When scum came out you were not allowed to use rebel dials for scum y-wings and headhunters, or imp dials for the spray meaning you had to buy multiple most wanted boxes.

We moaned they backed down.

Why not just buy a new core-set, swap the damage decks from your old set. Put a note on it saying that you've done it - and then donate the box to your local community - to get more players into the hobby.

Hell, you could even pool funds with friends and possibly get a discount.

I've yet to see a reason why selling damage decks separately is undesirable or unworkable.

Well that's weird.

Perhaps they've made the judgement that there aren't enough people who'd need a new deck but don't want the new core set to make it worth the hassle and cost for them to package and ship a bunch of new damage decks separately? Especially given that there were bound to be decks floating around the secondary market for anyone who wanted to pick them up.

Selling a damage deck'd require:

• Packaging.
• Production.
• Shipping.
• Licensing.
• Spending factory time making the damage deck instead of something else.

Opportunity cost and cost of manufacture: they probably assessed the market simply wasn't big enough, especially for a product which inherently competes with the Core Set. And that market gets smaller every time an existing player buys a core set (new players'll get the new deck with their core), so I doubt they'd put a separate damage deck into production now.

Selling the Damage Decks separately would also be some kind of acknowledgement from FFG towards the fanbase stationed outside the U.S., making access or transition of the game (form Mk.I to Mk.II) much more affordable and comfortable instead of for the foreign player having to browse through secondary markets and paying the not so cheap shipping costs for an english version of the deck on top of that.

When scum came out you were not allowed to use rebel dials for scum y-wings and headhunters, or imp dials for the spray meaning you had to buy multiple most wanted boxes.

We moaned they backed down.

Some of us bought multiple Most Wanted boxes anyway.

And not because we had to, either!

I didn't say X Wing was a hot mess

FFG didn't save 40k at all. No rpg line is going to save anything, they don't sell enough.

I don't know why some react so strongly to negative remarks about FFG.

And this also assumes the game isn't the hot mess it currently exists as.

Please then clarify which game you were referring to as a hot mess.

if it's 40K I agree. if it's 40k/RPG I am neutral.

So,

To recap on the thread so far.

1. I want all of the new toys but I don't like how they're getting sold and I'm getting ripped off. FFG is a bad company.

2. I want all of the new toys and I don't like how some people are defending FFG's marketing strategy. You're a fanboy.

3. I want all of the new toys, and to be honest, despite kicking up a fuss in this thread I'll buy them anyway. FFG are still a bad company and you're a fanboy.

4. I want all of the new toys, but they'll have to wait for now because I've got other priorities in life. FFG are as bad as GW for not altering their marketing strategy.

Cheers

Baaa

To be fair Baaa, in my irritation I might be a bit harsh with my stance of 5. "jesus it's not that bad, get over it".

I get why some people don't want the core set, and I expect that somewhere between now and Jan FFG is going to do something to help those people out.

But if pointing out the logical reasons why FFG may not sell a damage deck separately, pointing out other options for those who want it but don't want to buy a new core, and pointing out why many people don't actually need one...

Well if that makes me a fanboy, then so be it. Because anyone who would actually claim that is clearly a troll.

(Also, the new core set ate their entire planned ship budget? How few ships were they planning on getting?)

I know this will shock a good bunch of people here but feel I need to say it:

Not every player has a past as a victim of Games Workshop or Wizards of the Coast.

I mean, I come from playing Magic, and my skin is already leather, as my granpa would say. But for people not used to those kind of games, 80€ is a sizeable portion of gaming budget, specially when you have girlfriends/wives giving their opinion about it. With 80€ you can get a good bunch of games in Steam sales, or 2-3 gooood board games. It is hard to justify skipping that for getting instead an errata'ed component for a single board game. Also, with 80€ you can get two aces packs and a medium ship, that is what they were going after.

That's still not going to constitute two 100pt squads, is it?

But again, try Support.

So,

To recap on the thread so far.

1. I want all of the new toys but I don't like how they're getting sold and I'm getting ripped off. FFG is a bad company.

2. I want all of the new toys and I don't like how some people are defending FFG's marketing strategy. You're a fanboy.

3. I want all of the new toys, and to be honest, despite kicking up a fuss in this thread I'll buy them anyway. FFG are still a bad company and you're a fanboy.

4. I want all of the new toys, but they'll have to wait for now because I've got other priorities in life. FFG are as bad as GW for not altering their marketing strategy.

Cheers

Baaa

So you didn't actually read the thread even a little then and just came here to troll.

The issue is there are people who DON'T want the toys at all and are upset at having to buy them instead of toys they do want just to get 33 small cards.

I get why some people don't want the core set, and I expect that somewhere between now and Jan FFG is going to do something to help those people out.

But if pointing out the logical reasons why FFG may not sell a damage deck separately, pointing out other options for those who want it but don't want to buy a new core, and pointing out why many people don't actually need one...

Well if that makes me a fanboy, then so be it. Because anyone who would actually claim that is clearly a troll.

At this point you can only say so much mate...

So,

To recap on the thread so far.

1. I want all of the new toys but I don't like how they're getting sold and I'm getting ripped off. FFG is a bad company.

2. I want all of the new toys and I don't like how some people are defending FFG's marketing strategy. You're a fanboy.

3. I want all of the new toys, and to be honest, despite kicking up a fuss in this thread I'll buy them anyway. FFG are still a bad company and you're a fanboy.

4. I want all of the new toys, but they'll have to wait for now because I've got other priorities in life. FFG are as bad as GW for not altering their marketing strategy.

