Being forced to purchase a new core set to continue playing tournament play is totally unfair.

A cynical person might say FFG is happy forcing this change in order to sell more core sets. Include the fact that there have already been a few forced purchase updates like Rebel Aces for AW's or, worst of all, the Raider for TieA's.

I don't care about the new core set, the new T-70 or the new TIE's, and I certainly don't want to be forced to buy them to continue playing a game I have invested significant money into.

I don't believe a company like FFG, with talented game designers, couldn't come up with a way of allowing all players to participate in X-Wing Organized Play instead of excluding those unwilling to buy a new core set.

well there is allot of time between this tournament season's ending and next season... Also you could just buy the new damage deck on Ebay for $10-$15 dollars, just like you can with any upgrade card (got my TIE advanced fix for $10.00 that way, since I am not getting into epic with large ships).

"You can't win. But there are alternatives to fighting." - Obi-Wan Kenobi.

I can totally see that, but I want to spend my money on cool new ships and expansion packs, not a Core Set I already own or on TFA ships I don't want. I'd rather buy an epic looking Hounds Tooth... Is that so bad?

That said, I expect the damage decks from split boxes will have their prices pushed up due a spike in demand from everyone being forced to buy them if they want to continue going to tournies.

Personally, I have no problems at all with having to buy a v2 damage deck, but I do see the big problem in being forced to buy a whole new starter set just to get it. It's also worth noting that this is different from the situation of upgrade cards coming in epic boxes - those upgrades are necessary to play (although they may be highly advantageous), but the v2 damage deck is literally a requirement to compete.

Edit: Oh, and before someone starts whining that I'm just saying the about because I'm too cheap to buy yet another starter, I'll be buying mine when they get into the store later today. (I happen to like the new fighters.) That doesn't stop me from recognising what a massively **** move this is on FFG's behalf.

It's totally unfair that I can't use my old blocks of MTG for tournaments said no player in the past 20 years.

It is worth mentioning I feel that games workshop recently redid an entire game from basically the ground up because players weren't buying models any more as all their armies were complete. Sure they might buy a pack or two here and there, but it was slowly killing sales numbers, among other reasons. If buying a $40 dollar bargain box of goodies that comes with new obstacles to tailor your strategies more is considered to be your buy in for the next three years or so, I'd call that cheap. Sympathetic to your plight but not all to reasonable dude. Change your paradigm on the matter a bit. I hope you'll see that it's a good thing.

Now all that said, you could just use the same reason that I'm going to use for going on hiatus awhile from the games standard format, see that FFG has screwed up for the third time on balance in the last three waves and say that your starting over from the new core set and going forward from there. Just another paradigm.

Damage decks are going to run about $10 on the secondary market. You have three months to save up.

Like any miniature wargame, there are rulebook versions. And like any miniature wargaming company, FFG has the right to repackage that rulebook and charge us.

You should be happy that it will still only cost you $40 USD for 3 ships, dice, a new maneuver set, asteroids, etc etc.

I've used this example before, but Games Workshop and Warhammer pumps out new editions all the time and people don't mind.

I think the main reason we might be uncomfortable with this is because it's the first edition change for X-wing. More will come if X-wing continues to be succesful!

Being forced to purchase a new core set to continue playing tournament play is totally unfair.

A cynical person might say FFG is happy forcing this change in order to sell more core sets. Include the fact that there have already been a few forced purchase updates like Rebel Aces for AW's or, worst of all, the Raider for TieA's.

I don't care about the new core set, the new T-70 or the new TIE's, and I certainly don't want to be forced to buy them to continue playing a game I have invested significant money into.

I don't believe a company like FFG, with talented game designers, couldn't come up with a way of allowing all players to participate in X-Wing Organized Play instead of excluding those unwilling to buy a new core set.

While I can sympathize with your sentimate on the v2 ddeck you are dead wrong on your gripe about the aces or raider. No one forces you to buy it just in order to play. You CAN run those ships without the upgrades you know....they are quite legal that way.

As for needing to but a new core set? We will see what they decide...I am usually behind moves like this as they make good business sense...part of me hopes they will do a one off and sell this deck solo, but another part of me doesn't want them to set a precedent of putting out a card only pack...mostly due to the fact that the "community" will expect them to do it again.

I am torn. I understand your gripe...but chances are you'll just need to suck it up and deal with it...

It's totally unfair that I can't use my old blocks of MTG for tournaments said no player in the past 20 years.

I know several players who said "Screw having to rebuy my card collection every couple of years, I'm playing something else!" if that's close enough for you.

It's totally unfair that I can't use my old blocks of MTG for tournaments said no player in the past 20 years.

Which is why I don't play MTG.

However I would debunk your argument by bringing up one fact. X-wing is not a collectible card game (aka CCG), it is a table top miniatures game that uses cards to track stats (much like Warmachines and Hordes). And it is still true that even with the new "tournament tax" X-wing is still a much cheaper table top miniatures game than other miniatures game like Warhammer.

At least FFG didn't destroy the canon and rebooted the franchise but then again Disney would have taken away their rights if they did. Oh wait ****-it I forgot JJ Abrams is making the new Star Wars and he already dumped the EU canon doh

I'm upset about having to buy ships to play this game in tournaments. I proxy my dog as a Space Marine Titan for my home games, why can't I use my Lego fleet in X-wing?!

