of the core set.

It's just if you are buying a core set for a card to use in tournaments you also want the damage deck, probably want the asteroids too. Might as well buy the set.

This wasn't a cash grab.

This was a straight up improvement to the game.

X-Wing will be better with the new damage deck.

For £25 you get 3 ships, normally worth £30. Then you get the new rules, damage deck and obstacles.

I'm struggling to see the problem here? It's only a bad deal if you can categorically say: "I'm never, ever, going to fly the T-70 or the TIE-fo."

Someone may well say that now (and I wouldn't believe them), but give it a few weeks/months and they'll see them in good lists and other people having fun with them, plus them being cool in Ep7 and you can bet people will want them, buy the core set and wonder what all the fuss was about.

Also all this whining about *forced* purchases. There's around 40 X-wing products. Only 2 are mandatory.