Cheers

Baaa

So you didn't actually read the thread even a little then and just came here to troll.

The issue is there are people who DON'T want the toys at all and are upset at having to buy them instead of toys they do want just to get 33 small cards.

No, I read the thread.

And guess what? Those 33 little cards that you're are all kicking up an almighty fuss about (and will probably buy anyway) are one of the new toys in the core set.

As I said earlier in the thread, the day you become the CEO of a multi-million then decide on how you sell your products. Until then?

Either buy the product or don't.

Cheers

Baaa

The issue is there are people who DON'T want the toys at all and are upset at having to buy them instead of toys they do want just to get 33 small cards.

...and again, if this really, really bothers you so much:

Buy the new damage deck seperately off ebay. there's plenty of copies on there right now.

Or

Buy the starter set at a discount somewhere, keep the damage deck, keep the updated rules (because why not?) sell the dice, sell the templates, sell the ships, probably make yourself a nice little profit you can then reinvest in something else that takes your fancy.

Take option one if you want a simple life and/or need your hand holding. Option two if you'd like to save a bit of money and not afraid of putting in a little bit of effort.

You have options. Don't try and pretend you don't.

and for all we know they'll release something/include in tourney kits or whatever.

Too soon to throw the toys out of the pram.

The issue is there are people who DON'T want the toys at all and are upset at having to buy them instead of toys they do want just to get 33 small cards.

And as I and others have said, we get that.

For those who can't or won't get a 2nd core and are playing at Worlds, FFG has it covered.

For those who won't get the 2nd core, there are in fact other options. Ebay, proxies, buying it from someone at the LGS who has an extra, or using the old damage deck. Or as has been mentioned. But the core set and sell off the parts you don't want.

Another option is to wait and see if FFG won't release it some other way next year. As far as they are concerned since you're not required to use it until then, there's no real reason to do anything right now.

If by doing so, they sell a few extra core sets for those who won't wait, then that's good for them.

My issue isn't with you, because I think you and a few others have a legitimate issue, and I think the most customer friendly thing FFG could do would be to sell the damage deck for %5-10.

But there are some people in this thread who have nearly depleted the world's wheat supply to make the number of strawmen they've been throwing around.

Oh and btw, I'm out of likes apparently...

and for all we know they'll release something/include in tourney kits or whatever.

Too soon to throw the toys out of the pram.

Not a single person has said they are rage quitting, no ones said they are going to embargo FFG.

That characterisation is 100% unhelpful and is the kind of comment that got the last thread locked.

The issue is there are people who DON'T want the toys at all and are upset at having to buy them instead of toys they do want just to get 33 small cards.

And as I and others have said, we get that.

For those who can't or won't get a 2nd core and are playing at Worlds, FFG has it covered.

For those who won't get the 2nd core, there are in fact other options. Ebay, proxies, buying it from someone at the LGS who has an extra, or using the old damage deck. Or as has been mentioned. But the core set and sell off the parts you don't want.

Another option is to wait and see if FFG won't release it some other way next year. As far as they are concerned since you're not required to use it until then, there's no real reason to do anything right now.

If by doing so, they sell a few extra core sets for those who won't wait, then that's good for them.

My issue isn't with you, because I think you and a few others have a legitimate issue, and I think the most customer friendly thing FFG could do would be to sell the damage deck for %5-10.

But there are some people in this thread who have nearly depleted the world's wheat supply to make the number of strawmen they've been throwing around.

Oh and btw, I'm out of likes apparently...

You might but others keep trying to misrepresent the argument and that's why it needs to be restated so much.

Baa being a perfect example.

Hobo it's a figure of speech from the UK.

Throw the toys out of the pram just means basically make a big deal/hissy fit over something.

Cards are toys, you eati

and for all we know they'll release something/include in tourney kits or whatever.

Too soon to throw the toys out of the pram.

Not a single person has said they are rage quitting, no ones said they are going to embargo FFG.

That characterisation is 100% unhelpful and is the kind of comment that got the last thread locked.

What's an eati?

According to Amazon, Ebay and a few other places, cards are listed as toys - who am I to disagree?

Or are you going to go off on one about how those companies list their products now as well?

Either buy the product or don't, but stop whining about it.

Cheers

Baaa

and for all we know they'll release something/include in tourney kits or whatever.

Too soon to throw the toys out of the pram.

Not a single person has said they are rage quitting, no ones said they are going to embargo FFG.

That characterisation is 100% unhelpful and is the kind of comment that got the last thread locked.

No, but there was someone named WeWantTheFunk a few threads back encouraging other people to embargo FFG (after admitting that he personally was going to buy all the toys).

and seriously... you guys read where I explained that it's a figure of speech right?

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/throw_one's_toys_out_of_the_pram

You might but others keep trying to misrepresent the argument and that's why it needs to be restated so much.

Baa being a perfect example.

The reality is that you want people to recognise and acknowledge your stance on the subject, which has been done. However, when someone has a differing point of view you're straight back to the front of the line to repeat yourself.

And it doesn't help when people start getting labelled as fanboys, trolls or eatis (whatever that is).

It just gets peoples backs up.

Cheers

Baaa

no ones said they are going to embargo FFG.

Yes there has... Pretty sure it was this thread, where someone wanted to get people to boycott FFG.

You might but others keep trying to misrepresent the argument and that's why it needs to be restated so much.

That's true on both sides, and really what this thread has become is people on both sides launching hyperbolic missiles, and the other throwing up shields of restated points of view.