Greedy sons of *******.

Damage decks are going to run about $10 on the secondary market. You have three months to save up.

Would those be the ones from the classic X-wing core set?

What a deal!

MM and CSI have the Core Sets for $26.99!!! Even if you pay the flat rate shipping of $5.95, it's still less than $33!!!

If you are a bigtime tournament player, how many tournaments do you play in during the course of a year? How much do you spend on entrance fees? How about food on tournament days? Travel costs? How many hours do you play during all this? $33 is chump change in the grand scheme of things and if this cost is split per hour, its miniscule!

Personally, Im tired of seeing the WHINING about "HAVING" to buy the new Core Set!! If its that big of an issue, stop playing in tournaments and play casually only with what you currently have, no more cash outlay!!! Nothing more to buy, and no more entrance fees, etc!!! Look at all the cash you'd save. And if its really an issue of money, quit playing altogether and SELL all your XWing miniatures and you'll be rolling in dough!!!

Then you can buy a $27 Core Set and start all over with just what you want....

JMHO!!!

If you're not interested in the contents of new core set then just get the deck off ebay or something. I think it's likely that FFG is not able to sell card packs on their own seeing how this is a miniatures game and not a card game. If they could they would've done this long ago with their upgrade cards. The new core set was the best way they could introduce the new dmg deck.

MM and CSI have the Core Sets for $26.99!!! Even if you pay the flat rate shipping of $5.95, it's still less than $33!!!

If you are a bigtime tournament player, how many tournaments do you play in during the course of a year? How much do you spend on entrance fees? How about food on tournament days? Travel costs? How many hours do you play during all this? $33 is chump change in the grand scheme of things and if this cost is split per hour, its miniscule!

Personally, Im tired of seeing the WHINING about "HAVING" to buy the new Core Set!! If its that big of an issue, stop playing in tournaments and play casually only with what you currently have, no more cash outlay!!! Nothing more to buy, and no more entrance fees, etc!!! Look at all the cash you'd save. And if its really an issue of money, quit playing altogether and SELL all your XWing miniatures and you'll be rolling in dough!!!

Then you can buy a $27 Core Set and start all over with just what you want....

JMHO!!!

So. Much. This.

Damage decks are going to run about $10 on the secondary market. You have three months to save up.

This, however, might not be a feasible option for those not in the US. Apart from the set possibly only arriving this week, there's no saying a second hand market will exist for the damage decks.

It's so nice to have the FFG Apologizer Squad popping in all "whining" threads, telling everyone how to feel about the game, how to spend their money, and what kind of games they should take part on.

Look, what people dislike is that the game changes from the previous warm mood of "Buy whatever you like most, and then still you can take part of the nice competitions" towards the much more harsher mood of "Buy what we say, your want it or not, or don't show your face here."

And I am an ex-MTG player, and I am here precisely because how much I hated what MTG had become. I don't care if Games Workshop or Wizards of the Coast go medieval with their players' rears every now and then. And I don't feel glad because FFG is not as bad as those two are. If we keep in that train of thought, we should be glad that the police _only_ beat us with rubber clubs and tasers, because the Gestapo was much worse.

This, however, might not be a feasible option for those not in the US.

It will. I'm going to have 10 damage decks on e-bay by the end of the week in the UK and will post to europe.

It's a handful of cards not a whole damage deck that has been changed.

FFG could do an upgrade kit via POD or include some in the tournament kits.

What will happen is that in the post-world's FAQ those cards will get errata to read like the new versions.

You won't HAVE to buy a new deck, it's just easier if you do.

Well I'm excited abut the new core, new asteroids, and new damage deck, but I agree that people that don't want anything but the damage deck should have an option to order a print on demand set (there's plenty of PoD cards for the star wars RPGs). Requiring the new deck is a good move though, it does a lot to balance ships, and make crits really matter, which makes a number of pilot abilities and upgrades well worth their points.

There are other options available besides buying a new core, or buying a deck on ebay. You can probably find someone in your local player base to trade or buy a deck from, you could find someone has the new core but wants more of the ships and split a core with and just keep the deck (and probably the asteroids, a good bonus), or you could buy a new core and sell everything you don't want on ebay (a lot of Imperial Assault skirmish players did this).

I'm more annoyed its not out yet, other than in Target America

Get off the boat and get in the shop so I can blindly give FFG more of my money!!!

Just buy the deck online or from a local with extra. Less than a fraction of a tank of gas.

I think it's unfair to criticize FFG for this. They are taking steps forward with the game, and the established way of doing that is with new packs. Sure the TIE Advanced fix was with the Raider, but was anyone buying Tie Advanceds to be "competitive" before? I had 2 for no reason. I would take one out when I showed a new player around (playing Wedge with R2-D2 against Vader, just to make it impossible for me to win). They had an opportunity to fix the Advanced, they did. Ditto for the A-wing and the damage deck. This is the modus operandi, and it is unlikely it will change, since it is a successful model.

Now what I don't like is that they stopped including multiples of good cards. Starviper had 2 autothrusters, K-wing had 2 TLTs, Punisher 2 engines. Meanwhile, the core set comes with only one Weapons Guidance, when there are 3 ships that can use it. The expansion packs are also extremely skimpy on upgrades. Perhaps it was hurting sales?

Being forced to purchase a new core set to continue playing tournament play is totally unfair.

The forced awaken?